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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:32:16 AM EDT
[#1]
I know in the military we can and do, but the civilian world it may depend on what your terms of service say.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:36:15 AM EDT
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It may have been years since you have had the flu but there is apparently a new strain around that can cause some real damage. We should not forget that we lost more people to flu than we did to combat during WWI. That was a major national disaster. If you are among the people who might be asked to carry some of the load during disasters then I think it would be perfectly reasonable. One shot of vaccine might save some old lady -- or it could keep you healthy enough to save five others.
But from what I hear, the vaccine may not make much difference with this strain, anyway. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:37:06 AM EDT
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don't tven get me started on how manyshots and injections i got in the military, my shot record is like 3 pages long. Those damn airguns hurt like a summbitch.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:38:39 AM EDT
[#4]
Let them fire you, sue, and name the department after your child when the court procedings are over.
We have to sign a waiver if we do not accept flu shots. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:44:21 AM EDT
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Thats what happened at my last station. If you declined, then calling out sick was okay, but it counted as an unexcused absence and you lost a vacation day for it. But she made no mention of it here. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:46:24 AM EDT
[#6]
This a city or county department?
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:51:21 AM EDT
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Anyone remember the "swine flu" fiasco?
Anyone remember how a lot of people came down with chronic fatigue syndrome after they got the shot? Old people died from it? Type up a document stating that they accept all responsibility for any harm caused to you by the innoculations and request they sign it. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 9:05:23 AM EDT
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Then again, there was the 1918 epidemic chnm.gmu.edu/features/voices/ww1flu/listeningtowwith.html A quarter of the population got it, and more than half a million people died. It probably isn't a question of IF it will happen again, but when. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 9:09:28 AM EDT
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You talking around 78 or 79? I was in Germany then, and they gave us 2 flu vaccines - 2 injections. Put our squadron in the dirt. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 10:23:29 AM EDT
[#10]
What happened if your illness was in no way related to influenza? |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 10:35:57 AM EDT
[#11]
You're a heath care worker, which puts you at higher risk of getting sick. Get the shot.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 10:53:11 AM EDT
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Choice. Not going change. How many more will become ill if they contract the illness from healthcare workers or if healthcare workers are ill and cannot take care of them?
I remain entirely unconvinced of that. More likely contract the illness after the outbreak while waiting in line for the shot. Don't wait. Others wouldn't know the difference between the flu, a cold and gastroenteritis if it jumped up and bit them.
That might be the very best reason you have to be vaccinated.
Rubbish. In any event, would you want to bring home a worse strain? Vaccine is made from a killed virus.
Yes. But you don't really have to. You can quit.  And what about your fellow employees and their safety?
Don't be a dipshit. And quit acting like a girl.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 11:00:40 AM EDT
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I understand your concern about your taking the shot meaning that an elderly or very young person will not have access to it.
However, you are an EMT. You most likely come into contact with many more people than average, many of whom are not at their peak of health. You may pick up the flu from one patient and continue to transmit long before you feel any symptoms. THAT is what your employer is concerned about. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 11:03:41 AM EDT
[#14]
When I was a hospital employee they where optional. We had to sign a consent to have the shot because it is potentially dangerous. If they force you to have a flu shot and you get sick or die it seems they would be liable even if you sign.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 11:16:54 AM EDT
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Find a doctor who will give you a medical exemption (based on yourself or a family member) or you can refuse all vaccinations on religious grounds. You should consult an attorney who is familiar with the specific laws in your state. The specific procedures in your state must be followed if you want to successfully fight them.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 11:19:33 AM EDT
[#16]
Total deaths were over 25 million, dude. 675 thousand in the US. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 11:25:04 AM EDT
[#17]
He drjarhead ... do you get flu shots each year?
What do you think of this "bird flu" stuff that's been in the news a lot lately? |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 11:42:52 AM EDT
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Well thanks for your thoughts guys and gals. I'll take them under advisement. It all just seems strange that after 5 yrs with these people, are now demanding we get innoculated.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 12:50:24 PM EDT
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Well I for one do. Think I was 'Group A' in 2000. Man, that shit kicked my ass. Went to bed with a 101 fever, and the next morning found me going to the Ft Sam Er with a 103.7. I was AFU in the worst way. I've had my share of injuries, but nothing like this ever floored me that bad. I was worthless. The hosp called me I gues it was 2 days after my visit and confirmed to me that I indeed did have Influenza Group A (IIRC Group A). They wanted to admit me, especially if I still had a fever which I did. I refused, and continued to take their meds. Think I had a fever for a total of 4 days before it returned to normal. As it was explained to me, the Inf virus weakens the body - in my case - to the point that it is extremely susceptible to infection. I ended up with pnemonia and a massive sinus infection. Doc gave me some T#3, and I was like 'WTF do I need those?' Next day, I felt like every inch of me had been beaten with a bat - my entire hurt like never before. I'm a big healthy guy, and I can see how that could've been a HUGE problem for a child, the elderly, etc. I hadn't had a flu shot in 4 years or so. Friend, get the flu shot. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 12:50:59 PM EDT
[#20]
Some things ARE worth doing on principle, despite the fact it is out of fashion in today's world. I would tell them to pound sand, and I WOULD sue if they pushed the issue. No job is EVER worth your manhood or dignity. (Yes, I HAVE walked the walk on that issue, to the point of my wife and I being almost homeless because I quit my job on moral grounds.) What job do you do where your employer is paying for vaccinations? Will they supervise and dictate your diet if you have diabetes, to make sure you are not a greater health burden? Maybe they should require abortions so they don't have to pay maternity leave........ 
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:06:27 PM EDT
[#21]
'78
I was in Germany, got the shot and was down 48 hours with the flu |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:14:41 PM EDT
[#22]
A pregnant wife is a great reason to get vaccinated so that you don't bring home the real thing. IMPORTANT NOTE: The Flu shot is killed virus. Ok. The Nasal Spray is live virus, and NOT OK if you have a pregnant wife at home. I am not a doctor. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:22:48 PM EDT
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You bet your ass I do. Immunity may be partial. It may wane by the end of the season and it is possible to contract in spite of vaccination. Some years they do not pick the correct strains and people still get the flu. I got it last year in April after being vaccinated. On the day before my vacation. Of course......  I knew what it wsa right away though and starting taking tamiflu immediately as well as relenza. Next day I was 90% and we left on our trip.
Matter of time. Might be this year, might be much longer. Nobody knows for sure. Going to be bad when it makes the jump to humans. I have posted on this ad nauseum many times. Do a search. Just don't feel like going thru it all right now. I'll be glad to anser individual questions if I can. We'll do better here overall then third worlders. If it hits Africa....
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:24:02 PM EDT
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I made an error - I have my original shot records here (thought they were in the safety deposit box) The two vaccines were not in 78 or 79, they were in 76 - they gave me the Swine flu (1.0cc) and Hong Kong flu (o.5cc) vaccinations. I just received one injection for flu in 78 and 79. Just wanted to clear that up. EDIT: But sitting here thinking about it, I could swear I remember walking down the center of the Rhein Main theater and them stabbing both arms...shrugs...FIIK. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:26:10 PM EDT
[#25]
Not to mention, IIRC, this year's vaccination is last year's strain plus a SWAG at what they think might be a problem this year.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong - I didn't get much training in immunizations. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:27:25 PM EDT
[#26]
Good advice. Further I would add that influenza can be devastating for pregnant women. They didn't treat you right away? Medical care in the military is pretty sucky for sure. You know what it is now. Most are clueless, take my word. We have rapid tests now, take about 20 minutes to get results back from a NP swab. Loads of fun. 
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:32:17 PM EDT
[#27]
I think a lobotomy is a requirement for working at the DMV... I'm affraid to find out, they're probably quicker with an ice pick than calling your number.
Edited for spelling of lobotomy. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:44:18 PM EDT
[#28]
Not if ya hold still!  I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that can't force you to have medical treatment: some strict religious groups shun modern medicine. If all else fails and you don't want to get the shots (and you never agreed to it prior to your employment) I say decline on religious grounds and see what happens. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:46:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Doc gave me anit-b's that day for the pneumonia and sinus inf and the T3s. That was it. He told me he was pretty sure I had the flu, and that it was gonna get worse. Also gave me a note and said take 2 weeks off work. Guess I only took 5 or 6 days off - but I swear it was a couple weeks before I felt better. Man, no shit... I've had Giardia/Crypto at the same time, been FU from accidents...but that was the sickest I've ever been. A monumental time in my life. Plus my Bipolar (now-ex) wife, would not drive me to the hosp that morning...sheesh. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:49:47 PM EDT
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I would respectfully disagree. ETA: Get the dang shot and protect those you contact during your duties. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 7:00:09 PM EDT
[#31]
I don't care.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 7:59:36 PM EDT
[#32]
You can take tamiflu and relenza at the same time eh?
I aquired myself a course of tamiflu to have on hand after reading about how the government is hoarding it now. Maybe I should look into getting some relenza as well. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:11:45 PM EDT
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not really. I took the relenza and then took the tamiflu 3x daily instead of twice daily as rec. What can I say. I have been sick on every vacation I have taken for the past 12 years and there was no way. All I can say is that it kicked the shit out of the flu. Trick though is taking it as soon as possible after the onset of symptoms.
Hey, do as I say, not as I do.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:17:34 PM EDT
[#34]
Are those script only or OTC? |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:20:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Rx only |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:26:40 PM EDT
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You can get them shipped in from overseas without a prescription. A friend and I bought some from http://drugdelivery.ca and have a tracking number with scheduled delivery for this week. I just noticed that the price on 10 pills has gone up on that website by $25 over what it was when we ordered. Must be lots of people paniced by the increased media attention lately. It costs a little more than getting it here, but my doc wanted to have a damn office visit for me to talk about getting a note for it. Said I should just get some when I start getting symptoms. Time for a new doc. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:40:22 PM EDT
[#37]
Thanks, guys.
I'll call the base on Monday and see if it's on the Formulary for us retired folks. Otherwise, I'll pay for it. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:44:28 PM EDT
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Wimp. On that note, don't ever do an arm workout and then get an airgun injection. |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:53:16 PM EDT
[#39]
They can absolutely make it a condition of employment. You can refuse the flu shot and TB test, and they can fire you for doing so if they wish. You can sue and you can lose based on public health law and Dept of Health requirements for ambulance services and any health care based business. Children can be refused admission to school based on lack of vaccines if the parents refuse them. Colleges can refuse you admission if you do not have your MMR shot. So get used to the fact that you may be required to get shots to maintain employment.
The PPD test is not a treatment. The flu shot is given so YOU don't become a vector of the disease to the patients you may treat, like the elderly and children who may have weakened/less developed immune systems. |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 6:33:29 AM EDT
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When was your last "General Checkup"? If it has been over a year, they may want to make sure all of your nuts and bolts are generally running OK before throwing something out over the phone. I got a couple Z-Packs and a few other items for the medbag from the doc with a phone call, but I had seen him only 4 months prior for the "Tune Up" (Something you should do once you are over 30-ish) |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 6:40:22 AM EDT
[#41]
Leave his nuts out of this. |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 7:56:48 AM EDT
[#42]
I'm a health care worker also. I dont' get the flu shot and haven't gotten the flu in spite of doing flu tests and getting a lot of positive results a couple years ago during the flu hysteria year. I was reading about contaminated vaccines during the last flu shot hysteria. If a terroroist wanted to do some damage all they would have to do is watch the news and work with whatever the latest hysteria was. Flu is rarly fatal, especially in healty folks. Sure there have been a few pandemics of a very virulent strain but by the time the vaccine comes out there are new strains. Everytime a vaccine is invented they make that disease out to be the end of all mankind. |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 8:00:32 AM EDT
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There are medical, philosophical and religious exemptions for state mandated vaccinations. The specific exemption varies by the laws of the state that you reside in and may also be subject to a union bargaining agreement for employer mandated type vaccinations.
You should not assume that that your school district or employer has the legal right to require you or your child to be vaccinated. |
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