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Posted: 12/16/2005 1:11:56 PM EDT
While I think smoking is bad. Duh! And people should just be responsible enought to watch were they do smoke.
This kind of thing has SERIOUS implications to other aspects of life. LIKE our 2nd Amendment and our basic Freedom. Do it, do it for the children... washingtontimes.com/metro/20051215-112826-9119r.htm
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A gun in a room with a kid MIGHT be dangerous, An adult smoking in a room with a kid IS killing that child slowly. It's a tad different.
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So you are willing to trade "safety" for some of your liberties? Like I said, I don't like smoking and people should be responsible with it, but telling people what and what they can not do to this level is pretty low. Next thing you know, they'll tell you, that you can't hunt, because your bullets are dangerous. |
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they're all tough until a pissed off smoker puts a cigarette out in their eye
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Depends on who you ask. If you're asking one of the "13 children are killed with a firearm every day in America", then it is no different at all. |
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Guess who is suing, though. That's right, the ACLU. The "Native Americans" are pissed because they can't spark up a bowl in buildings during religous parties/ceremonies. After they win, go ahead and tell the smoking Nazi you are enjoying a brief period of worship. After all, Scuslims get 15 minutes at a pop to stick their asses in the air.
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So who here supports subjecting kids to second hand smoke?
Who here supports women smoking while pregnant? |
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True, but they will argue that if the child gets ahold of that gun...the gun will kill the child much faster than would a cigarete. |
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ummm no unlikely. i am betting the average child comes into contact with more toxic substances in the air walking in most lasrge cities than will be encounterd in their home with a smoker. 2nd hand smoke is a very small issue considering what else is floating around the air. i frankly don't care if they try to ban it in homes or not. It will not affect me as i don't smoke anymore and the wife won't let it in the house anyway. wait until the ban gun ranges, you those nasty guns put out alot of smoke too. |
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Dusty, Not to poke the hornet's nest, but tell me, What do you think? Would you call for beheading anyone stupid enough to expose their family to the possibility of contracting any of a number of blood borne pathogens. You know the kind you can get from getting tattoos and body piercing. |
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If it's not My wife or My kid it's not my fucking business,and it's not the governments either. |
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Me thinks not. The 10 hour BBP class each year is plenty. |
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Me thinks not. The 10 hour BBP class each year is plenty. Wow, thats a lot Ok Mr Genius, how many people get nasty infections every year from tats or piercings? |
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I have to agree. |
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47% of all statistics are made up. 63% of all American's know that. |
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I have no idea. Evidently "Dial Soap" works better than I thought. (Note to self: Notify the CDC re. Dial Soap) Dusty, I'm not attacking tats or body piercing. Only the hypocrisy of your post. |
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I don't like smoking and enjoy going to smoke-free restaurants and bars, however that study that declared "second hand smoke kills" was struck down in court. The new numbers of "projected" death-by-second-hand-smoke was based off the same study. |
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Sometimes, I smoke inside so i can inhale the smoke i just exhaled.
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Let me tell you something: Until the age of ten, I lived with two parents who smoked up to three packs a day. They quit about that time. I HATED their smoking every stinking second of every stinking day and I hate smoking with an utter passion to this day. And if I were to discover that I had a "problem"
that was found to have been related to ingestion of secondhand smoke as a child due to my parents, you can damned well bet that I'd become angry at them for being so STUPID (I mean, what's more stupid than inhaling the toxic gaseous combustion output of a FIRE...that is, SMOKE?) and doing harm to me when even back then my common sense told me that this was a bad thing they were doing. And I let them know it, too. I told them I hated it many times and asked them to quit many times. If I were to discover that, I'd throw myself in with any group that would want to totally ban smoking around children, even in your own house. Smoking is simply a filthy, dirty, disgusting habit that nobody should do. Sir Walter Raleigh really should have been executed...burned at the stake in a fire built of tobacco leaves, to be exact. Kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray. Ick. Of course, you smokers will now go ballistic and scream about your RIGHT to smoke whatever cigarette you want whenever you want, and I don't argue with that. I don't argue with your right to do something REALLY stupid, but only to do it to YOURSELF. If your actions harm others, you deserve to be punished for it, period, end of statement. CJ |
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America? Your nanny called and they have some new rules for you...
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LOL, The government has done such a wonderful job of keeping maryjauna out of the home.
That's alright CM, they'll be banning alcohol next and you can jump on that ban wagon too. All I can say to you guys is those who want to ban are the same people who want to ban your guns. Excuse me if I don't care to support them in their successes in banning. You see that's what its all about. It's about feedom and taking it away. Tj |
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+1 I think it's perfectly fine to screen foster parents based on the environment they create for the children they foster. Smoking in the house affects that environment. |
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Smoking is one of those things we call character indicators. People give me shit about my ink and metal but they don't hurt anyone, except me for a few seconds. 2 weeks, to a month afterwards they are cleared up and no biggie. People wanna judge me for that, fine. You smoke, knowing all that it's doing to you your an idiot. You smoke knowing what it's doing to people around you and take the attitude "I don't care" then your just an inconsiderate ass. All that being said I don't support a legal ban on it.
If you do smoke around your kids, yeah you deserve to be punished. But more law is NOT what this country needs. Like I said, responsible mature people don't need a law to tell them what to do, irresponsible immature people will ignore any law they want to. |
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So, in the future world its totally OK for a homosexual couple to adopt but not a guy who enjoys an occasional cigar. Alrighty then! Nice world you guys are making. Tj |
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Maine, Oklahoma and Vermont, Virginia and Maryland - NO CALIFORNIA WTF?
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Can we rush any faster to give our GD rights away? Particularly those based solely on junk science. I hate smoke too, but let's be honest, there is no proof that SHS is a health risk to anyone other than a rare few.
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I say, smoke all you want, if those around you are (A) adults of legal age and (B) willing to let you do it.
But smoking around kids? Your own, maybe? If that's really found to be harmful to them, you're a colossal idiot and asshole for smoking around them. And if it IS found to really be harmful to them, it should not be allowed by law. I'm not saying that you should be banned from smoking. I'm saying you should be prohibited from smoking if by doing so it will do harm to children. Banning it would create a prohibition-type scenario. That never works. It didn't work for alcohol and it won't work for anything else. I don't support such an action. I just wish people were smart enough to lay off that disgusting stuff on their own. CJ |
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So who here supports innocent victims of gun violence?... what's your point? |
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I have said it before...many on here think the only rights we should be concerned about are 2A rights, and they will side with any degenerate who happens to like black guns as well. *sighs* For you smoking Nazis...you want the Feds to regulate the calorie intake of kids? Seems to me a lot of fat ass kids waddling around... |
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Unles a private developer wants your home, then it won't be your home anymore... |
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Very slippery slope. As a whole, smokers are self-centered, self-loathing people who do not have a great deal of respect for others. Case in point: Throwing cigarette butts out of their car window, or smoking at the front door of a non-smoking building so that everyone entering or leaving the building has to smell their addiction. I know there are a few exceptions to this rule, but in general it is accurate. However, banning smoking does wreak of infringing on personal liberties. As I have said before, smoking sections in restaraunts should be enclosed rooms so that smokers can enjoy their addiction without having to worry about losing the aroma to the non-smoking section, and we, as non-smokers, can eat in the non-smoking section without smelling that stank. Smokers should also keep their car windows rolled up and butts in the car, and be ticketed for littering when disposing of their butts irresponsibly. IMO
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Let me repeat TJ again... All I can say to you guys is those who want to ban are the same people who want to ban your guns. It's about feedom and taking it away. I am always surprized at how many people are willing to MAKE people give up their Freedom, because they THINK something is bad. FOR THE RECORD...I HATE SMOKING....BUT I am not willing to trade another persons Freedom TO smoke for safety because someone may "feel" it's bad. George Burns smoke a cigar everyday until he died. He was in his 90's I believe. My Grandpa and Grandma both smoke for the majority of their lives and they lived to 91 and 88 respectively. I have friends that smoke. I wish they wouldn't and they DO ask me if it's ok if they smoke first. And if I don't feel like breathing it, I say no. And I have said no. BUT as Thomas Jefferson said quoting Cesare Beccaria ..."False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with ease and impunity, and which, if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty... and subject innocent persons to all the vexations that the guilty alone ought to suffer? Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree." Banning smoking is just as bad as banning guns. |
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Smokin' my ass off as I read this
'course, my DIET'LL kill me before the Kools will. |
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