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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:41:47 AM EDT
Eliot Ness
 Or Pvt. Ryan 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:42:28 AM EDT
[#1]
Ness!
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:43:17 AM EDT
[#2]
I second that. 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:44:13 AM EDT
[#3]
if i was buying one i'd go for the "private ryan" version.
i have seen more than a few of those forgrips crack. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:44:33 AM EDT
[#4]
Private Ryan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, the top cocking knob is gay. Plus you could always build an M41-A pulse rifle out from Aliens out of the M1A1 version.  Sure you can't use drum mags but they're expensive as hell anyway.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:44:53 AM EDT
[#5]
+1 |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:44:56 AM EDT
[#6]
I would go for the private ryan.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:46:53 AM EDT
[#7]
Elliot Ness
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:48:29 AM EDT
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why can't you use the drums? i have seen several class 3 that had no problem with them. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:50:05 AM EDT
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Drums don't fit the M1 or M1A1 model without extensive machinework to both the receiver and trigger housing.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:51:27 AM EDT
[#10]
Which Thompson? Lea.
 Get the SBR version of the Elliot Ness, then get a spare fore grip that would be like the Ryan,, you end up with the Sgt. Saunders. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:51:44 AM EDT
[#11]
Lea - She's hot (or was 20 years ago)
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:53:36 AM EDT
[#12]
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:53:44 AM EDT
[#13]
Get both?
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:54:39 AM EDT
[#14]
All together now....and a one, and a two and a three...
"GET BOTH!"
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:56:11 AM EDT
[#15]
I always liked the Ness better.
But after watching SPR I don't know how many times Buying a Garand Playing Medal of Honor and Call of Duty for all hours of the night. Now, I would take the Pvt. Ryan. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:59:22 AM EDT
[#16]
Ryan
 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:11:41 AM EDT
[#17]
As long as its full auto, it doesnt matter.
Kharn |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:16:25 AM EDT
[#18]
Private Ryan and SBR it.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:19:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:25:24 AM EDT
[#20]
Ness
Then get a pinstriped suit and a violin case for the range days. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:26:58 AM EDT
[#21]
Great minds think alike. Actually, I am looking for a true Class III. I just need my company's stock to move enough so my options will pay for it. 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:27:20 AM EDT
[#22]
Ness
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:34:00 AM EDT
[#23]
 Nuff said... 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:40:04 AM EDT
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Just where do they crack? I've owned a fullauto Thompson with the vertical front grip for several years, shoot it regularly and have never had a problem with it and I've never heard of or seen anyone on any gun board complain of a broken or cracked front grip on any Thompson. The vertical portion has a bolt through it's entire length preventing any leverage and the top portion is supported by a piece of steel its entire length. The mechanical design of it precludes any breakage. Sorry....I just don't believe it. Even the original Colt Thompsons have their original grips from the 1920's. I hate to do it but you forced me.........  |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:40:48 AM EDT
[#25]
Ryan
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:44:34 AM EDT
[#26]
Ryan ...........................all the way!
I would want to have what was carried in battle by great men who fought for our country! 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:51:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:55:12 AM EDT
[#28]
Ok, people, let's get this straight: the modern "Thompson" made by Kahr is in no way except cosmetics related to the 1921 and 1927 Thompson submachine guns. I had one of the modern guns (big mistake) until I got tired of lugging it around (heavy) fixing it (poor quality) and finally realized that stretched barrel just looked stupid.
That having been said, nothing could be finer than owning the original Colt 1921 AC, the "Ness" version with compensator, vertical handgrip, and adjustable sights. Sigh. NFA heaven. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 8:01:06 AM EDT
[#29]
I had a later AO, before Kahr bought them, and it worked fine. I filed down the mag catch so I could use unmodified magazines, and it ran great. I did have to get the larger side cocking handle, because it was a BITCH to try to cock using that little knob. It ran great, but that long barrel looked goofy on it, and it weighed a ton. (13+lb with a full magazine) It feels odd when you handle it and shoulder it, but you get used to it. I used mine in a carbine match once and did pretty well with it.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 8:01:11 AM EDT
[#30]
RYAN.............how ya gonna put a sling on the NESS thing???
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Posted: 12/16/2005 8:01:24 AM EDT
[#31]
Right... nothing in common besides having the same action and accepting the same parts and being the SAME gun, just maybe not made to the same quality like the Thompsons of yesteryear (kinda like modern 1911s with MIM parts). If you don't like the stretched barrel, you can get a factory SBR. Hell you could have SBR'd it yourself. I'm sorry you bought one that wasn't terribly reliable. The Thompson is a heavy gun. That's just the way it is. If you have $15,000-$20,000 to spend on an NFA Thompson, that's great. For some people though a Khar reproduction is the only option. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 8:15:02 AM EDT
[#32]
An NFA one.
No half measures. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 8:58:20 AM EDT
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Ryan....but you've got to get that thing off Viagra. 11.5" is long enough!
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:12:58 AM EDT
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One word.......
CHOPPER! "You wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?" Jim Malone, The Untouchables |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:14:43 AM EDT
[#35]
Ryan
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:21:11 AM EDT
[#36]
Ryan all the way, but I would SBR it. I hate the look of the long barrel.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:24:36 AM EDT
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That's the spirit. Either go big or don't go at all. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:32:56 AM EDT
[#38]
I think I'd have to dispute the statement "accepting the same parts" and would certainly disagree on "being the SAME gun." Perhaps some of the screws and things would switch, the stock and forearm, but the internals have to by necessity be different and I would be surprised if the receiver isn't different diamensionally. This means - different gun. Different action, different manufacturer, different parts, etc. There is NO comparison in quality to the Colt Thompson. Therefore this is hardly the SAME gun as the original Thompson, and all the fake violin carrying cases in the world won't make it any different. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:43:00 AM EDT
[#39]
Agreed. Thompson was an open bolt, was it not? So making it a semi (as open bolt semis are no-nos) required mod'ing the reciever and some other parts. Not the same gun at all. Besides - getting a repro Thompson is like buying a Springfield, Inc Garand - its just not right. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:44:02 AM EDT
[#40]
Sounds to me that one of you is not sure if there's a difference in some/most of the parts. If that's true, why would either of you post without knowing for sure?
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Posted: 12/16/2005 9:49:51 AM EDT
[#41]
So you're one of those guys that will argue symantics about whether an AR15 is mil-spec or not because of a lack of full auto or 3 shot burst group and auto sear. Manufacturing processes may have been changed for cheaper production costs and small minor changes may have been made, but it's still functionally the same gun. If you're talking about the same kind of difference that woudl be like what's between that Walther bullpup sniper rifle (name eludes me at the moment) and a 10/22 made up to look like one, then yeah you're talking about a completely different gun. A similar comparison could be made to a Pontiac Fierro made to look like a Lamborgini. But the reproduction Thompsons are pretty damn close to the originals. I won't argue that the same quality/craftsmanship probably isn't there like what was used to make the originals. I will agree with you there.Are you going to argue that a modern 1911 or AR15 isn't a 1911 or AR15 because it differs from an original production model, things which may have changes like... slightly modified or improved/different parts  ... slightly different dimensions ... and lack of full auto fire? I'm going to get a gas piston conversion for my AR15, but guess what? It'll still be an AR15! But on reflection, I guess I should throw away my TRP Operator (full length guide rod and dust cover and no barrel bushing omg garbage!) and Bushmaster AR15 because they're just not the same gun and differ from the original 1911s and AR15s and what the military uses. I guess I'm a poser since I don't have the real thing.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 10:45:44 AM EDT
[#42]
Ryan SBR'd
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Posted: 12/16/2005 11:07:19 AM EDT
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I think you are finally starting to get the picture. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 2:31:11 PM EDT
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John Dillinger's Thompson is on display in the lobby of the Tucson PD. He was captured there and I believe he escaped.
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Posted: 12/16/2005 2:32:17 PM EDT
[#45]
M1
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Posted: 12/16/2005 4:46:13 PM EDT
[#46]
You can buy SBR Thompsons from Kahr. |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 6:53:49 PM EDT
[#47]
Pvt. Ryan. But then again I wouldn't even bother with a Thompson if I couldn't have it SBR'd
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:22:44 PM EDT
[#48]
l wouldn't get a SMG unless it was a MG. 
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:30:07 PM EDT
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You're in Wisconsin. Have some self respect. If you can't afford the auto, at least SBR the puppy...
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:31:10 PM EDT
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Why did they make it that the M1 couldn't take drums? Was there a reason?
Interestingly enough, the first Thompsons used in World War 2 were by the British. They utilized captured Thompsons (not the M1 version) that they had captured from the IRA. Not one to waste good guns in a time of need, they pressed them into service. |
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