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Posted: 7/31/2001 4:30:53 PM EDT
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It's all a figment of your biased imagination. No Glock EVER Kb!'d with factory ammo, no matter what the FBI says. All of you anti Glock people are just making this stuff up to be mean, there's no design flaw at all, it must be operator error, or reloads, or somebody else's mistake, but the problem with Glock Kb's are never, never, never the fault of the gun.[rolleyes]
(A very sarcastic)Juggernaut |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 4:40:11 PM EDT
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That's right, they never blow up.[XX(] [img]albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=183095&a=1591939&p=14692920[/img] |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 4:52:59 PM EDT
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Who cares about the guy! how is the gun?!?!?!
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Posted: 7/31/2001 5:03:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Who cares about the guy! how is the gun?!?!?! Uhmmm, he already told us that- "The top of the barrel at the breech end blew completely off and the slide is slightly bulged out. It cracked the frame and broke severeal of the plastic pieces. The brass was completely blown into. " How is the gun? Sub-par for a firearm, just like before it Kb'd. I'll bet it got so jealous of the HK, it exploded in envy... Juggernaut |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 5:04:35 PM EDT
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The ammunition is the culprit IMO. No barrel obstruction? Did this ammo have lead bullets?
Have you pulled any other bullets to look for a double powder charge? S&B may be the cause. |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 5:17:26 PM EDT
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No, no, I mean is he going to replace the parts and have it fixed or is he traumatized and wants to sell?
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Posted: 7/31/2001 5:27:08 PM EDT
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I had this happen in a 1911 using factory S&B ammo. Blew the top out of the breach end. I have heard that their brass is more brittle then most other.
But as a side note I have shot thousands of round of S&B, both thru 1911's and my glocks. I know that the rifling in the glock barrels do not like lead at all, and if you have shot lead bullets thru it, you have to get real serious about getting it all out. I don't know if this might be a contributing factor in your case. |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 5:40:20 PM EDT
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i don't know about the .45 s&B but the .223 brass is garbage! i've had so many s&b 223 case fail i gave up on it all together.
I'm starting to rethink my g30. I'm hearing ALOT of KB stories lately. Does anyone think the summer heat could be a factor along with bad brass? Should i consider an aftermarket barrell or just move to a different peice. DAMMIT i like this pistol!! mike |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 5:53:38 PM EDT
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fustercluck.... that nic rocks man!!
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Posted: 7/31/2001 5:58:14 PM EDT
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There's been lots of bad S&B brass around lately. In the Ammo forum, people have been posting pics of split .223 cases (split long-wise for 2/3 of the case length), and there have been a number of reports of split necks and brittle brass on brand new lots.
Bad ammo can blow up any gun. -Troy |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 6:00:50 PM EDT
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Thanks for the replys. I have not had a chance to contact Glock or S & B yet but when I here from them I will post results. Should have some good pictures of this this weekend.
As a side note. No lead has ever been fired through the gun, only factory ball and hollow points. I too think this is an ammo problem but I've been hearing about a lot of blown up Glocks lately. Luckily I was shooting a 10 rounder instead of one of the hicaps, as it trashed the mag as well. |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 6:48:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Who cares about the guy! how is the gun?!?!?! |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 6:51:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: The ammunition is the culprit IMO. No barrel obstruction? Did this ammo have lead bullets? Have you pulled any other bullets to look for a double powder charge? S&B may be the cause. |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 6:57:29 PM EDT
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There definitely was not a barrel obstruction and no lead bullets have ever been fired through this weapon. There is no bulge or other deformity in the barrel. With the exception of the top half of the breech missing and a hole blown through the bottom, the barrel looks perfect. I haven't gotten to talk to Glock but I am curious as to what their response will be.
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Posted: 7/31/2001 7:03:46 PM EDT
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With S&B .223 brass I've had split case necks with new rounds. 2 out of a case of 1,000 split their necks for no apparent reason.
I doubt it is the ammo though. My weapons (.45, 9mm, .223) have thousand of S&B rounds through them without a hiccup, just the occasional piece of trashed brass. S&B steel cased 7.62x39mm Russian is the best cheap stuff out there. |
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Posted: 7/31/2001 7:32:08 PM EDT
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Just curious, but has anyone else that this has happened to received any help from Glock or did they just act like it wasn't their problem.
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Posted: 7/31/2001 9:47:53 PM EDT
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Again, RECENT lots of S&B ammo in various calibers has had lots of major brass failures, which is exactly what this sounds like. Due to the relatively low pressures of the .45 round, it's rare to have a kB! (in any gun) unless the gun is fired out of battery or the brass is bad (or if it's a handload that's loaded WAY too hot).
Based on the S&B cases I've seen lately, it doesn't surprise me a bit that one of them had a major failure. -Troy |
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Posted: 8/1/2001 5:48:38 AM EDT
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Is it possible that the round that exploded was a 10mm and not a .45?
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Posted: 8/1/2001 5:53:02 AM EDT
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So, apparently all the Glocks that were are reading about going kaboom are all the ammo's fault, particularly S&B. If you try to say that perhaps the Glock is at fault and maybe overrated, you are an infidel. Oh, please forgive me.
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Posted: 8/1/2001 6:01:16 AM EDT
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I am beginning to think it has something to do with the Glock's in 45 ACP.
A buddy of mine had his blow-up shooting factory Win or Rem ammo (I dont remember which). The barrel didn't blow like that but the frame cracked, the slide came off and the mag blew out. He sent it back to Glock and they sent him a new one. |
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Posted: 8/1/2001 6:09:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: We were shooting 2 Glocks;a model 21 .45, a model 20 10mm and a HK Mark 23. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks for your time. You had two identical frame size Glocks that take the same dimensional sized mags at the range. Are you certain that a 10mm round did not end up in the Glock 21? My guess is that a 10mm round was fired in the .45. Was the 10mm and .45 ammo sitting in close proximity to each gun? My personal rule has always been to NEVER shoot two similar guns that can chamber the ammo from both in at least one of them. Accidents happen. The 10mm round will chamber in the .45, and the extractor will hold the undersized round tight enough to allow the firing pin to strike the primer. That would definitely cause the type of damage you described. Were you able to locate the case head from the fired round? And did you check to see if the headstamp was still legible? |
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Posted: 8/1/2001 9:33:17 AM EDT
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Sorry mmf but your guess in totally incorrect. I definitely had the correct ammo loaded and have the brass pieces with the .45 stamped on the case to prove it. I always pay extremely close attention to these things as you cannot afford to be careless. Safety is always my main concern. I love shooting but it isn't worth getting killed or seriously injured over making a dumb mistake.
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Posted: 8/1/2001 9:47:47 AM EDT
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It was the gun, We had a Glock 23 do that on the range. The case has virtually no support at the rear of the barrel. You get a weak spot and it blows out. This is the problem with reloads.
If you examine the fired brass it will often bulge at the web. That is one of the main problems with reloads, only one type of does a full length resize, a roller die. The others leave a fraction that id in the shell holder. |
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Posted: 8/1/2001 10:00:51 AM EDT
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I've never shot reloads through this gun,only factory fmj & hp ammo,no lead either.
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Posted: 8/1/2001 10:07:36 AM EDT
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Reminds me of a funny story...could have been tragic if different Cal.'s were used, but while at the range with a friend who's in the military, of high officer rank, we were shooting 9mm and I had my 1911's, he had along some 45 cal ammo because he wanted to try my 45's...after several rotations my friend asked to shoot my 1911, I toss him a mag and say sure load it. Well, as he steps up to the firing line I advise, load and make ready, he racks the slide and I'm looking down range, but hear this faint "tink" on the ground....Hmmmm...(love the peltor electronic ears)conversation goes like this...hey what was that, I say rack the slide again...that is when I see it...a 9mm slowly drops out of the end of the barrel....holy shit what did you load that with...ah...(pulling mag and looking very sheepishly) ....9mmm....silence...loud laughter...that is when he learned to, if you are shooting different cal.'s to close and put away the other cal., and then load the different mags. Needless to say it will always be my inside joke with this guy, who by the way is as great a patriot as I am, and probably one of the best people I know.
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