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Posted: 12/20/2005 2:03:37 PM EDT
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They were also testing a 4wd vehicle smaller than a Humvee that looked remarkably similar to what the Colonial Marine Corps soldiers used in the movie Aliens. I don't know what became of that. The design influence could be seen. I wonder if that one could fit inside an Osprey...
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It's a .pdf. Do you have adobe acrobat installed? It looks like a spruced up M151. |
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basic;y the hummer dosn't fit in a v22 and they want saometing that does
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Bingo! |
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They are being made in Ocala, FL at a place called American Growler. I went up there with a company owned M2HB to try out the collapsable pintle mount for the M2. The vehicle is fabricated from the ground up using tubing and sheet metal. The engine is a diesel.
It has to roll out of an Osprey and be ready to go guns up in less than 90 sec. It is a really nice 4x4. I asked if they would be civilian available. The owner said after the Corps gets their quota, they would offer them up for sale. I really liked the 4 wheel steering upon demand ability. You can lock out the 4 wheel steering if needed. |
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I heard from some guys testing it that it's the biggest piece of crap they've ever had. Said it was the only vehicle they've gotten at the test center that was un-testable when they recieved it. Put a ton of hours into it just making it driveable. So... It's not looking too good for this prototype. Not anytime soon anyway.
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Just bring back the M151. That thing was a workhorse and a helluva lot cheaper I bet. |
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A prototype is always just that. It leaves room for suggestions for improvement.
Sounds odd that it wasn't even drivable. The 4 I saw when I was there were pretty nice. We drove them pretty hard. |
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They just had a small mention of it in this months Maxim(the one with Haily Duff on the cover) and yes, it will fit inside an osprey. |
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Same thing with the Hummer when we first had them for testing, rollovers were frequent and they were truly a prototype vehicle. |
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After three guys get killed by an IED people will scream for that thing to be up armored and it will be lost from it's original purpose.
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Kharn ETA: Oops, quoted the wrong guy |
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Yup. |
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Who's making it? Unless it's made by an English company other than Land Rover, it would have to be pretty hard to screw up a design as simple as this, IMO. I wonder if they're trying to skimp weight with alloy parts where ever possible, including engine parts?????? If so, that might be a problem area.
Slap a Toyota 4cyl in there for weight & reliability & a decent drive train & you should be good to go, IMO. These things aren't meant for patrols in Indian territory, they're for running fuel, water & wounded from one side of a perimeter to another in a quick manner. Armor will come later, with the support troops. Even a small turbo-diesel by Isuzu would be a good fit. Weight would probably rule that option out even if it makes it semi-waterproof w/o a distributor cap. Everything's a trade-off, IMO. Time will tell, I hope we don't get screwed too badly, nor the Marines who use them. |
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Looks like someone stripped a Jeep, and stretched it to fit a small flat bed.
Almost a 4 door S10 based on a Jeep. I want one. |
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Too low to the ground. This turd will get high centered on a beer can. I hope that picture is a non functioning prototype that hasn't gotten its drivetrain finalized yet.
ETA the Jeep Gladiator is close to what that thing is supposed to be anyway. |
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The Humvee is great but you can't fit one in the back of a shitter (CH-53). This is actually a good idea as it is faster to drive up the ramp and secure with tie downs then to hover over and grab as an external load.
I want to see three of these pooped out the back of an CH-53 and have the chute expand as it falls away.... |
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Yep, to low, looks like little articulation, front bumper to low and will cause grounding, breakover looks crappy. Hell, my slightly modded Durango would probably kick it's ass easily. And if my eyes don't deceive me, ground clearance at front axle looks pathetic.
And after seeing how hummers ran in the sand at silver lake, I rate them as quite the pathetic POS, especially for what they cost. And those had the uprated turbo engine, not the sad sack the mil is stuck with. They do however, have great ground clearance and seem reasonably durable. |
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It's made by American Growler (formerly Carolina Growler). They bought a bunch of surplus and demilled M151s and were making street legal kit cars for export and off road for a while.
That would be the irony of ironies if the USMC was buying resurrected MUTTs with fancy tubing and goodies on them. http://www.americangrowler.com/ |
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Mercedes G-Wagon. It fits inside the osprey. It was originally designed for the Shah of Iran. He needed a desert capable fast attack vehicle. I believe they were used in limited numbers in Afghanistan.
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If that isn't a modified M151, I'll kiss your ass in Macy's window.
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Toyota FJ-40 and FJ-45 PU. I guarantee it'd kick this little s--tbox all the way to the dumpster. Update it a bit, put air/elec lockers in the axles, PS, and you'd be all set. Dump the Birfields or beef em up a little bit also.
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we do have mercedes G-Wagons, and no they will not fit in the osprey. they were purchased because they will fit inside a shitter (CH-53e) but at quantico i pulled one up to a plywood scale osprey and it DOES NOT fit. the plywood osprey is built to scale and used to train for loading and unloading.
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Pucker up buttercup! I've seen them fabricated from the ground up. |
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If what 50cal said is true about civvy use after the Corps get those, I'll take one please!
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O.K., but if I'm going to have to kiss someones ass in public, you don't have to pile it on by calling me "buttercup" |
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Betcha didn'y know there was an M151 Patrol/FAV variant:
M151-A2 Combat Attack Vehicle So they say:
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Driven by military drivers with no experience in sand? No airing down of tires either, I bet? If so, then nothing would've skimmed thru sand weighing as much as a Hummer. They won't go everywhere when driven by a novice/idiot. |
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From mountain bikes to Humvees and everything in between. I wonder how much it is costing the .gov to re-invent the Jeep. Our taxes at work. |
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