Ok some of you here have seen the post I have made reference making it after the Southern Indiana tornado of Nov. 6th. I have had all kinds of scum contractors knocking on the door etc.
Repair work is going good but they still show up.
Today I was working in my office at home and Buster the Dog who I got after the tornado just goes nuts. I look out and see a white male walking around the detached garage, knowing that the contractors were not here today I got real pissed fast.
One of my cars was in the drive, the dog is trying like hell to get outside. I see unknown white male step onto the patio like he is going to go into the garage, that was it I stepped out Ar in arms EOTech on full mag. in locked and loaded with three spares.
I told the douch bag to stop in his tracks from about 40 feet and identify himself now.
He starts telling me he from Purdue and doing a survey of the damage to old growth trees in the area from the tornado.
I tell him to produce Id place it on the ground and step back to the back of the patio aboout 30 feet and keep hands where I can see them. I retreive ID  place it on the near by gas grill and dial the c phone to local pd with one hand keeping Ar trained in his direction safety off finger on the  trigger.
I get a dispatcher that know me, and I tell her I have a subject that was in my opinion attempting to enter my garage and I was holding him at gun point, Car dispatched asap.
Officer arrives code 3 screwing up the rock in driveway. Thank god It is another officer I have known for 15 years. I tell him what I have and as he walks up I clear my AR, and pull the 1911 from under my sweatshirt. and lay them on the grill. kepping hands visable.
He retrives dumbasses Id and put him in back of squad car and calls in ID. He finds out that yes they are doing tree survey in the area but they need homeowner permission before entering private property.
He lets dumbass chill in the back of his squad car while we talk, he had never seen a EOTECH before, he made a point to schedule a day to go shoot my AR when the weather gets better.
AS I am picking up the AR and 1911 he gets the dumbass from the back of his car.
This is the best part, He proceeded to give one of the best dressing down of this dumbass I have ever seen. He even told the puke that had I shot him I was protecting my property.
Dumbass was complaining that I pulled a gun on him, he told him just WTF do you expect you came onto his property, without notice  and were going to area you should not be.
It ended up with the officer talking dumbass back to the head of the survey team with instructions to leave his patrol area.

IBTBSFIR......IB the BS flag is raised.


Bet his undies are quite messy!

lol just for that

 I think you did fine.

Dumbass spent a lot of time bitching on how I pulled a gun on him, and pointed a GUN at him.
I would have taken the dog out there but trying to control the dog, not knowing how the dog would react after seeing him with the contractors. To hell with the dog worry about the owner.

IBTJBTB (JBT Bashers)






Oh, wait.

I bet that kid was pissed!

Especially his shorts!

Stupid pointy-head academics...here's a slap of Reality for you.
ETA: The cop's lecture went in one ear and out the other.

do you draw down on  jehovah's witnesses and girl scouts selling cookies as well?

Nice drawdown story.

But I must ask:   Did you really pick a screen name based on something from Disney's "Little Mermaid" movie?

(I know this because I have a 5 year old, of course)

been in a sim. situation, you did good

No thats what the dog is for.
He's large some sort of lab and possible coon hound mix. When is alarmed or pissed the hair on his back stands up like a razorback. It looks pretty cool as there is no question if the dog is pissed.

Quoted: But I must ask:   Did you really pick a screen name based on something from Disney's "Little Mermaid" movie? (I know this because I have a 5 year old, of course)

Hey Gonzo
That nickname was given to me 30years ago in HS and I just keep using it.
Most of the regs. on other forums just cal me snarf

Quoted: He starts telling me he from Purdue and doing a survey of the damage to old growth trees in the area from the tornado.

Hey, i have a wierd question. did he have a little PDA with him?

snarfbatt, you're in a world of hurt. Since Kelo you don't really OWN your property, you're just keeping it up until they want it for a stripmall. So you couldn't be protecting YOUR property. Lawyer up.

Well '5060 I didn't let him reach into his pockets to find out. I am a former LEO so control of such situations goes back to training.
Callgood I already have a good Lawyer. I agree after the SCOTUS or is that SCROUTOM we don't own any more. But in the area I live in it is still considered very bad to violate personal property.

Quoted: Well '5060 I didn't let him reach into his pockets to find out. I am a former LEO so control of such situations goes back to training. Callgood I already have a good Lawyer. I agree after the SCOTUS or is that SCROUTOM we don't own any more. But in the area I live in it is still considered very bad to violate personal property.

nah, its ok, it would have been already in his hand if he had one. Im from purdue and helped develop a information system for that project. I thought it would have been humorus if somthing i created was in your drawdown story. Good story, and i LOVE Indiana firearms laws

P.S. ill have to check and see who it was. I have a sneaking suspision it was someone from the columbus campus.

I'll tag.

Quoted: Nice drawdown story. But I must ask:   Did you really pick a screen name based on something from Disney's "Little Mermaid" movie? (I know this because I have a 5 year old, of course)

Like you should be talking. LOL

Quoted: Hey Gonzo That nickname was given to me 30years ago in HS and I just keep using it. Most of the regs. on other forums just cal me snarf

Ah, gotcha.   I hope you know I called you on it as an "all in good fun thing."

Frankly, I'm annoyed that my Disney consumption has been so high since having a child.   I am, frankly, embarassed to myself know the word "snarfblatt"

x5060 do you think someone will tell everyone that they were a dumbass?
I have had these kind of pukes around before in other places I lived .

x5060 do you think someone will tell everyone that they were a dumbass?
I have had these kind of pukes around before in other places I lived . And they did not follow instructions?
Would that not get them kicked from the grant the are working under?

Gonzo I am snarfbatt not snarfblatt
I think after research that one of the HS buddies had a little brother or sister that watched thundercats and that is where the name came from.

Quoted: Dumbass was complaining that I pulled a gun on him, he told him just WTF do you expect you came onto his property, without notice  and were going to area you should not be. It ended up with the officer talking dumbass back to the head of the survey team with instructions to leave his patrol area.

Disaster or no disaster, in MA, if I did what you did, I'd be the one getting arrested.

I don't necessarily agree on how you drew down on him automatically. I've always been taught never to draw down on someone unless your life is in peril, and by the description of the situation, a nerdy science major with a pen and pad doesn't sound that threatening.

I would have, however, confronted him - obviously. But, going from "hey, there's someone on my property" to "BREATH TOO HARD AND YOU GET A 62GR KNUCKLESANDWICH" is a bit too extreme. I don't know if you were in the clear legally to do so - but I will wouldn't have drawn down unless he presented a clear danger to me or someone else.

Quoted: IBTJBTB (JBT Bashers) Oh, wait. I bet that kid was pissed! Especially his shorts! Stupid pointy-head academics...here's a slap of Reality for you. ETA: The cop's lecture went in one ear and out the other.

We have a saying in MA: "You can always tell a Harvard man, but you can't tell him anything."

We also say: "Dawn breaks over Marblehead". I hope the stupidity of his actions dawned on THAT marblehead....

Dont you think 4 full loaded mags was a bit much, plus your sidearm.

Do you have x-ray vision?
Most dirtball don't walk with their firearm of choice in hand.
To confront someone in what is "bedroom community" is different then a normal area. I work from home and keep inventory in my garage in addition to my home.
The normal perp. will come into this area without the fear of a homeowner. Most of them are from the city 5 miles away and they are armed and Meth. heads.
Did the locals think I was wrong, no.
I will admitt that many of the officers know me and my training, I am still listed as a combat medic for the area.
Would I have popped him if I had reason, my training as a LEO and combat medic says yes.
Would I have really I don't know I have been close but never have had to pull the trigger.

Nice job snarf. Pansey will think twice before he tries to limpwrist someone else to death.

I'm not being a smart-ass; I'm just asking a question.  Is a trespass incident reason enough to draw your weapon?

Quoted: x5060 do you think someone will tell everyone that they were a dumbass? I have had these kind of pukes around before in other places I lived . And they did not follow instructions? Would that not get them kicked from the grant the are working under?

actually, if its who i think it was.... yes.

Dont you think 4 full loaded mags was a bit much, plus your sidearm.

There could have been 5-40 ninjas behind the neighbors fence. you knever know

I bet he won't trespass on your property again.  You did very well.

Quoted: Dont you think 4 full loaded mags was a bit much, plus your sidearm.

Are you for real?  In most situations, more is better.  This is one of them.

Quoted: Dont you think 4 full loaded mags was a bit much, plus your sidearm.

No it is perfectly sane.

I should qualify this by saying the following.
I carry a Sig P220 .45ACP and 2 spare mags and a SA XD 9MM Subcompact with 2 spare mags at all times.
Sometimes I carry a .357mag revolver in an ankle holster as well.

Quoted: do you draw down on  jehovah's witnesses and girl scouts selling cookies as well?

I was wondering the same.  Gun pointed at him, off safety, finger on trigger

Quoted: Quoted: No it is perfectly sane. I should qualify this by saying the following. I carry a Sig P220 .45ACP and 2 spare mags and a SA XD 9MM Subcompact with 2 spare mags at all times. Sometimes I carry a .357mag revolver in an ankle holster as well. How often do you point them at people who have not harmed or threatened to harm you?

Have never pointed any gun at a human,  Have drawn down and killed 2 dogs.

How long from the 911 call to arrival of the deputy?

Quoted: I'm not being a smart-ass; I'm just asking a question.  Is a trespass incident reason enough to draw your weapon?

With the meth heads around here, (IMHO)yup.

I do not think four loaded mag.s was to much.
I spent to much time cruising my ass around in a squad car with a .357 or a .45 with regs saying  we could only carry a only so many rounds.
I went out with what I thought was needed, by the way the dog was acting there could have ben more. A little covered item from this area is that looters have cased the area and they show up with pick ups and cleanout homes and garages. Nobody home no problem.
I went out with the idea that I would confront 4 or more based on the reports from the area.
Were they armed some have been some not, I did not know.
You wish to judge from you secure location , ok flame away I know what has happened here where homes are being rebuilt and the dirtballs show up and steal everything. They have guns the contractors don't

Meth heads the locals bust about over 10 labs a week. We have some of the best haz mat trained people just from experiance

I really think it's questionable whether you were justified in presenting a weapon under the circumstances. You were not in immediate danger. If you suspect foul play, you should have called 911. You could have your weapon at the ready but going out to confront the "bad guy" is a mistake. Now if he forcibly entered your house, I'd say you would be justified in drawing your weapon.  But he was outside, you were inside, and you were not in immediate danger of any kind. If I was the cop, I would have put YOU in the squad car, not the other guy, and I would have booked you, not just let you think about it in the back seat of the patrol car.   I mean no disrespect here, I just think you had a serious lapse in your judgement.

By stating what happened to you here, you've opened yourself up for kudos-and criticism.  

The old saying "walk a mile in my shoes" comes to mind.  Only you knows what happened and your thought process during the situation.  I'd be a little more careful with the trigger finger...but that's just me.  You're the one that has to answer for success or failure in every situation.

Sounds to me like:

You accomplished determining who he really was, and there's one less fella that'll come poking around your place without announcing himself.

HH

Quoted: I really think it's questionable whether you were justified in presenting a weapon under the circumstances. You were not in immediate danger. If you suspect foul play, you should have called 911. You could have your weapon at the ready but going out to confront the "bad guy" is a mistake. Now if he forcibly entered your house, I'd say you would be justified in drawing your weapon.  But he was outside, you were inside, and you were not in immediate danger of any kind. If I was the cop, I would have put YOU in the squad car, not the other guy, and I would have booked you, not just let you think about it in the back seat of the patrol car.   I mean no disrespect here, I just think you had a serious lapse in your judgement.

Wow, that's a pretty good analysis from your vantage point in ARIZONA.

Quoted: I do not think four loaded mag.s was to much. I spent to much time cruising my ass around in a squad car with a .357 or a .45 with regs saying  we could only carry a only so many rounds.

You certainly don't have to explain to us why you carried four mags.  As the old saying goes:  "You can only have too much ammo if you're swimming or on fire."

Quoted: Quoted: Dont you think 4 full loaded mags was a bit much, plus your sidearm. No it is perfectly sane. I should qualify this by saying the following. I carry a Sig P220 .45ACP and 2 spare mags and a SA XD 9MM Subcompact with 2 spare mags at all times. Sometimes I carry a .357mag revolver in an ankle holster as well.

While I would agree that it is better to be prepared than not, I dont think every incident requires going for a full combat load (or just short of).  Especially for one guy with a PDA, no map, and poor judgement.

Quoted: Quoted: I really think it's questionable whether you were justified in presenting a weapon under the circumstances. You were not in immediate danger. If you suspect foul play, you should have called 911. You could have your weapon at the ready but going out to confront the "bad guy" is a mistake. Now if he forcibly entered your house, I'd say you would be justified in drawing your weapon.  But he was outside, you were inside, and you were not in immediate danger of any kind. If I was the cop, I would have put YOU in the squad car, not the other guy, and I would have booked you, not just let you think about it in the back seat of the patrol car.   I mean no disrespect here, I just think you had a serious lapse in your judgement. Wow, that's a pretty good analysis from your vantage point in ARIZONA.

Based on his presentation of the "facts" he had absolutely no justification for escalating the situation.  Don't get me wrong, I have a CCW and advocate APPROPRIATE utilization of deadly force. This situation (as the original poster presented it) just did not warrant the kind of action he took. It was a disproportionate response to a conceived threat.

As I have posted, did I know he had a PDA, no. He had a jacket on. What can you carry under your jacket?
With the incidents in the area so I walk out like a sheeple?

Quoted: I really think it's questionable whether you were justified in presenting a weapon under the circumstances. You were not in immediate danger. If you suspect foul play, you should have called 911. You could have your weapon at the ready but going out to confront the "bad guy" is a mistake. Now if he forcibly entered your house, I'd say you would be justified in drawing your weapon.  But he was outside, you were inside, and you were not in immediate danger of any kind. If I was the cop, I would have put YOU in the squad car, not the other guy, and I would have booked you, not just let you think about it in the back seat of the patrol car.   I mean no disrespect here, I just think you had a serious lapse in your judgement.

Hate to do it, but I must agree.  You took it too far.

In a way, I agree. However, the officer in the story agreed with the homeowner.

Quoted: In a way, I agree. However, the officer in the story agreed with the homeowner.

LEO's, being human, are as culpable as anyone. Does the fact that the officer agreed with the homeowner justify the act? I don't think so. The fact that it's someone he knew for 15 years just makes it smell really bad since that makes the officer just as wrong in my opinion--he was predisposed to take sides whether it was right or wrong. The officer exercised poor judgement and lost his objectivity in the situation. Sorry guys, I have to go against "popular" opinion here which is kinda troubling to me. If the majority of gun owners agree with the home owners action, then we're giving the gun grabbers more ammunition against us.