So… does God speak with GWB?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - So… does God speak with GWB?

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:11:13 PM EDT

Well?……

Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, Arab leaders say
Palestinian officials confirm comments from documentary
Matthew Kalman, Chronicle Foreign Service
Friday, October 7, 2005

Jerusalem -- President Bush told two high-ranking Palestinian officials that he had been told by God to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and then create a Palestinian state to bring peace to the Middle East, they recall during a documentary on Middle East peace that airs next week in Britain.

"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God,' " said Nabil Shaath, who was the Palestinian foreign minister at the time of a top-level meeting with Bush in June 2003. Mahmoud Abbas, then Palestinian prime minister and now the Palestinian Authority president, was also present for the conversation with Bush.

"God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq ...' And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God I'm gonna do it," Shaath quotes the president as saying in the three-part series.

(White House press secretary Scott McClellan denied the report at his press briefing Thursday. "No, that's absurd. He's never made such comments," he said.

(McClellan said he was not personally in that meeting, but that he had been at similar meetings with world leaders when Bush talked about the reasons for his Mideast decisions.)

Shaath, who is now Palestinian minister of information, said he was encouraged, not dismayed, by the president's comments.

"President Bush was saying that, 'Having been imbued with a message of God to free the people of Afghanistan and then Iraq, I have a calling now to give the Palestinians a state of their own and their freedom, to give Israel security and bring peace to the Middle East,' " Shaath told The Chronicle, confirming the accuracy of the BBC report.

But Shaath said the Palestinians at the meeting did not think the president was suggesting that God actually spoke to him. "I think it's a manner of speech," Shaath said. "I don't think he meant an actual call from God. He was talking about a commitment. The man wasn't saying there was an angel hovering over his head talking to him.

"We took it as a commitment of the highest level by Mr. Bush to really invest his effort and his determination to get an independent Palestinian state. We welcome this commitment by the president and hope he will fulfill it."

It wasn't the first time Bush used the symbolism of his Christian beliefs to describe the U.S. role on the international stage. U.S. foreign policy is still paying for Bush's post-Sept. 11 description of the U.S. war on terror as a crusade, a term that reminded many people in the Middle East of the medieval Christian crusades in which European warriors trying to wrest Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Islamic rule killed untold thousands of Muslims.

"One of the biggest problems the Bush administration has is the translation of American Christian culture to the world, and specifically to Muslim countries," said commentator Micah D. Halpern, author of "What You Need to Know About: Terror."

"It's not that these societies are foreign to Christians, it's just that the Christianity that Bush embraces is not the Christianity that these Muslim countries see at home," Halpern said. "In that mistranslation, his message is ballooned out of proportion. One of America's biggest diplomatic mistakes is their lack of understanding of local Muslim and Arab cultures abroad. You can't just throw out the word God and assume that everyone's on the same page."

When Condoleezza Rice arrived in the West Bank last June for her first visit as secretary of state, Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahar went on Palestinian television to accuse Bush of launching a wave of crusades that had already claimed the lives of 70,000 Islamic martyrs.

"This is a new ... war of crusades that Bush is leading," said Al-Zahar, interspersing the English word crusade with the Arabic equivalent "hamla salibiyya." In 2001, Pentagon officials junked the name "Operation Infinite Justice" for the war on terror after realizing it could upset Muslims' belief that only God can dispense "infinite justice."

Although U.S. officials have tried to play down the war on terror as a clash of civilizations or a war of Christians against Muslims, the imagery of the United States as the reincarnation of those medieval warriors has taken hold.

Osama bin Laden's videotaped speeches are laced with references to crusaders and infidels, designed to stoke religious sensitivities.

Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Abd Al-Latif, a professor at Um Al-Qura University in Saudi Arabia, told viewers on Saudi Channel TV1 last year that the U.S.-led wars to oust the leaders of Afghanistan and Iraq was evidence of the Christians' "cruel aggression against Islamic countries."

"This is a crusading war whose goal is to harm Muslims," he said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/10/07/MNGNVF3SFM1.DTL

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:15:18 PM EDT

[#1]

Heck, as much as I hate leftie comedian Bill Hicks I feel the need to quote him here:

"There's a living God who talks to you."

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:17:12 PM EDT

[#2]

As much as I think George W. Bush has made mistakes, he's nowhere near stupid enough to tell high ranking palestinian officials "I am on a mission from God", even if he thinks he is.

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:18:14 PM EDT

[#3]

It's a phony quote. Bush was speaking with some Palestinian leaders. His words went throgh a couple translaters from English to Arabic to the memory of a hostile Palestinian and back to english, then mutated along the way after returning to english before reaching the BBC.

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:19:37 PM EDT

[#4]

"God told me that I'm going to be O.K., he said he's pretty sure your fucked though."

Posted: 10/7/2005 2:20:37 PM EDT

[#5]

All your base are belong to God.

Posted: 10/7/2005 3:22:48 PM EDT

[#6]

Good rule of thumb is not to trust the Palestinians, or the BBC on matters regarding Israel/Palesine or George Bush. They luvvvvvvvvvv the splodeydopes but hate George Bush passionately.

Posted: 10/7/2005 3:31:36 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
"God told me that I'm going to be O.K., he said he's pretty sure your fucked though."

aye, it's MY island

Posted: 10/7/2005 3:45:37 PM EDT

[#8]

God said to trust the Brits...

for now.

Posted: 10/7/2005 4:32:31 PM EDT

[#9]

God speaks to all men, he doesn't play favorites. This includes the men who wrote the various holy books, no special direct line to God.

Few listen.

Those who claim God told them to do things, particularly things like wage war, are either lying or schizophrenic.

That said, I don't believe GWB is a Christian, let alone a prophet.

Posted: 10/7/2005 6:50:41 PM EDT

[#10]

Jake Blues// see me and the lord have got an understanding// Jake Blues

Posted: 10/7/2005 6:54:30 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
God speaks to all men, he doesn't play favorites. This includes the men who wrote the various holy books, no special direct line to God.

Few listen.

Those who claim God told them to do things, particularly things like wage war, are either lying or schizophrenic.

That said, I don't believe GWB is a Christian, let alone a prophet.

Anyone who can use the phrase 'various holy books' with a straight face is in no position to judge whether or not GWB is a Christian.

Posted: 10/7/2005 6:59:47 PM EDT

[#12]

I certainly hope God talks to the President.

Posted: 10/7/2005 7:00:13 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Quoted:
God speaks to all men, he doesn't play favorites. This includes the men who wrote the various holy books, no special direct line to God.

Few listen.

Those who claim God told them to do things, particularly things like wage war, are either lying or schizophrenic.

That said, I don't believe GWB is a Christian, let alone a prophet.

Anyone who can use the phrase 'various holy books' with a straight face is in no position to judge whether or not GWB is a Christian.

I couldn't get passed the judgement passing on the President's current status of salvation.

Posted: 10/7/2005 7:04:00 PM EDT

[#14]

Naaaahhh.

Posted: 10/7/2005 7:07:05 PM EDT

[#15]

Lots of people pray to God for guidance.

When they make decisions after prayer it's because they communed with God. It aint like a telephone call for craps sake.

Sure he prayed and received an answer but it's not like a voice spoke to him from a burning bush.

Posted: 10/7/2005 7:13:02 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Jerusalem -- President Bush told two high-ranking Palestinian officials that he had been told by God to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and then create a Palestinian state to bring peace to the Middle East,

isn't that what the anti-christ is prophesized to do?

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:17:11 PM EDT

[#17]

Meh...the Euros, for some reason, just LOVE to hate believing Christians. They WANT so badly for this story to be true, but it prolly ain't.

The joke's on them anyway. Once they admit Turkey to the EU, poor Turks will swarm all over the continent (and onto old Albion, sorry Andy). Then it will be all over for Mother Europe, which will be only a memory.

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:21:51 PM EDT

[#18]

Proven false. Its the BBC, what else would one expect from the communist BBC?

The White House has denied that US President George W. Bush said God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, as a new BBC documentary is expected to reveal.

"That's absurd. He's never made such comments," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Thursday.

The documentary series set to be broadcast later this month in Britain claims Bush made the claim when he met Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas and then-foreign minister Nabil Shaath in June 2003.

www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/07/051007131357.nstalu7a.html

Oh yes, and DUPE!

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:31:02 PM EDT

[#19]

Nah. If God said anything it would have been
SECURE YOUR BORDERS, DUMAS!

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:45:26 PM EDT

[#20]

WELL WHAT

You don't know Bullshit when you see it... again.

How many fucking times is the British press going to retread this fucking lie. This makes about the 5th time in 2 years the British press has reported this BULLSHIT each time denied by the White House as ridiculous.

And BTW it was denied by the Palestinian PM today as well. Bet we don’t see that reported by the BBC.

It has been a real good day for the British media… a day they can be proud of… first this lie and David Frost joining Al-Jazeera.

Your people found that mythical incinerator in Arkansas yet.

AND THIS IS A DUPE.

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:56:16 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Well?……

Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, Arab leaders say
Palestinian officials confirm comments from documentary
Matthew Kalman, Chronicle Foreign Service
Friday, October 7, 2005

Are posting this because you think it's funny or because you think it's accurate? If it's the former then indeed the BBC is making me laugh. If it's the latter then I fear you lack the normal human Bullshit detector. I'm not happy with the man and certainly not his cheerleader but that reaks so foul of bullshit I choked on the 2nd paragraph. Did he claim to be on a mission from God while dressed in a black suit, sunglasses and gangster hat and speaking with a Chicago accent?

Christ, if your going to make something up try not to use movie lines as your grabber.

Posted: 10/7/2005 8:59:00 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
God speaks to all men, he doesn't play favorites. This includes the men who wrote the various holy books, no special direct line to God.

Few listen.

Those who claim God told them to do things, particularly things like wage war, are either lying or schizophrenic.

That said, I don't believe GWB is a Christian, let alone a prophet.

So, you believe the bullshit in that article?

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:03:24 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
God speaks to all men, he doesn't play favorites. This includes the men who wrote the various holy books, no special direct line to God.

Few listen.

Those who claim God told them to do things, particularly things like wage war, are either lying or schizophrenic.

That said, I don't believe GWB is a Christian, let alone a prophet.

Sure God plays favorites.

He gives some people bullshit detecting abilities… some he apparently don’t.

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:06:13 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Nah. If God said anything it would have been
SECURE YOUR BORDERS, DUMAS!

Alexandre of "Count of Monte Cristo" and "Man In The Iron Mask" fame?

Or did you mean DUMBASS?

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:07:55 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

That said, I don't believe GWB is a Christian...

Based on?

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:11:11 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Nah. If God said anything it would have been
SECURE YOUR BORDERS, DUMAS!

Alexandre of "Count of Monte Cristo" and "Man In The Iron Mask" fame?

Or did you mean DUMBASS?

God has too much gravitas to call someone "dumbass". Might zap 'em with a lightning bolt or send in a plague of locusts...........

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:21:34 PM EDT

[#27]

Nope. The source has been backing off that story already ... amazing what bull shit they'll say to sell a new television show.

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:26:53 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
God speaks to all men, he doesn't play favorites. This includes the men who wrote the various holy books, no special direct line to God.

Few listen.

Those who claim God told them to do things, particularly things like wage war, are either lying or schizophrenic.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:29:46 PM EDT

[#29]

I posted this last night, it was the first time I had read it as well, It has been denied and probably disproven by now.

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:30:43 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Nah. If God said anything it would have been

SECURE YOUR BORDERS, DUMAS!

Well, last time I was near the border, specifically on US 90 just east of Del Rio, there was a Border Patrol vehicle checkpoint. All were stopped. It WASN'T there back in 2000.

So, put up or shut up. Border secure? Moreso than it was in 2000.

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:34:20 PM EDT

[#31]

No, and I don't think the Pope does either.

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:34:28 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
I posted this last night, it was the first time I had read it as well, It has been denied and probably disproven by now.

Then say it and say it LOUD....

DUPE!

Dupe police

Posted: 10/7/2005 9:38:20 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Nah. If God said anything it would have been

SECURE YOUR BORDERS, DUMAS!

Well, last time I was near the border, specifically on US 90 just east of Del Rio, there was a Border Patrol vehicle checkpoint. All were stopped. It WASN'T there back in 2000.

So, put up or shut up. Border secure? Moreso than it was in 2000.

This is a joke, right?

Posted: 10/7/2005 10:27:00 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Nah. If God said anything it would have been

SECURE YOUR BORDERS, DUMAS!

Well, last time I was near the border, specifically on US 90 just east of Del Rio, there was a Border Patrol vehicle checkpoint. All were stopped. It WASN'T there back in 2000.

So, put up or shut up. Border secure? Moreso than it was in 2000.

This is a joke, right?

No, it is what I have observed. While there IS a border problem, it is NOT going to be solved by any easy claim of "shut the borders".

The problem is economics. If we do not address the economics, the border will be IMPOSSIBLE to control. Sure, we could build a wall along the lines of the Great Wall of China but in the end, we will lose because those same people fleeing the opressive economic situation will only be hired by our competetor.

You see, this war isn't won by isolation. It is LOST by isolation.

Posted: 10/8/2005 5:58:59 AM EDT

[#35]

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The problem is economics. If we do not address the economics, the border will be IMPOSSIBLE to control. Sure, we could build a wall along the lines of the Great Wall of China but in the end, we will lose because those same people fleeing the opressive economic situation will only be hired by our competetor.

You see, this war isn't won by isolation. It is LOST by isolation.

I'm ALL FOR closing teh borders, but I fully recognize there would be an immense economic impact in doing so.

Among other things, expect home prices to increase by 20-40%

Posted: 10/8/2005 6:35:37 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Quoted:

The problem is economics. If we do not address the economics, the border will be IMPOSSIBLE to control. Sure, we could build a wall along the lines of the Great Wall of China but in the end, we will lose because those same people fleeing the opressive economic situation will only be hired by our competetor.

You see, this war isn't won by isolation. It is LOST by isolation.

I'm ALL FOR closing teh borders, but I fully recognize there would be an immense economic impact in doing so.

Among other things, expect home prices to increase by 20-40%

no I think home prices will maybe go down, due to less demand from a lower population

Posted: 10/8/2005 6:48:48 AM EDT

[#37]

God speaks to those who seek him - it's in the Bible, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." James 1:5

Posted: 10/8/2005 9:31:59 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
"God told me that I'm going to be O.K., he said he's pretty sure your fucked though."

Posted: 10/8/2005 12:07:15 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Well?……

Bush said God told him to invade Iraq, Arab leaders say
Palestinian officials confirm comments from documentary
Matthew Kalman, Chronicle Foreign Service
Friday, October 7, 2005

Are posting this because you think it's funny or because you think it's accurate? If it's the former then indeed the BBC is making me laugh. If it's the latter then I fear you lack the normal human Bullshit detector. I'm not happy with the man and certainly not his cheerleader but that reaks so foul of bullshit I choked on the 2nd paragraph. Did he claim to be on a mission from God while dressed in a black suit, sunglasses and gangster hat and speaking with a Chicago accent?

Christ, if your going to make something up try not to use movie lines as your grabber.

The former… I know it's a stupid report… and it made me laugh! It's ironic that everything every raggedy assed arab does is in the name of 'Allah' yet when ANYONE in the west even suggests or hints he is religious they go all pear shaped and hysterical…

ANdy

Posted: 10/8/2005 4:50:38 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

The problem is economics. If we do not address the economics, the border will be IMPOSSIBLE to control. Sure, we could build a wall along the lines of the Great Wall of China but in the end, we will lose because those same people fleeing the opressive economic situation will only be hired by our competetor.

You see, this war isn't won by isolation. It is LOST by isolation.

I'm ALL FOR closing teh borders, but I fully recognize there would be an immense economic impact in doing so.

Among other things, expect home prices to increase by 20-40%

no I think home prices will maybe go down, due to less demand from a lower population

Mexicans live 15 to a house. SO very few houses would free up.

But Mexican labor is used in probably 1/3 - 1/2 of houses built.

If builders have to pay US / unioin wages, add 30% to the cost of a house.

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