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Pfft, a rusty A-4 with malfunctioning Exocets can take that out in one pass! Just kidding.
Looks nice, build it faster so it can sail with the US Navy when we invade commie China. |
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I almost didn't see that boom/hoist piece of equipment. Nice camouflage! It works well in a nautical environment.
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What do the green and yellow lines on the deck layout mean?
I'm guessing black is the cats, and red is the landing path? |
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How do you make something that is almost a quarter mile long have "stealthy" features?
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Andy,
Are ya'll designing any new escort classes to guard her? I don't know if ya'll have anything equivalent to AEGIS, and carrier are tempting targets. |
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On radar it only looks an eighth of a mile long. |
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You have to get closer to "see" it than another ship of similar size. |
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You guys don't need that !
That sure is a pretty ship, glad you're getting them. |
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What on earth will the French do with a ("Surrendeur Class"?) carrier? Launch themselves, clad only in berets & skivvies, lemming-like, off the sides in a futile attempt to evade capture? |
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The picture should have F/A-18Es in it, considering how the JSF program is going.
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When it comes to stealth it's not the size, it's the shape. |
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Don't start that! We have a delegation off to Washington next year to talk turkey. No source code for the FCS and now DoD wants to shut the alternate engine (Rolls Royce) = the F/A-18 could be back in the frame again. At the moment it's a mix of STVOL and CTOL F-35's. ANdt |
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Will the CTOL's launch with the bow ramp, a la Kuznetsov? |
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Why the mix? |
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Probably because the STOVL F-35B is gonna suck big time in performance (payload and range). |
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It's a 'bolt on' ramp quite literally! When the cat's go on the ramp comes off is the plan. ANdy |
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That's what I though, which begs the question of why have them at all over the conventionals. Unless they're thinking about a Falkslands type situation where they then operated Harriers off the island itself. |
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Sell the plans to Al Qaeda and provide engineers to assist in the construction of the HJS Osama and its brothers. |
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Beat me too it. One of the requierement is to be able to carry 2,000lb bombs internally. The STVOL versions bomb bay was shrunk to lose weight and cannot take the 'heavy hitters' now. ANdy |
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The carriers will have a joint RN/RAF air wing with the Royal Navy Pilots being the primary 'Fighter Jocks' and the RAF being the primary 'Bomber Boys'. By using STVOL F-35's they can be flow ashore to provide CAS for expeditionary forces. ANdy |
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Yeah, just like the USMC does. Oh, what..... They never did that. |
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Ah, so it is a Falklands type thing. Okay. Makes sense. |
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You name carriers as badly as we do. They should be the Furious and Courageous! Naming carrirs after battleships pfft!
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Yeah, but they could. Over the Falklands the Harriers short legs meant they had a very limited patrol time over the fleet. So basically they had to hope they met an Argie attack. Once troops were ashore they started refueling Harriers at Port San Carlos, which allowed the Harriers to really protect things. vito, why a joint RAF/RN thing? Why not just RN pilots? What's the theory there? |
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RAF pilots getting carrier qualed? |
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Yes, they could, but that's already been proven impractical; A fully-laden Harrier (even the US version) cannot VTOL. Coming back Winchester and Bingo makes a landing easily on a short runway or parking lot, but getting up ain't so easy. Harriers in both Gulf Wars operated from much greater distances and still didn't forward deploy. At least I can give the Brits credit for trying to prove the concept. Not to mention the obvious performance shortcomings of all current and projected STOVL aircraft. |
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+1 The Royal Navy is back! |
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CTOL: Conventional Take Off and Landing. Catapults and arresting gear. |
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Wow....she's a beaut! So how many carriers does the UK currently have? Will you retire some once those new ones are ready for service?
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It works like this... Why the STVOL F-35s' for the RAF/RN? Well the RAF provides organic CAS to all our ground forces operating in harms way. From the Gulf to Afghanistan, the RAF will send a squadron along to keep the troops company. The RAF has the ability to fully deploy and forward support it's Harriers and the squadrons are self contained for this purpose. All they need is a flat patch of dirt. Why the joint RAF/RAF thing? With both forces using the same planes it made sense to combine the two forces, streamlines training and support. If the Navy are short of pilots it can ask for reinforcements from the RAF. The carriers can 'surge' to carrying 48 F-35's in a shooting war and that excess would be made up from the RAF who have plenty of pilots. ANdy |
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Damn! you`re fast! The theory is basically one training and maintenance pipeline to streamline operations in the "joint" environment and most importntly -save money! |
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We had three tidlers, HMS Invincible has already paid off from service. As each of the new ones enters service the others will pay off. ANdy |
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Carriers....Brits.....Pfffft!!
EVERYONE KNOWS that you should be building BATTLESHIPS!!!!! |
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Maybe we should buy these for LHA(R)s. One of the requirements for LHA(R) is to accept a detachment of 20+ JSFs.
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We were talking about the LHA(R) in work this week. So the Light Fleet Carrier is back? ANdy |
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Just looking at the cost of CVN-21, I'm not sure how we can keep affording the carriers we're building now. With tactical data links being what they are, I'm not sure it isn't wise to have 18 of your carriers vs 11 or 12 of the ones we have built. |
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I wonder what the keel of the first one will ultimately become? I mean, you know it will be cancelled midstream once the F-35 is shitcanned.
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Major export program. Think F-16 on steroids. No way this program is getting cancelled. If they're smart, they'll cancel the STOVL version (big bucks, very limited interest and lackluster performance) and keep moving forward with USAF -A and Navy -C versions. |
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No one has any money to buy any substantial numbers, at that is before the inevitable 300% cost overruns. The only country that could afford to buy them is CHina, and they probably already stole the plans. |
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We're looking at US$3.2 billion a copy, how does that compare with CVN-21? Andy |
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Last rumor I heard it was tipping $10 billion. Hell, our destroyers are $3 billion a copy now. |
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Nevermind, we can buy four of your carriers for the cost of one CVN-21.
www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/06/92m-in-preparations-for-cvn-21-construction/index.php |
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What are the manpower requirements to operate one of the new Royal Navy carriers compared to one of ours? Can we man 4 of the smaller carriers with the crew from one of our carriers? |
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