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Posted: 7/26/2001 12:09:42 PM EDT
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If it was me I'd get a 20" you can always buy a 16" and then if you get a 16" you can always buy a 20". It just depends on what you like the 20" is going to be a little more accurate out past 300 yd but the 16" is good for tight spots like in buildings and around corners.
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Posted: 7/26/2001 12:12:16 PM EDT
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Do you already have a 20" POSTBAN upper??
Then get a preban 16", as you can ALWAYS slap a POSTBAN upper on a preban lower. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 12:16:07 PM EDT
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A Bayonet Lug and Flash Supressor has never been worth the extra thousand dollars over a post-ban to me....
As far as the Tactical Uses for those items? Well, if I am ever in a situation where I have a practical need for a "flash Supressor", I am not going to be checking 922r to make sure my upper is in compliance with the law... Do you just want to be able to go to the range and have all the rookies say "Ohhhhhh....Look at that Tele-Stock! That is soooooooo cool!" ?? |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 12:37:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: A Bayonet Lug and Flash Supressor has never been worth the extra thousand dollars over a post-ban to me.... As far as the Tactical Uses for those items? Well, if I am ever in a situation where I have a practical need for a "flash Supressor", I am not going to be checking 922r to make sure my upper is in compliance with the law... Do you just want to be able to go to the range and have all the rookies say "Ohhhhhh....Look at that Tele-Stock! That is soooooooo cool!" ?? He has stated that he is going to buy a preban. So you can't afford one, that's fine. Don't rain on someone else's parade. He wants to get a preban. Does that necessitate you starting the old 'preban ain't worth......."? And since when is $1200-$1400 a thousand more than $700-$900? |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 12:54:43 PM EDT
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I have a BM 20'HB and a BM 16' carbine.
I shoot the 20' more. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 1:15:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LARRY G: Quoted: A Bayonet Lug and Flash Supressor has never been worth the extra thousand dollars over a post-ban to me.... As far as the Tactical Uses for those items? Well, if I am ever in a situation where I have a practical need for a "flash Supressor", I am not going to be checking 922r to make sure my upper is in compliance with the law... Do you just want to be able to go to the range and have all the rookies say "Ohhhhhh....Look at that Tele-Stock! That is soooooooo cool!" ?? He has stated that he is going to buy a preban. So you can't afford one, that's fine. Don't rain on someone else's parade. He wants to get a preban. Does that necessitate you starting the old 'preban ain't worth......."? And since when is $1200-$1400 a thousand more than $700-$900? I guess i will take up for the newbie. I agree with him 100% and yes I have the money to buy 2 or 3 if i wanted them. For a collector, sure they are neat to have. Practically they aren't worth the extra 5-700.00 you will pay for a bayonet lug and a flash supressor. I don't think he was flaming anyone just stating his opinion. Since when has that become a crime here? mike |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 1:25:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LARRY G: So you can't afford one, that's fine. I don't know how it works around here, but when someone says something idiotic and wrong, what is the appropriate way to handle it? Do I need to post pics of my bank books, or can I just call him an ass? |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 1:25:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The Beer Slayer: I guess i will take up for the newbie. I agree with him 100% and yes I have the money to buy 2 or 3 if i wanted them. For a collector, sure they are neat to have. Practically they aren't worth the extra 5-700.00 you will pay for a bayonet lug and a flash supressor. Yeah, but sticking my thumb in the gub'mints eye is PRICELESS!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 1:26:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do I need to post pics of my bank books, or can I just call him an ass? Call him an @$$, but smile when you do it. [:D] |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 2:22:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Originally Posted By The Beer Slayer: I guess i will take up for the newbie. I agree with him 100% and yes I have the money to buy 2 or 3 if i wanted them. For a collector, sure they are neat to have. Practically they aren't worth the extra 5-700.00 you will pay for a bayonet lug and a flash supressor. Yeah, but sticking my thumb in the gub'mints eye is PRICELESS!!!!!!! I use my vote for that. Pisses them off much more and is free And just for Shlomo.... LARRY G is an Ass [:)] mike |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 3:40:33 PM EDT
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Butkus, buy a Colt Green label, you won't regret it. I too have to ask the question, since when did pre ban prices rise to $1000 more than a post ban?
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Posted: 7/26/2001 3:55:02 PM EDT
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Shlomo, If you're ever in the situation wherin you NEED a flash suppressor, you're not going to be able to go home and get one. Should you be unfortunate enough to be in that situation someday, you may find that an extra several hundred dollars is a fair trade for your life. Not a flame, just my .02 .
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Posted: 7/26/2001 3:58:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Shlomo, If you're ever in the situation wherin you NEED a flash suppressor, you're not going to be able to go home and get one. Should you be unfortunate enough to be in that situation someday, you may find that an extra several hundred dollars is a fair trade for your life. Not a flame, just my .02 . If i'm ever in a situation where i NEED a flash supressor it ain't a .223 i'm grabbing [:)] not to mention my eyes are to bad for night shoting anyway. I couldn't see them in the dark anyway. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 4:00:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't know how it works around here, but when someone says something idiotic and wrong, what is the appropriate way to handle it? Do I need to post pics of my bank books, or can I just call him an ass? HEHE - and this folks will be my very first use of a smiley! [}:D] |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 4:01:53 PM EDT
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Butkus, I just got a preban lower and can't wait to build on it.
I'm planning on slapping a M4 upper and collapsible stock as soon as possible. I've already got a 20" FN preban upper, and even though it may look silly with the stock, I'll still slap it on at the range for accuracy shooting. Though I will probably go with the Rock River Arms stock since they've got a new 6 position that extends to the A2 length. I mean, it is a preban, you might as well go with all the evil features. You can always build a 20" or 24" post ban target rifle. If you feel more comfortable with the 20" upper in a SHTF type scenario, it would still take probably 10 seconds to swap out uppers. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 4:05:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The Beer Slayer: Quoted: Shlomo, If you're ever in the situation wherin you NEED a flash suppressor, you're not going to be able to go home and get one. Should you be unfortunate enough to be in that situation someday, you may find that an extra several hundred dollars is a fair trade for your life. Not a flame, just my .02 . If i'm ever in a situation where i NEED a flash supressor it ain't a .223 i'm grabbing [:)] not to mention my eyes are to bad for night shoting anyway. I couldn't see them in the dark anyway. Yep, that's why flash suppressors fit more than just the .223/5.56. Make mine a Garand with a Vortex![;)] |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 6:39:03 PM EDT
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Butkus 51
I'd go with a carbine (16 inch, lightweight bbl and telestock) cause I ain't got one [b]yet[/b] [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/M16.gif[/img] sgb |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 6:57:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The Beer Slayer: And just for Shlomo.... LARRY G is an Ass [:)] mike Quoted: Do I need to post pics of my bank books, or can I just call him an ass? Got to post pics of bank book. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 7:26:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Butkus, buy a Colt Green label, you won't regret it. I too have to ask the question, since when did pre ban prices rise to $1000 more than a post ban? Every Colt A2 preban around here goes for $2000+ SP1s run from $1100-$2000+ (on the dealers tables) I would go with a 20" as it will give you range and you live in a "range area." Just make sure you are getting the best deal you can and remember in the box with the papers is the Holy Grail[smoke] |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 7:27:57 PM EDT
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I have to agree that the pre ban features arent really worth the money (the buttstock is cool though). but that doesn't mean that I'm not on the market for a preban lower whenever I find one![:P]
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Posted: 7/26/2001 7:34:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yep, that's why flash suppressors fit more than just the .223/5.56. Make mine a Garand with a Vortex![;)] |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 8:12:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LARRY G: Originally Posted By The Beer Slayer: And just for Shlomo.... LARRY G is an Ass [:)] mike Quoted: Do I need to post pics of my bank books, or can I just call him an ass? hehe just razzin ya man, notice the smiley in that post mike Got to post pics of bank book. |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 8:19:43 PM EDT
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[b]Now back to the original post![/b]
You are paying some of the cost to be able to have a retracting stock so go for it. A carbine with a retractable stock is such a compact package, easy to transport, easy to use for younger, smaller shooters and cool beyond belief! |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 8:29:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Every Colt A2 preban around here goes for $2000+ SP1s run from $1100-$2000+ (on the dealers tables) The best place to shop for an AR is right here on this board. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=39390[/url] |
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Posted: 7/26/2001 8:56:58 PM EDT
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I'd get a 16 in. w/ collapsible stock. If your spending the extra money for a pre-ban the stock is one of your evil feature benefits. Although I admit to shooting better with my 20 inch. You will eventually probally have one (or more) of each anyway.
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