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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:29:08 PM EDT
[#1]
fucking crybabies
bwaaaa! there's carbon in my gun! waaaa! |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:29:10 PM EDT
[#2]
Until someone designs a rifle that is built right here in the USA, has TONS of aftermarket options, uses standardized parts which can be bought from a large variety of dealers and manufacturers, I will stick with my AR's.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:31:30 PM EDT
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and here we have someone else that has no clue how to maintain an ar15.
i have never had an issue with an AR15 that i didn't cause. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:34:42 PM EDT
[#4]
Selling guns is blasphemy. When better ones come out, just keep buying. I find myself buying guns that I forget about for years.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:35:27 PM EDT
[#5]
Until there's a wholesale change in the way things are done. I can't see a good reason to stop using a tool that works very well. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:38:08 PM EDT
[#6]
DAMN SKIPPY! All of mine seem to work fine. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:42:24 PM EDT
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Go buy a Mini-14!
 Seriously the Keltech SU-16 reviews says its reliable and approaches 1.5 moa out of box. Takes AR mags. Maybe thats what you want. Its cheaper to! To bad they only offer it in those gay stock options. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:42:40 PM EDT
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for a 5.56 gun, i'd really be very interested in a bullpup, because it allows a long enough barrel to reach the bullet velocity required for fragmentation, but a very short overall length due to the compact bullpup design which makes it ideal for CQB.
the FN FS2000 seems like an ideal solution, the only problem is that it looks even more eevvviiiiillll than an AR, and may become a target of the gun grabbers.  pic from wikipedia |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:44:08 PM EDT
[#9]
So, your only bitch is the gas system?? Thats it??
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:46:00 PM EDT
[#10]
I'd be very interested to hear what specific problems you are having with your AR. In what instances has it been insufficient/deficient? Please explain, what purpose is your AR not filling?
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:46:32 PM EDT
[#11]
Buy a M1A.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:49:04 PM EDT
[#12]
Yes, you are. 
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:54:44 PM EDT
[#13]
Yep, I've been anxiously awaiting something more refined also. I'm hoping the FS2000 and the SCAR-H will be available soon. I don't care about "owning a piece of history," I'd rather own a piece of fine engineering.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:58:05 PM EDT
[#14]
+1. I think very highly of my Armalite and have had zero malfunctions, but this weapons platform is 40+ years old. Yes it still works and yes its everything I could ask out of it, but I would also like to buy something new. No, I won't be selling it, I just eagerly anticipate something that isn't a rehashed Kalashnikov, FAL, Garand, or AR.....is that so wrong!?!? |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 3:58:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:01:13 PM EDT
[#16]
By a gas piston upper for your AR. POF makes them. Hell the damned strike is out
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:02:34 PM EDT
[#17]
how is the AR not a piece of fine engineering? granted it was state of the art circa 1965, but it is still one of the best actions ever devised. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:03:02 PM EDT
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Actually. None. It is reliable. I can shoot wolf ammo with it, without many problems. I occasionally have to hammer a stuck wolf case out of the chamber. But this is the exception rather than the rule. I have shot 25,000+ rounds (99% Wolf Ammo) on this upper/lower/bolt carrier combination. (I lost count after 15,000). I have replaced the barrel twice. It was a 20" barreled gun for about 1 month.... I hated it like that. I bought a Colt MPC bolt, but the extractor pin broke, & I replaced it with the extractor pin from my old bushmaster bolt, which had at least 15,000 rounds on it. So. Basically. I want to spend a ton of money on a new weapon, so it can be completely reliable with crap ammo. Yes. I hate scrubbing the thing, so that's why I would like a gas piston set up. Also, I have broken an extractor claw so I would like a more robust extraction system. Don't get me wrong. I take excellent care of my rifle. After shooting sessions, I break it all down, and clean it well. It is reliable and has served me well... because I treat it how it should be treated. But just because what I have right now works well... doesn't mean that something else might be better. I have seen the pics of the Lietner-Wise gas piston conversion's bolt after 5,000 rounds... and I was very impressed. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:04:42 PM EDT
[#19]
Just do like most people do. Get several rifles and/or shotguns, you can't go wrong.
In addition to my 2 AR's, I have an M1A, a 1903. Ruger 10/22, a Savage Mark II .22, Mossberg 590, and a couple others. Can't wait to get my FAL. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:12:07 PM EDT
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Whatever personal chemical powered slug thrower the US military goes to next, I doubt any of us are going to be allowed to have a personally owned one.
I'm not a good enough shot to shoot better than my M-4ish carbine in any practical situation and it seems about as reliable as a mechanical device can be, not that I wouldn't want a plasma gun or whatever, but I'm not exactly past the envelope of the guns I have skill wise. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:13:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:15:32 PM EDT
[#22]
Mine seems fine. By fine I mean so far it has been flawless.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:17:29 PM EDT
[#23]
Have you looked at the AR180?
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:19:13 PM EDT
[#24]
Oh I have piles of guns, but honestly I am beginning to think there comes a point where buying more and more is silly. I wish I had spent some of the money I spent on guns and doo dads on ammo and going to classes instead. I still almost convince myself every week that I need a new "mega blaster 1200" or whatever is popular that week (then the next week it's something else), but if I get out to the range I realize that my Remington 700, M4 and Glocks all exceed my skill level, so what's the point of a US Optics scope, Noveske upper or $ 3000 uber pistol? This place is bad for "gearitis" It's a lot easier to talk and post pictures about the new barrel, scope etc I got then to try to explain about the close quarters shooting class I took earlier this month, but that class (if my lazy ass goes out and practices) is probably more likely to save my fanny then a fancy scope for my Remington will. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:23:23 PM EDT
[#25]
If there's something you don't like about your AR, change it. You won't find a more modular system. 16" light weight barrel, 24" heavy barrel, uppers with or without a forward assist or carry handle, more sighting options than I can keep track of, all sorts of stocks. Surely there's some combination that will suit your purposes.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:25:43 PM EDT
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I think a good minimum arsnenal for one person would be 2 pistols of same make, 2 ARs & 1 Battle Rifle in 308. Just remember for primary SHTF duty guns two is one. All you really need to cover is concealed carry guns and HD/open carry. A pair of pistols and a pair of EBRs are all that you need really. Throw in a 308 for long range/hunting or whatever and 99% of missions are covered. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:27:48 PM EDT
[#27]
I wish there were more foreign offerings available.
If I could buy NIB semi auto Steyr Augs, FNCs, HK-93's, etc... at competitive market prices, I would own exactly 1 AR, just to have it as a piece of history to screw around with. As things stand, I've come to the conclusion the AR is the best semi-auto currently on the American market, so with that restriction, I live with the carbon build up. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:29:24 PM EDT
[#28]
.308>.223/5.56... 
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:29:30 PM EDT
[#29]
+1 We tend to be over-equipped and under-trained. Look at the pounds of crap hanging on lightweight carbines in the typical gun-porn pic. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:32:25 PM EDT
[#30]
I believe that is the case. The AR is the best of what us mere peons can buy, but if laws were different dollars would talk differently... |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:35:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Aren't we supposed to be getting US made SIGs in another year or two? |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:40:05 PM EDT
[#32]
You've got over 25K rounds through your rifle and your only complaint is that it gets dirty and you broke 1 F'ing part??????? REALLY??????
Please go whine somewhere else TROLL 
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:40:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Well, I was going to say as soon as the Shrike ships, but someone in Florida is fondling his tonight lol... |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:41:28 PM EDT
[#34]
An AK wouldn't have broken any parts, and would have only needed to be cleaned a few times, if that... 
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:43:11 PM EDT
[#35]
How much is one if them? |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:47:55 PM EDT
[#36]
Well I have to admit I don't get the "tons o'crap" claims-I have an aimpoint, vertical foregrip and light on my main carbine. I used a regular bushmaster 16" for years and I can get better hits with Crapbine I took my plain jane carbine to a night shoot and tried that thing where you hold a surefire in your left hand-I couldn't hit a damn thing that way, I did better letting my carbine go and shooting with my handgun and surefire.(Crapbine, not bad, eh? )But anyways-I was somewhere shooting and came a cross a pepper popper that was a "shoot" target. It was maybe 50 yards away and I was "surpised" by it. I popped off two or three rounds at it fast and missed, got rattled and missed two more times, I really don't think I need an 18" match grade SPR barrel. 
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:48:31 PM EDT
[#37]
I don't get this shit with how delicate ar's are. I have a few that are quite dirty. One that hasnt been cleaned since I purchased it. I have never had a problem.
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:51:25 PM EDT
[#38]
I'd have all of the ARs I do now, one AUG, one FNC and one SIG 55x. It seems that the folks in the foreign militaries that have a choice, gravitate to the M16/M4. Okay, maybe I'd have a 16 and 20 inch AUG, one in each color maybe, but that's it. Hell I still ain't got 'round to a FAL, AK, or CETME. I guess I ain't lyin' |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:58:00 PM EDT
[#39]
I know what you mean. My RRA M4 has over 4K rounds down the tube and still has to see a cleaning. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 5:01:08 PM EDT
[#40]
I would be first in line to replace my AR with something better. But savvy this, it has been around for 40 years so far and nothing "better" has come along. I am not holding my breath.
There are comparable weapons, there are weapons that are more powerful, and there are AK's which are really in a league of their own. The AR has no equal and no peers. It is the be-all/end all of black rifles. Its modularity, and the enormous amount of support for it have created a situation in which there may never be another rifle that surpasses it in its abilities to be anything it's owner wants it to be. Perhaps it is its perceived flaws that have opened the floodgates for the plethora of improvements that are available for it, perhaps it is its modular design and readily accepts a variety of parts, or a combination of those and other factors, but there is no denying that the AR platform is the rifle that all others are measured by. I only became interested in AR's in the past few months, I am an AK man at heart. Even I have to admit that there are alot of things about the AR that are endearing. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 5:02:45 PM EDT
[#41]
I used to think as you. You don't knwo the power of the dark side... Oh wait. But I once did think as you and bought a M-14SA and though it is a great gun, the modern AR is not bad. You'll need to clean it more often than a FAL or M-14, etc, but don't need to white glove it every shot. Just clean it out after every battle or when your gona shelv it for a bit. Go ask someone who has been in a battle with the gun, which is not I. 
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Posted: 12/21/2005 5:06:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Just using the AUG as an example in the consumer market, you wouldn't need another upper, just another barrel, as the AUG lets you swap between barrels quickly. I'd love that as a standard feature on an AR, rather than owning multiple uppers. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 5:09:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Somewhere on here there's a thread about a change barrel AR. But I just don't understand what's wrong with the AR platform. I carried one in the military for 10 years and never had a problem. There's so much out there that you can put on them or add to them that I can't think of a better platform. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 5:18:16 PM EDT
[#44]
I can swap a barrel in about 20 minutes on a conventional M16/AR15. So what I have to do it in my workshop rather then at the range or in the field. I'm not going to the sandbox anytime soon (as far as I know). |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 5:21:29 PM EDT
[#45]
Say, is that the gun...... |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 5:21:50 PM EDT
[#46]
I notice alot of sentiments on this forum about wanting something "better than an AR".
I think that some of it comes because the AR is so familiar, and has been around for so long, that people get tired of the same old thing, no matter how good it is. Also there is alot of "dreaming" going on about the hard-to-get European rifles that are very expensive and have alot of Star Wars plastic on them. I have had nearly all of the "exotic Euro rifles" over the last 20 years or so, and to tell you the truth, none of them are as good as an AR15(IMHO). It's just "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence" syndrome. Once you own these Euro-rifles, you find out that they are not so great after all. Lusting after them is a lot better than owning them. As for the Aug having swappable barrels, so do several uppers available for the AR15. In fact, there's alot more swappable stuff available for an AR15, than for any other rifle. As for piston operating systems, if you really want one of them, you can choose from several available for the AR15, from several different makers. You can change calibers, change barrels, change magazines, change bolt faces, change stock designs, pistol grips, rail systems. The sky is the limit. The gun will shoot 1/4 MOA with the right setup. It can be had in full auto. It can accept suppressors. It can take grenade launchers. I really can't think of hardly anything an AR15 cannot do. And it is very reliable, and very affordable. I have a hard time understanding all the sentiment here about getting rid of their AR for some lesser gun. |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 6:36:10 PM EDT
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+1 I have had a USR , FNC , 223 and 308 Galil , a valmet 71 and 76, Hk 91, and up to very recently a Beretta AR70 I liked the beretta the best of the bunch None were really any better than a AR ( they just all cost 2-3x as much) had a Costa Mesa AR180 no comparsion to a AR either heck I think a Vepr is as good as any of the above mentioned rifles |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 6:38:23 PM EDT
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I have only had 1 malfunction in my AR ever, and that was because the ammo manufacturer forgot to drill the primer hole
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Posted: 12/21/2005 7:06:58 PM EDT
[#49]
Shotgun bbls seem to be the same way, and still, I have more than one shotgun. I'd own a 16" and 20" AUG. Just because I could. 
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Posted: 12/21/2005 7:11:29 PM EDT
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Those who think the AR is dirty, have never experienced grit via roller delayed blowback (G3, CETME & Clones).
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