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Posted: 8/3/2001 6:54:54 PM EDT
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benelli m1 super 90. kinda pricey, but their motto is preformance worth the price, and it is i can tell you. its great. more reliable than 870 (seriously) and its lighter and faster. its great for all loads. even heavy waterfowl loads. i use mine in trap compition so its great with clay pigeons. i also use it for every day hunting. i used an 870 for years (my first shotgun) and it will work, but i can tell you the benelli isnt even in the same ballpark. a new one is about $950 and used a few hunderd cheaper. once you shoot one you will want one, and once you have one you wont give it up. put in the extra cash for a gun that will serve you greatly for a really long time.
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Posted: 8/3/2001 7:00:44 PM EDT
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Remington 870, king of the pump 12 ga.
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Posted: 8/3/2001 7:01:04 PM EDT
[#3]
Save your money by buying a Winchester 1300 Ranger with interchangeable choke tubes. They are available at Kmart and Wal-Mart for cheap, $250.
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Posted: 8/3/2001 7:28:06 PM EDT
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What you WANT is a [b]Mossberg[/b]500A(pump). Its the BEST shotgun for the price.
If you want to spend a little more(and some people need to spend more money than necessary) then a nice Rem 870(pump). [b]NO ONE[/b]needs a $900 shotgun!!!!!! I have bagged more ducks with my $169. Mossy than others with their over priced Benellis. [b]"more reliable than 870 (seriously) "[/b] EXACTLY what do you mean by this??? My Rem 870 has ALWAYS shot every time I have used it. I have NEVER had a problem with it EVER!!! BISHOP |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:04:45 PM EDT
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For a pump, a Remington 870.
For a auto, Remington 11-87. [img]www.remington.com/images/firearms/1187PLC.JPG[/img] Both models have tons of after-market goodies,are well made, and affordable. Standard issue for most Law enforcement agencies. Most choose a 28" barrel, but it's really just a personal issue. A longer 30" barrel might have a slight edge in velocity and the benefits of a longer sighting plane, but is heavier and cumbersome. |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:09:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Remington 870, king of the pump 12 ga. sgb Can't go wrong with the 870. |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:15:01 PM EDT
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Rem 870P w/ 18 inch bbl, rifle sights! When I lived in Canada, shot many Canada Geese every autumn with this gun. Vancouver police contract overun.
Now at work, see many 870Ps with rem folder too. Go for the 870! You will not be disappointed. |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:19:42 PM EDT
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Hard to beat the good ole Rem 870 for a pump. For an auto Rem 1100 or 11-87 will be good choices too. My 870 Express cost $209 and the 1100 cost $328 so it won't break your bank account.
I have a 870 and 1100 both with 28" barrels but anything between 25"-30" would work well. I personally like 28" barrels on mine. My father has an old Winchester SuperX Model-1 with 25" barrel and it feels good too. I like the utilitian look of matte finish. |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:25:20 PM EDT
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Mossy 590. What other shotgun comes standard with a bayonet lug?
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:27:16 PM EDT
[#10]
[b][green][i]Remington 870 Express Super Magnum Synthetic[/i][/green][/b]
And accessorize it to your liking. Excellent choice for all the right reasons. Have fun shopping. |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:30:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: [b]NO ONE[/b]needs a $900 shotgun!!!!!! I have bagged more ducks with my $169. Mossy than others with their over priced Benellis. [b]"more reliable than 870 (seriously) "[/b] EXACTLY what do you mean by this??? My Rem 870 has ALWAYS shot every time I have used it. I have NEVER had a problem with it EVER!!! BISHOP i used to think all that too. and as far as "I have bagged more ducks with my $169. Mossy than others with their over priced Benellis." thats a matter of skill and no shotgun makes up for that, but the reliablity, i have seen 870s jam. i know its rare, but i have seen it happen. its happened to me, it someimes chokes on some cheap light target loads. thier not the highest quality, but my benelli eats um like no other. mine have never jammed, on any round ever. my frined has 2, and has been unable to jam um. those 2 guns used to shoot up to 500 rds a week each , one of um still does. even shooting 500 rds a week, they NEVER clean um ( crazy i know) but it dont matter, they get a breakdown clean once a year, after many thousand rounds. its unbelivable to think how much those guns shoot and shoot. i didnt belive it till i bought one. i decided if i was gonna blow close to a grand on a gun it would be the one i shoot most. and me and benelli just last week took the area trap championship. my team beat corprate sponcered teams. i dodnt think i needed a 900 $ shotgun, till my friend loaned me one of his for a few rounds. then the decesion wasnt hard at all. the benelli costs what 4 or 5 870s cost, but i havent regreted it for a second. i still love my remington, but i find i like it better with a 10 rd mag. |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:34:46 PM EDT
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i will ad, if your looking for affordable the benelli isnt for you. but if your talking about any type of organized clay shooting ( trap, skeet, or sporting) i would put in the extra $$. especially if your shooting in a league or you want to compete someday
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:38:53 PM EDT
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I've had my 870 21 yrs, used it for everything from dove, ducks, geese, deer to the front seat of a squad car. It's digested lowbrass, highbrass, slugs, buckshot and some shitty reloads with never, I repeat, [b]NEVER[/b] a single malfunction.
[i]"If your not part of the Solution, your part of the problem"[/i] sgb |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 8:58:24 PM EDT
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I can recommend the Remington 870 pump 12 gauge from personal experience. The best.
But I hear very good things about the Benelli Nova 12 gauge pump. Around $350.00-$400.00 in the real world. Over $500.00 in CA for some unknown reason. A good all purpose barrel length for a sporting shotgun is 28", at least that's what I prefer. But you're going to have to make that decision on your own. |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 9:39:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Mossy 590. What other shotgun comes standard with a bayonet lug? ROTFLMAO!!!! WTF are you gonna do with a bayonet - jump up in the air and STAB the clay pigeons??? Ducks?? |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 9:41:35 PM EDT
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ive got a benelli super black eagle. it'll shoot any shell out there, from low-brass 2 3/4 to 3 1/2 mags. you can get five shots off before the first shell hits the ground (not that you need to). mines a 28" barrel. i love it and will never need another shotty, although i've always wanted a fancy over-and-under for skeet. if you can fit the bill, its worth it. i'd have to say it is the best hunting shotty out there. i like the black finish, but they've got some cool camo patterns now.
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Posted: 8/3/2001 9:47:37 PM EDT
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Go with the 12 gauge for sure.
Ballistics will show that with today's powder and wads you don't gain much velocity past 26 inches. I have shotguns with 22 to 30 inch barrels and I think the 26 inch with screw in chokes (a definite must have feature) is the best for all around shooting. Finish is up to you. You can temporarily camouflage your gun as needed for hunting without looking like a nut at the sporting clays range. I don't like pumps, but that is a personal preference. I have seen pump guns at the sporting clays range all over a guy with an auto that can't hit a thing. You might look at the Browning Gold 12 gauge. It is lighter than the Remington 11/87, comes with a better recoil pad. I have given up shooting all of my Remingtons since I got it. Here is a link [url]www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/gold/gold.htm[/url] [size=6]B[/size=6] |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 9:57:51 PM EDT
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Although I have owned the Mossberg 590, a Beretta Silver Mallard, Browning Citori, the Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag, Rem 11-87 SP and even a cheap Maverick Arms riot gun I can say without hesitation that none of these weapons has lived up to the standards set forth by my venerable old 870 Magnum Wingmaster, well maybe the Citori but that is a different ballgame.
I got this weapon 23 years ago and although I have shot trailer truck loads of every imaginable type of ammo thru it it has never ever malfunctioned. I have the 30' full and 28' mod so it is my hunting shotgun. Also have owned several different 870 express magnums and a current HD model magnum that is as reliable as its predecessors. You can not go wrong with an older 870, the Police Magnum or the Home Defense 870 express. |
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Posted: 8/3/2001 10:12:48 PM EDT
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what xkill said at teh end, if you do go pump, an older 870. one with the nice polished finish. i find they are a bit smoother. and as far as the benelli NOVA goes. its lite, fast, and feature packed, but somting about it just rubs me wrong, and its pug fugly, i think
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Posted: 8/3/2001 10:59:10 PM EDT
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I have an old 870 Wingmaster (late `60's or early `70's) and it is one of my most prized possesions! I looked at a brand new Wingmaster a few years ago and it was just as nice, although it seemed like the action was a little stiffer - probably because it was new and mine has thousands of rounds through it (trouble free I might add). You can still buy a new Rem with a nice blued finish, but you have to get a Wingmaster and they cost about double the price of an Express. I also have an Express HD and love it. Its action smoothed up after a hundred or so break in rounds. It's my home's first line of defense!
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Posted: 8/4/2001 2:50:21 AM EDT
[#21]
What's your budget?
If you got the $$$$, get the Benelli. Get your semi-auto shotgun weapons of mass destruction while you can! |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 4:43:30 AM EDT
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From personal experience, I'd have to go with Bishop and say the Moss 500A. I had one of these in a 20" barrel that had been tricked out with pistol grip, folding stock, and all your standard tactical accessories and still only paid $250 for it. Wish I hadn't sold it, but I needed the money. I tried to buy it back from the guy a month or two ago, and found out that he'd sold it back to the shop that I bought it from a week prior for $125. Hell, that was half of what I paid for it and I was the one who put the sidesaddle on it.
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Posted: 8/4/2001 5:16:02 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: Quoted: Mossy 590. What other shotgun comes standard with a bayonet lug? ROTFLMAO!!!! WTF are you gonna do with a bayonet - jump up in the air and STAB the clay pigeons??? Ducks?? |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 5:32:52 AM EDT
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[GREEN][size=5]REMINGTON 870[/SIZE=5][/GREEN]
My 870 does it all, clay birds, deer hunting, defence... [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/028/Vi/Oh/by/9B17964.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 5:44:42 AM EDT
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I personally have a pump Rem 870 with 26" & 18" BBLs, and a semi-auto Rem 11/87 with 28" & 20" BBLs. There are extended magazine tubes(10 & 8 shot) available for both guns and barrel lenghts for serious social work, but the extended mag tubes cause the guns to be quite a bit heavier, making handling a bit tougher. I have shot a Benelli, it works a smoother than the Remingtons, but at close to $1,000(yikes!) a copy, it is a bit more expensive than the Remingtons.
Mossbergs pumps are okay, but the only thing I don't like is the plastic ambi-dex safety switch on the top of the receiver. My buddy broke his accidently a few years ago and it pretty much disable his gun until he could jerry-rig something so that it would function. I understand there is an aftermarket metal replacement available. |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 8:08:22 AM EDT
[#26]
If you plan on shooting the clays more than hunting personally I would pass on the Benelli.
Benelli's are recoil operated and the ones I've shot were punishing. I would not want to shoot a 100 bird event with a Benelli. Beretta 390 or 391 is a true gas operated semi-auto that offers recoil dampening due to the action. They will shoot 3" for ducks and see much use on the clay fields, both trap and sporting clays. The 870 and 11-87 are tremendous values but be sure to keep a spare parts kit. There is an ad in Shotgun Sports for these kits. |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 8:16:10 AM EDT
[#27]
An over/under is hard to beat in my book for clays. The "feel" is so right.
Also for defense work....Moss. 590 is alright! |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 9:18:43 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: Benelli's are recoil operated and the ones I've shot were punishing. I would not want to shoot a 100 bird event with a Benelli. ?!?!?! maybe more "punishing" than a 391, but not more so than any pump or break gun. and i have NO problem shooting a 200 bird event with the benelli. compaired to my 870 i used to shoot, the recoil is nothing |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 9:24:19 AM EDT
[#29]
Benneli's absolutely rule. The semi automatic action is the best out there. Benneli is the benchmark for semi auto shotguns. Up to 5 rnds per second! If you can pull the trigger that fast it will go!!
[beer] |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 10:22:18 AM EDT
[#30]
Here is mine:
[url]http://www.winchester-guns.com/prodinfo/catalog/superx2/superx2.htm[/url] Never a hiccup, never a problem. always ready for action. I use her for geese, crow, pheasant, tagets, and sometimes rabbit. -bricklayer |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 10:34:28 AM EDT
[#31]
Pre 81 Ithaca 37
No disconector 18" PS barrel 28" with tubes |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 10:38:39 AM EDT
[#32]
[b]
Quoted: Quoted: Benelli's are recoil operated and the ones I've shot were punishing. I would not want to shoot a 100 bird event with a Benelli. ?!?!?! maybe more "punishing" than a 391, but not more so than any pump or break gun. and i have NO problem shooting a 200 bird event with the benelli. compaired to my 870 i used to shoot, the recoil is nothing My trap gun is a BT100 Stainless with 3" forcing cones and soft top that has been fitted to me. From the back fence and for "Games" I'll occasionally use 1-1/4oz 1300 fps loads that are very comfortable in my gun. I would not say that I am recoil sensitive but IMHO the Benneli SBE that I shot kicked like a mule with 1-1/8 oz 1200fps trap loads.Part of it was fit I'm sure. Just relating my experience. YMMV |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 2:37:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: "Games" you shoot for money on occasion?? |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 2:45:49 PM EDT
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Cheap n cheerful: Mossberg 500A. It works forever, racks and points well, and you can get a million aftermarket parts for it. Only caveats: that d*mn plastic trigger group/guard assembly, not because it doesn't work but just because it's plastic. Add the safety to the list of plastic stuff that I'd like to have replaced but won't 'cuz I'm cheap. If you spend the difference between a 500a and a more expensive gun on an assortment of barrels and accessories and you can have a tactical/slug/waterfowler/muzzzleloader for about the same price. It's the proverbial 'If I only had one gun' gun.
But, if you're doing much shotgun shooting, semis are really the way to go. Less recoil plus much faster follow up shots for the doubles. Benelli is highly recommended by the clay guys I know. |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 2:58:28 PM EDT
[#35]
Pre 81 Ithaca 37 No disconector That's incorrect, the Ithaca was manufactured without a disconnector until 1987 when Ithaca reorganized and dubbed the Model 37 as the Model 87. I've had about four or five Model 37s manufactured in the 1984-1986 period, and I currently have a Model 37 Ultra Featherlight 12 gauge with a January 1986 ship date on its box and absolutely NONE of them have had a disconnector. |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 3:07:12 PM EDT
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[b]
Quoted: Quoted: "Games" you shoot for money on occasion?? Yes, I do now at least once a week. I'm just getting started in highpower, first question I asked was "any money in this?" Trap isn't too shabby for purses or game pots and around these parts you can shoot for cash every day of the week during the summer. 4 to 5 nights a week during the winter if you don't mind driving a bit. |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 3:14:59 PM EDT
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Big 5 Sporting Goods (a PRK chain) has Mossberg 500A Combos on sale for $219 every 3rd or 4th week. You get the 5-shot 500A pump with both an 18.5" plain barrel and a 26" vent-rib barrel. It has black synthetic furniture. It's a hard deal to beat.
-Troy |
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Posted: 8/4/2001 3:19:54 PM EDT
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Benelli recoil == no problem
Me and my cousin shoot two cases of clays(90x2) each time. And sometimes I would fire two shots at one clay. So I probably fired about 150 birdshots that day. That's usually over a three hour period. Red shoulder == no problem! Anyone have a Benelli Executive 12-gauge? That's what I want neXt. |
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