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Posted: 12/21/2005 8:39:41 PM EDT

I am looking for a battle rifle. I really like the HK g3 and the FN FAL. Which one is the best bang for the buck in accuracy, reliablity, and price? Thanks. What about Garands?

Posted: 12/21/2005 8:40:07 PM EDT

[#1]

A non CAI FN-FAL.

Posted: 12/21/2005 8:41:02 PM EDT

[#2]

Garand.

Posted: 12/21/2005 8:42:53 PM EDT

[#3]

M14, either USGI or LRB.

Posted: 12/21/2005 8:53:52 PM EDT

[#4]

FAL

Posted: 12/21/2005 8:55:36 PM EDT

[#5]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:06:12 PM EDT

[#6]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:07:32 PM EDT

[#7]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

get one.

$400-$500 though the CMP.

All USGI

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:09:52 PM EDT

[#8]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

Good for its day, but I wouldnt take it to a gunfight knowing my enemies had M16s and/or AKs, especially if they greatly outnumbered me. When in that scenario and the shit hits the fan (your hide is comprimised), youll much more appreciate 20 round magazines that are quicker to replace than the 8 round clip in a garand; no matter how much you practice.

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:17:27 PM EDT

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

Good for its day, but I wouldnt take it to a gunfight knowing my enemies had M16s and/or AKs, especially if they greatly outnumbered me. When in that scenario and the shit hits the fan (your hide is comprimised), youll much more appreciate 20 round magazines that are quicker to replace than the 8 round clip in a garand; no matter how much you practice.

Maybe so. But I still woudn't feel undergunned with a Garnd and a bandolier of clips. I would probably reach for my AR first, but the Garand is a very effective weapon.

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:20:57 PM EDT

[#10]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

Good for its day, but I wouldnt take it to a gunfight knowing my enemies had M16s and/or AKs, especially if they greatly outnumbered me. When in that scenario and the shit hits the fan (your hide is comprimised), youll much more appreciate 20 round magazines that are quicker to replace than the 8 round clip in a garand; no matter how much you practice.

Maybe so. But I still woudn't feel undergunned with a Garnd and a bandolier of clips. I would probably reach for my AR first, but the Garand is a very effective weapon.

If I was living off the land in central Montana evading commies from Canada or California, I wouldnt hesitate to leave the AR15 at home. The Garand would be on my back before I could reach out, grab it, and sling it.

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:21:29 PM EDT

[#11]

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A non CAI FN-FAL.

+1
Stay away from CAI

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:24:26 PM EDT

[#12]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

Good for its day, but I wouldnt take it to a gunfight knowing my enemies had M16s and/or AKs, especially if they greatly outnumbered me. When in that scenario and the shit hits the fan (your hide is comprimised), youll much more appreciate 20 round magazines that are quicker to replace than the 8 round clip in a garand; no matter how much you practice.

Maybe so. But I still woudn't feel undergunned with a Garnd and a bandolier of clips. I would probably reach for my AR first, but the Garand is a very effective weapon.

If I was living off the land in central Montana evading commies from Canada or California, I wouldnt hesitate to leave the AR15 at home. The Garand would be on my back before I could reach out, grab it, and sling it.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:28:24 PM EDT

[#13]

Since I don't like to have to deal with regulating the gas system to what ammo I'm shooting.... Gimme the HK.

Woody

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:31:33 PM EDT

[#14]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

Good for its day, but I wouldnt take it to a gunfight knowing my enemies had M16s and/or AKs, especially if they greatly outnumbered me. When in that scenario and the shit hits the fan (your hide is comprimised), youll much more appreciate 20 round magazines that are quicker to replace than the 8 round clip in a garand; no matter how much you practice.

Maybe so. But I still woudn't feel undergunned with a Garnd and a bandolier of clips. I would probably reach for my AR first, but the Garand is a very effective weapon.

If I was living off the land in central Montana evading commies from Canada or California, I wouldnt hesitate to leave the AR15 at home. The Garand would be on my back before I could reach out, grab it, and sling it.

The extra range the 3006 gives you should be nice. Not sure if you can do it with an AR15, but an M1 stock is a formidable North Korean clubbing instrument. Honest

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:32:50 PM EDT

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

What about Fulton Armory?

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:33:13 PM EDT

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

Good for its day, but I wouldnt take it to a gunfight knowing my enemies had M16s and/or AKs, especially if they greatly outnumbered me. When in that scenario and the shit hits the fan (your hide is comprimised), youll much more appreciate 20 round magazines that are quicker to replace than the 8 round clip in a garand; no matter how much you practice.

You haven't shot a Garand much have you?
With some practice you can shot say 80 rounds faster with M1 than you can a M1A

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:53:38 PM EDT

[#17]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

+1
The only way to go

What about a garand?

Good for its day, but I wouldnt take it to a gunfight knowing my enemies had M16s and/or AKs, especially if they greatly outnumbered me. When in that scenario and the shit hits the fan (your hide is comprimised), youll much more appreciate 20 round magazines that are quicker to replace than the 8 round clip in a garand; no matter how much you practice.

You haven't shot a Garand much have you?
With some practice you can shot say 80 rounds faster with M1 than you can a M1A

I'm pretty much a believer on this - the Garand clip loads MUCH faster than any mag-fed rifle. Changing the mag is laborious, and the Garand can be charged from the prone without much motion.

Posted: 12/21/2005 9:56:55 PM EDT

[#18]

If Im not planning on keeping expended magazines I think I would still have the upper hand.

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:04:06 PM EDT

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I prefer the M1A platform, but of your choices, the FAL is the way to go.

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:06:23 PM EDT

[#20]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

What about Fulton Armory?

Fulton's M14 has a Cast Reciever compaired to a Forged Reciever with the LRB

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:08:15 PM EDT

[#21]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

What about Fulton Armory?

I see Fulton Armory on par with SA Inc at best. They started out great, but have become just another commercialized gun company, cuting corners (such as the reciever forging process, Fulton make a cheaper cast reciever like SA Inc.) to make a buck. LRB cuts no corners, LRB truly makes their product of the best quality to the most stringent standards for the shooter, not their own bank account.

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:17:08 PM EDT

[#22]

its funny how these aftermarket "battle rifles" never come w/ a chrome-LINED bbl for the $$$$s they are sold for

nowadays, i cant see any kind of battle/"assault" type rifle w/ out chrome

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:24:10 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
I am looking for a battle rifle. I really like the HK g3 and the FN FAL. Which one is the best bang for the buck in accuracy, reliablity, and price? Thanks. What about Garands?

You talking REAL HKs and FNs or CAIs and DSAs?

For the real deal I prefer HK to FN.

For clones DSA FALs beat the shit out of any HK clone that isn't a custom build.

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:24:57 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
M14, either USGI or LRB.

And good luck with that...

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:28:23 PM EDT

[#25]

M1A

Forget the LRB, unless you have a TON of cash.

The Springfield I have is flawless.

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:28:28 PM EDT

[#26]

Bang for the buck? Garand.

Posted: 12/21/2005 10:29:42 PM EDT

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

What about Fulton Armory?

I see Fulton Armory on par with SA Inc at best. They started out great, but have become just another commercialized gun company, cuting corners (such as the reciever forging process, Fulton make a cheaper cast reciever like SA Inc.) to make a buck. LRB cuts no corners, LRB truly makes their product of the best quality to the most stringent standards for the shooter, not their own bank account.

Fultons bolts disassemble themselves too?

Posted: 12/22/2005 8:58:49 AM EDT

[#28]

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Bang for the buck? Garand.

ok, are they good in a SHTF situation?

Posted: 12/22/2005 9:05:28 AM EDT

[#29]

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M14, either USGI or LRB.

What about Fulton Armory?

Fulton's M14 has a Cast Reciever compaired to a Forged Reciever with the LRB

Hmm... all this time I thought everything in their M14s were "USGI", that's a let down esp considering their prices.

Posted: 12/22/2005 9:28:13 AM EDT

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Bang for the buck? Garand.

ok, are they good in a SHTF situation?

Yeah, you can get 30.06 everywhere and it will kill everything, and it will always go bang.

Posted: 12/22/2005 9:40:08 AM EDT

[#31]

Real Beretta BM62. Pricey but cool.

Posted: 12/22/2005 9:42:46 AM EDT

[#32]

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M1A

Forget the LRB, unless you have a TON of cash.

The Springfield I have is flawless.

+1

Posted: 12/22/2005 9:44:43 AM EDT

[#33]

FAL

Posted: 12/22/2005 9:46:19 AM EDT

[#34]

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Bang for the buck? Garand.

No pistol grip? No thanks!
Always the FAL.

Posted: 12/22/2005 9:46:52 AM EDT

[#35]

FAL

Posted: 12/22/2005 10:15:01 AM EDT

[#36]

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FAL

Only if it says "Herstal" on one side and "308 Match" on the other.

Posted: 12/22/2005 10:20:18 AM EDT

[#37]

Garands are hella cool, I'd advise getting at least one while you can still get them at the relative bargin they are now.

Of the two you listed, I'd go with the FAL first. I hear a lot of complaining about the recoil of the G3. (I've personally never shot one, but I AM picking a JLD PTR-91 up tonight. I'll report what I think later)

My FAL is hands-down one of my favorite rifles.

Posted: 12/22/2005 10:58:16 AM EDT

[#38]

I really like my DSA Fal, however I just picked up a Springfield Armory NM M1A with TWR bolt and HR trigger with a very low round count, it just feals better. I love my Fal and I can rap them out and keep it on paper no problem. If I already had a garand, I would get it squared away with clips/ammo practice and add a Fal for SHTF.

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:22:27 PM EDT

[#39]

What are some reasons people dont like the G3?

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:27:31 PM EDT

[#40]

assuming its not an AR, I would say M1A

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:32:01 PM EDT

[#41]

M1
M14S

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:32:38 PM EDT

[#42]

Garand

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:34:39 PM EDT

[#43]

M14/M1A, buy an older safe queen M1A from someone who has to raise some cash.

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:35:31 PM EDT

[#44]

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What are some reasons people dont like the G3?

Ever operate a jackhammer?

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:35:41 PM EDT

[#45]

GET BOTH! (FAL and Garand that is)

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:37:01 PM EDT

[#46]

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What are some reasons people dont like the G3?

Ever operate a jackhammer?

yea?

Posted: 12/26/2005 3:52:40 PM EDT

[#47]

For 'Perfect world' reasons: AR-10

For what I actually bought: FAL

The AR-10 is, FAPP the perfect .308 rifle. The problem is that they are hella expensive, compared to a partskit FAL... So I have a FAL, and will get the '10 when I get cash...

As for the Garand & M1A, the gooseneck stock is far less comfortable than the more modern pistol grip design, and the reciever-bedded-into-stock thing is more trouble than it's worth when compared to the way things are done now... Finally... WOOD? On a gun... That hasn't been a good idea since 1947...

And I don't know about you, but everywhere I can find 30-06, I can find .308