It occurred to me last night. My life will become so much easier. I'll will never have to use logic again. Chicks will dig me. I can blame all my failures on hard-working achievers (a.k.a. "the evil rich). When someone says something I disagree with, I can scream foul and accuse them of being a _______ (fill-in blank with racist, sexist, homo-phobe, bigot, etc.). All issues that affect your rights will be explained away by saying, "It's for the  [i] children [/i]". If you argue with us we'll say you are a child killer, woman hater, animal butcher, or earth raper.

If I want to get a cute little hard bodied coolege babe, I'll simply wax poetically about how George Bush and his "Big Oil" cronies and his daddies henchmen (who stole the election for him) want to kill spotted owls and carribou and drill in the prettiest area in the world. I won't even have to explain my fume-spewing deadhead stickered microbus, because I also get to blame him for high gas prices (see Big Oil Cronies)keeping me from affording an electric car.

Me and my cute new girlfriend can go protest animal testing at the CDC...of course we will wear imitation leather shoes so we can be politically correct...No one will ask how much petroleum goes into making plastic shoes and belts.

We can sit at coffee houses and smoke and drink and bitch about the evil republicans. We won't have to explain how much fuel is used to harvest tobacco or how much columbian forest has been destoyed to plant beans for my cafe latte. Or even the poor wages the columbian people will earn picking it...We won't have to explain it because no one will ask.

A Dilema...How do I keep my evil guns?  Hmmmm.
Oh simple. Like most liberals, this solution is easily solved. I need one to protect me from threats from right wingers. You, however, should turn them in immediately. What's good for me is [b][i]NOT [/b][/i] good for you.

Hillary 20004
[url]www.Hillary2004.org [/url]

If'n we becomes a democrat can we just sit back, drink a Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull and wait for the checks to come??
Or would we have to drink Hineykens?
BigDozer66

Roy, your post was mean and evil, and I'm sure it hurt people's feelings. You make me sad. We should all hold hands and sing a few verses of Kumbaya. That will fix all the world's problems.

Once we confiscate all the guns. Then the Kumbaya. And then my totalitarian world domination.

But definitely some Kumbaya.

And I thought all you needed to do was to get a frontal lobotomy.

And you can cheat on your wife or girlfriend and not call it sex...

brilliant plan, let me know how it goes comrade.

I've often thought about becoming a Liberal so more chicks will dig me.  You meet liberal girls all the time, very rare to meet a conservative girl with strong convictions.

No kidding. Try spending a week with about ten public school indoctrinated girls(I just did), and prepare to feel positively ILL about this nation's future. Same goes for the guys, for the most part. They will unthinkingly spout Socialist propaganda; it's ingrained in their thought processes. Every Democratic agenda we fight on the basis of freedom, is a 'given' for them.

Actual quotes, which came up in my "debates" with them over the course of the week-

" But welfare's just part of life here, though. You can't get rid of it.
Hey, Gunz are really bad. You should go to jail if you have one. Yeah that's what I'd like to see. You can always get ADT."

And, when alert to people's worldviews, which I try to do when I speak to them, you can clearly see other logical fallacies in these high school kid's thoughts.

"Naturally, we should send our soldiers off to places where the US has no vital interests".

"The Govt. can tax whatever they want, however much they want."

Now, of course, they didn't just come out and say so, but if you're paying attention, you can see that their worldview is warped-and from where I was sitting, warped pretty bad.

The sad part is, I'm just a few years older than these some of girls, and can't imagine the thankless work required in attempting to rethink the things they believe-most of it is just blind acceptance. I attempted to point out some of the more obvious faults in their "thinking", and now they all think I'm nuts, too!

Aaaargh! I don't want to have to give up my brain and become a Liberal, I want to meet some people who think![:(!]

Juggernaut

Wait, you have no idea how much it sucks.  I go to school at UC-Berkeley.  There are two 'gun-friendly' organizations, collectively comprising about 10 people.  I can't walk on campus without being accosted by a bunch of communists selling "workers world socialist papers".  There is a gun range on campus, but only the cops can use it b/c berkeley's NCAA rifle team was disbanded in the 1970's.  Even private housing has banned firearms, so my rifle is stored at a friends apartment.  The city council of berkeley is deliberating a handgun ban...again.  The city sucks bigtime, and if it wasn't for UC-Berkeley's Chemistry program I wouldn't be in this godforsaken state.

alphabeta121

Don't laugh, but I am going to be doing that in the next 2002 election primary for Illinois.  
Mr. Rod "pocket rocket" badgovich is running for governor.  So, I need to vote for whatever downstate democrat is running, so he gets bumped off of the politcal landscape.  
Then I am voting liberatian for the election, cause I am not voting for either Ryan in the republican election.
c-rock

Juggernaut,

Don't try to debate the little bitches.

In fact, don't talk politics at all.

Just act like a baddass, and bed 'em all.

But be sure to use a rubber--you don't want 'em raising any of your kids with a commie world view.

Dont ever give up on young people!!!!!

if i had'nt had people around to help excercise my brain and open my mind i would be a left winger too.

dont cram pro-freedom down their throats or call them names. dont argue, share opinions. openly debate and call them on their positions. if they act emotionally, then tell them that they are acting immature and that you know they can do a better job defending their position. this makes them think harder about what they are saying.

remember the purpose of debating is not to "convert" people, but get your ideas across. even if they disagree with you, they still have to take in what you say. if they walk away dont chase after them, or yell. always stay cordial and polite. you would be surprised how well this works. i have personally difused "hot flippin mad" people by using this tactic.

my ex-roommate was a supporter of the democrat party. before he left to go in the airforce i turned him into a fence sitter at least (hehe)

another thing to do is to listen to what they say more. they will eventually trip themselves. for example a democrat/socialist supporting janitor who used to work at my job said that:

"any black person who votes republican is a traitor to his race and should be shot!!!"

this same janitor thinks that im a violent milita nut who want to destroy society.

expose inconsitencies in their logic in a cordial manner. dont use neal boortz like tactics. people hate being proven wrong. instead help them proove themselves wrong.

for example the janitor has now shown himself to support violent action against people whom do not share his beliefs. he can now no longer say that violent militia people are nuts without my being able to repeat what he said. this makes him think whether he wants to admit it or not about the use of force.

listening lib

Uhmmm, that's what a Godless Democrat would do, isn't it?[:D]

Nope, this God-Fearing Repub/Constitutionalist keeps his pants zipped up until marriage. Besides, I hate guys who act like badasses to pick up girls. If that's what it takes to get that type, then I say they're the wrong type for me.

Now, I DO have the slight problem of finding anyone worth marrying, as I have already demonstrated the utter hopelessness of a possible relationship with just about everybody my age near me. My workplace isn't any better.

If there are any conservative college students in TN other than myself, they're hiding pretty well.

I will agree that discussing politics right off the bat with girls does tend to freak them out, but hey, this time they asked for it. If you intend to make stupid remarks in my presence,  don't be surprised if I verbally disagree with you.

Juggernaut

I'm not giving up on young people, I'm one of them(if age 18 counts)! I'm just disgusted by not being able to disagree with their "core" beliefs in any way without all ten of their clique descending on me like the wrath of God.



OK, so maybe that's part of my problem, eh?[:)] (note to self)Don't disagree with half of the church Youth Group at once...

Seriously, I don't usually really "debate", per se, a dissenting point of view is all it takes to set them off. I FULLY agree that you catch more flies with honey, and I do try to remain calm.

Most of them are very closed to new ideas. When I mentioned that calling ADT would just bring the cops-with guns, the girl clapped her hands over her ears and started humming. I had others resort to tired rhetoric, and then turn around and withdraw. Very immature, and I did just walk away, but this sort of thing is frustrating to the nth degree.

They don't care about logical inconsistancies. Really! Even the high school guys, some of which enjoy firearms, agree to a man that people don't need machineguns or sawed off shotguns. Discuss this with them, try to gently point out that there's no tangible difference in barrel lenght and firing speed, and they just squirm uncomfortably, and stick to their original point-"people who own them are, like, messed up." Point out that you can't really make a case on people's personalities based on their tools, and they get bored/and or irritated. They didn't come up with this on their own, free thinkers though they may pride themselves to be.

Hopefully I've planted a few seeds of truly original thought, but it's very frustrating, though I know it's worth it, if you go about it right. Hopefully, they will be able to realize their inconsistancies at some point. They sure don't want to admit they've made an illogical argument. I know you're right, lib, but it's an uphill battle.

(Weary) Juggernaut

OK , this is too funny, My Grandfatherwas a perrsonal friend of President Harry Truman. I was brought up as a Democrat. In the 70's I was President of a Young Democrats Chapter.
LOL yes there were women all over the place and booze like you would not believe. If you had any prestiagein the party.....you got  women of your choice offering you sex.
I though, behaved and was a hard worker. They offered me advancement, but the price was too high, my soul!!!
I could not do it. Now I am a Republican, drive a Mercades and am a cop......that is funny!

OK , this is too funny, My Grandfatherwas a perrsonal friend of President Harry Truman. I was brought up as a Democrat. In the 70's I was President of a Young Democrats Chapter.
LOL yes there were women all over the place and booze like you would not believe. If you had any prestiagein the party.....you got  women of your choice offering you sex.
I though, behaved and was a hard worker. They offered me advancement, but the price was too high, my soul!!!
I could not do it. Now I am a Republican, drive a Mercades and am a cop......that is funny!

Mr. Mercer....

How long has it been since you've had an ass whoop'n

LOL ;-)

Been a long time since I had an ass whoopin'...I feel like I could get sideways on a curve everytime I turn on the news and see the leftist agenda shoved down my throat...

Someone's gonna get an ass whoopin'...I'll guarantee it!

Amen, Juggernaut. You and people like you are becoming more and more rare.

Can't we just pretend to be democrats, just for the chicks?

Yeah, Roy D. ByGod Mercer, how big a boy are ya?[:D]

REAL men ain't Democrats!

Juggernaut

My Roommates won't even listen when I talk politics.  Their excuse "You can't change it so why bother".   I try to reccomend a few books for them to read their excuse "I can't remember stuff like you do" or "I can't read as fast as you do".

One time when I pointed out that they had used cameras at the super bowl to scan everyones face to make sure their were no "criminals" My roommate agreed with that tactic claiming "It's a good idea.  What?  You have something wrong with catching criminals?"  

Or when I say I'd love to invoke the State of Emergency act and disband congress if I was ever president and throw out every law and shutdown almost all the ABC agencies (I'd keep the EPA, but only to control illegal dumping of certain chemicals) while instilling martial law to keep the welfare people from "Revolting" to make this nation a Constitutional Republic again he says "That would be forceing yourself and your opinions on others and that isn't good"  

I try and tell him that if we were socialist nation I'd be dragged off and shot, so I should just do the same to socialist and he says "You'd kill someone just because of their political thinking"  I just look at him like he's retarded and say "Yeh, they'd do the same to you"  

I think my roommate however "educated" he thinks he is is a complete political moron, doesn't know history and won't let me show him the error of his thinking cause the jackass won't take 5 hours out of his "busy" life to read Atlas or 1984...  grrr..  

Excuse the half sentences I'm writing, I think my neighbor gave me Exctasy instead of Excedrin.

[):)]
NSF

Sorry, now you are off my Christmas List!!!!1

I registered as a Democrat back in 1992, just so I could vote against Clinton twice.

Actually I think the modern Democratic party is a lot more socialist than the Party of Harry Truman.

Blissful ignorance. I thought about that once. Couldn't make myself do it.


Juggernaut, if you can't find them, you're in the wrong place.

[url]www.uu.edu[/url]

I'm usually in the wrong place. To be specific, I'm not (yet) there. Hmmm, Union University, thanks. Will have to look at this one carefully, looks like my kind of place.

and hey, where the heck are the pics from the TBRS shoot?[:D]

Juggernaut