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Posted: 12/21/2005 6:54:03 AM EDT
So, I was carousing this thread www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=420251 and after hitting the link and reading the article about the creation of synthetic life; I started recalling the first ALIEN film. I had alway been under the impression that when the crew of the Nostromo had set down on LV426, the ship they ran across was transporting thousands of ALIEN eggs to SOMEplace for SOME reason. The "pilot" of the vessel was exposed to one of the eggs in some fashion or another and had set his craft down on LV426 and then broadcast a "warning" signal to keep folks from exploring the derelict craft. He subsequently died, of course.
Got me to thinking....considering the life cycle of the "ALIEN" it always seemed to me that they were a genetically designed, biomechanical, biological warfare device. Essentially, germ warfare...on a really big scale. I can only imagine that one of these days we're going to get a handle on manipulating genetic material and even creating "synthetic" life........ I am a firm believer in taking scientific risks for the advancement of mankind.....but ya gotta wonder what kind of trouble we might get ourselves into one day. I can just see some jackass creating "the Alien" just for the sake of doing it. Honestly, I am one such jackass.....that's why no one should ever let me play with ICBM's. |
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I don't doubt it... |
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I've always wondered how the Alien got inside the pilot to begin with.
In the movie, the pilot is at least 3 or 4 times the size of a human being, yet the face-huggers are just the right size and shape to attach themseves to a human face... not one that's 3-4 times that size. |
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My impression was that the alien ship with the eggs was simply a victim of the alien, not that they were particularly transporting the eggs. Of course, that part was really left open to your imagination.
As far as us creating our own alien.. well... yes, but most likely out "alien" will be microscopic, real germ warefare material which escapes, mutates, and becomes unstopable. Natural diseases tend to not be 100% fatal. Man made ones are designed to be exactly that. |
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Fixed. |
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The genetically engineered lifeform/weapon makes me think of that Dead Kuntz...err...I mean Koontz book about the nasty creature and the Labrador retriever.
And Blade Runner for that matter. |
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this is an interesting point.....maybe there is a REASON they were that size....was there a previous score of victims? enough to cause a Queen to be bred and a hive created? ( or vice versa )...who were the original victims??? maybe it was a coincidence that they were of a size compatible to people..... |
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The legs were long enough to adapt to different size hosts. The egg would probably travel a short ways down the pilot's throat after insertion. Early versions of the script for Alien3 had the face-hugger impregnating an ox instead of the dog. |
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Or maybe a person is about the smallest host they can infect/infest and they have to grow a little to get to a size where they can go for larger hosts. |
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Seize the Night and Fear Nothing ? My lab mix looked just like Orson...and sort acted like that, too....like he was just playing dumb. I miss him. |
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Haven't seen those. I'll look for them. |
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http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2434192005
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fixed. |
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+1 |
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man...Stalin was a goon! |
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The alien in Alien/Aliens was a weapon of war. If I remember correctly, the derelict ship that carried the eggs was transporting them to be used in an ancient war, long long ago. Look at how similar the aliens and their hive was to the space jockey ship. They were created using the same biotechnology I do believe.
I hated that the sequels after Aliens never gave any more insight into the Space Jockey (the pilot of the alien ship) and his race. Life may one day imitate art. On the lighter side of things it would be cool as hell to have an obedient alien pet at your command. Make it sleep on the cieling at night. Just think if any burglars ever broke into your house! The ultimate guard dog! |
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I wouldn't worry about it. A lone woman can beat the Alien so I figure the US Marine Corps armed with varmint rifles shouldn't have any problems.
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Its only a problem if you are in a spaceraft (acid blood eating through the hull). On Earth you can plink at Ailens all day long with your poodleshooter; who cares if caustic circulatory fluid scorches the ground? This leads me to believe that the Alien macrobitioc weapon was designed to be used against a space-faring enemy.
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According to some sources and an interview I saw with some of the gang from James Cameron's group, Cameron and Ridley Scott have discussed doing a film about the derelict vessel and the pilot....or where they came from. Ssssspoooky. Also, according to the same interview, the Derelict WAS carrying the eggs to a destination. That destination, nor any other info was expounded upon...it was purposely left as a mystery. Oddly, I had always thought the the Aliens had overtaken that vessel and that the rest of the "crew" was used to foster the Egg Chamber beneath the ship...I couldn't figure out how there could be SO MANY EGGS!!! It was in the interview ( maybe with Gale Anne Hurd ) that it was explained that the "pilot" was the sole crewmember and that the eggs were in the lower deck of the ship and that they were being "taken" somewhere. |
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Who here WOULDN'T like to see a breed of bioengineered, genetically enhanced, freakishly hideous, super killing machines running around, gobbling up sheeple by the ton.
Or does that just make me wrong? |
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From here And here's a pic of the Jockey from the movie: |
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The derelict on LV-426 is the result of a accident. The Jockey was taking the eggs way out into space to dispose of them to prevent the danger of contamination, when something went wrong.
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The only thing mankind needs to fear is itself, or another alien race.
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Nope EPA, Sierra Club, PETA, and Greenpeace would never go for it... |
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For all of you who think "Alien" was a great work of imagination...many of the visuals and parts of the storyline were stolen STOLEN! from an obscure 1960's Italian/American co-production called "Planet of the Vampires" (AKA "Demon Planet")
link to dvd on Amazon What's it got? Fog-shrouded planet Derelict alien spaceship Dead alien pilot (like the Starpilot pictured above) Landing claw (just like the Nostromo's gear) Its an oldie but goodie...scared the crap out of me when I was a kiddie! |
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Why use the aliens as weapons of war when bacterial agents are more efficient and easier to transport? Even andriods designed for war would to be a better weapons. I would say that the reason the alien ship was transporting the eggs was for the same reason we would, scientific research.
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maybe it was an experimental weapon... More like, "Hey, check out this species we found, let's see if we can load them up in a cargo hold, take them to Planet X, and let them destroy our enemy." I mean think about it, the "Aliens" are like ants. They can fuck up a bunch of shit. You could dump them off on a planet, and they've never really shown the intelligence to use anything to get back off the planet. Just a thought, ~Dg84 |
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The concept of a species developed to fight war (and that theory is spread thickly throughout the Alien mythos, both in the movie Aliens and in the comics offshoots) stems from a liberal reaction to the massive military industry that cropped up during the Cold War and in Vietnam. "what would happen in the future if the military-industrial complex were allowed free reign to do anything they wanted?" Why, they'd create unstoppable, acid-blooded killing machines with pseudo-sexual features, that's what! |
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Biological weapons would be effective, to a degree, until there were countermeasures... An alien species that would prey upon an enemy population would have many effects.... The sheer terror... redirection of military assets... etc etc... |
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If you follow the Alien vs Predator storylines (Not the crappy movie) you see the aliens being used as training for the Predators, and actually taking a large part of their culture. The Yautja go to an unoccupied planet, drop down some eggs, wait a few days, then send down their newest warriors for an initiation hunt.
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Sounds like fun... Wonder what the best mount is for an Alien, a European mount, a nice shoulder mount, maybe with it's head slightly turned. Defiantly would have to have it's second mouth extended. ~Dg84 |
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I actually have an unfinished screenplay for the AvP universe that I think kicks all sorts of ass. I toyed it up when I had a lot influence from shakespeare and traditional drama, so it's an action sci-fi film with a plot and actual characters with motivations. It'll never get made, though. ;\ |
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Everytime I see footage of those Predator UAV's flying around I cant help but think to myself..."Hasn't anyone seen the Terminator movies?" Hmmmm...lets build an unmanned airplane for aerial recon...ok we did it but thats not good enough...now lets teach it to shoot hellfire missiles at ground targets. I'm all for saving soldiers butts (including my own) by sacrificing machines but its just funny how we're following the same path predicted by all these sci-fi movies that have been around for a decade or more. Makes you wonder
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Post it here so we can critique it! |
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I prefer zombies they dont move as fast. |
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Why they had to make stupid ass shitty sequels instead of doing something like what was in the Aliens books by steve perry is beyond me.
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androids would be a great alternative, but two problems would arise. one is a power source. how long can these things last? aliens wouldn't need a power source. all they would need is some form of nourishment. food is much easier to come by then batteries making the aliens slightly superior in this aspect. the second problem is their inability to reproduce. since we're thinking along the lines of the weapon acting independently from the alien race that sent it to battle, a damaged android can't be repaired or replaced. |
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Why the hell two such great works of art were allowed to be ruined by the subsequent filth that followed will always be one of my "Whyyyyy, GOD??? WHYYYYYYY????" questions. There is so much great stuff that could have been done......but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....... I do hope Cameron and Scott could team up with some really good Sci-fi advisors and create something that could make us forget about the the shitty sequels. There was a LOT of potential with the Alien stuff......but as usual...mediocrity killed it all. |
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Scanners is a good movie that uses androids as warriors. But ultimately the best weapon would be nuclear. why bother with aliens when you could just nuke the planet from orbit? |
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The Alien's "Earth Hive" series of books was about that. A General tried to condition them to serve him as an army... Even had them firing simple weapons.. Pretty Good Read. |
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In the comics and Books they are a natural creature on a violent planet, there are even predators that hunt them and vice versa... Pretty neat stuff. |
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So the planet is usable afterward...? Dump in a short-lived predator (or one containing a biological "kill switch"), wait for it to kill everybody, then move in. |
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