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Um, that's a bit of a stretch. CMOS |
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It better than 100% accurate, its 115% accurate! |
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Does it have one of those Faraday coils so you can just shake it back and forth to recharge? K-Marts aren't always open at the front.
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I think the worst concept in the world is outsourcing military and law enforcement arms to foreign countries.
Keep it American made. |
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for the first time in history a soldiers battle load wil contain more weight in batteries than ammunition
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My AR hits where the barrel is a aimed every time. If I could just get the bullet to go where I want it to every time. |
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Let's send it back to the lab and see if the boys can make it larger and more cumbersome.
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I'm gonna turn this into an experimental weapons picture thread, if that's okay with everyone.
I think I even have some of the guns in question. Nevermind. Fricking image host crapped out on me. I'll just tag this for later. |
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I am still skeptical about electronics-based weapons systems.
EMP and electronic warfare being able to nullify ground troops would be too risky. |
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Why? I don't see the point as you're locking out tons of very fine weapons. Doesn't the military require companies to manufacture the weapons in the US? |
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How about hypervelocity rifle rounds? Think we can mass produce a semi-auto rifle for general purpose use with bullets that can crack Mach5 consistently?
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By then we will have plasma rifles in the 40 watt range. |
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All we need is a little plutoninum.
All we need is a little plutoninum. |
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Kinda hard to. NFA fucked over American arms development but good. 86 FOPA ended it. Every great machine gun/firearm ever invented has been created by an individual tinkerer. Now we see shit like this - wonderful.
How old is the person writing this? KICKBACK??? |
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A semi-auto 25mm grenade launcher roughly the size of an M4 is large? Cumbersome no doubt, but so is an M249, bigger tools require bigger tool boxes. |
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I'm not sure when battery phobia became such a big issue. Under that thought we shouldn't use anything that uses a battery, no tanks, planes, humvees, crusie missiles, aimpoints, eo-techs, radio,GPS, etc. We need more spears and horses. |
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You still living in 1944? |
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Exactly. The decision to un-hitch this from the 5.56mm carbine was a good step. The grenade launcher/rifle itself is probably as small as it can get, and given the value of the computerized sight, I'd say its worth the size/weight. |
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The 25mm is made by ATK(Amercian), the other is made by General Dynamics (American). I think the grenade launcher is made by HK but I'm not 100% sure on that. |
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Agreed on all counts. At least some of the development cost of the OICW will go to something good. I believe they are working on some 25mm ammo for close range engagement. Flechette I think. |
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Seems really big and bulky. Think they could slim er down a little
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yeah buddy!!! when i test an infantry rifle i want a treadhead and a gas jockey to test it!!! hahahahahaha go army! |
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Yeah, they're "testing" the rifle. Please. They allowed a couple of soldiers to try the weapon. Very similar to what they did with the XM8. Besides, they have to "idiot-proof" it before the USMC piggybacks another Army innovation. |
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Didn't I see pretty much the same rifle used by the space marines in Aliens?
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hahahaha let the mayhem begin!!! seriously though, that ti sight is shit hot (or cold-do they still have to use that subzero technology?). i hope they can reduce the size... |
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When it was still the OICW it was only a 20mm round, and it got killed largely because the 20mm round was too feeble to be effective. They cobbled a new 25mm round togeather with the projectile from the OCSW and a shorter case. Hopefully the larger projectile has more bang, but I somewhat doubt it. |
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It sure isn't a 40mm, but then the M203 doesn't have the ability to drop them through windows (very often) or explode at a preset distance over the target. I think the added accuracy, firepower and functionality will make up for the desire for a bigger bang. |
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Musta read my mind, brother..... That thing looks awkward as hell. |
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Don't forget that it's semi-auto , so you don't have to send one, you can "double-tap" and send 50mm's of love down range accurately and quickly. It would be interesting if it had a rudimentary MRSI(multiple- rounds- simulatneous- impact) capability. |
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Well there is a minimum. The OICW 20mm was killed in part by manniquin tests that reveiled that it didn't have enough fragment size or velocity to kill most of the time in airburst mode. A old GI steel pot would save most lives, a maniquin dressed in IBV and current kevlar helmet showed only what would probably be only superficial wounds to the face, arms and legs. The only real "ensured" kills were from direct hits in point detonate mode or with the HEDP shaped charge round. Although on the other hand the 20mm HEDP made short work of Level IV body armor. The other part that killed it was that discovery that ranges and cross winds in Afganistan were too much for a projectile going only 750fps. And this 25mm version seems to have been saved by the short range Iraqi street fighting, and since its no longer considered as a replacement for ALL rifles like the OICW was. They can leave it behind when they go to a place like Afganistan, perhaps switching it for the Barrett XM109 that uses the (barely)supersonic 1100fps full charge 25mm OCSW round. |
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Yes, but there are ways around that requirement. |
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Sure, all those things are nice to have in battle, but a well-trained solder can function without them if need be. If the battery in your rifle fails, will it still work? Can the soldier still defend him/herself and their group? |
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That's what M14s are for! And if an M14 craps out on you, you don't have to get new batteries. |
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M14s (and 7.62) aren't that much better for heavy brick walls and nothing sort of a .50 is going to punch through an engine block or a tranny. A volley of 25mm frag would be just the ticket. |
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I think they're essential. People need to quit thinking everything is a one-man / lone-wolf operation. Combined Arms folks. |
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25mm HEDP would be better for the engine block. But otherwise its better to shoot over the wall with the 25mm airburst. Assuming the 25mm can produce enough fragments that are large enough and fast enough to be lethal. Its 20mm version could not, and since we usually have considered the russian 30mmx29 grenade to be marginal- and IT is bigger than this... |
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I hope it comes with a site-adjustment tool.
Or do you just move to another location and everything is fine? |
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