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Posted: 9/20/2005 2:16:55 AM EDT
Wow has it even been a day?
link North Korea Demands Nuke Reactor From U.S. By JAE-SOON CHANG SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea said Tuesday it would not dismantle its nuclear weapons program until the United States first provides an atomic energy reactor, casting doubt on its commitment to a breakthrough agreement reached at international arms talks. The North insisted during arms talks that began last week in Beijing that it be given a light-water reactor, a type less easily diverted for weapons use, in exchange for abandoning nuclear weapons. The agreement reached at the talks' end Monday - the first since the negotiations began in August 2003 - says the six countries in the negotiations will discuss the reactor issue ``at an appropriate time.'' Both the United States and Japan, members of the six-nation disarmament talks, rejected the North's latest demand. ``This is not the agreement that they signed and we'll give them some time to reflect on the agreement they signed,'' U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said in New York, where he was with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at meetings of the U.N. Security Council. ``The Japanese side has continuously said that North Korea's demand is unacceptable,'' Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura told reporters. The Beijing agreement called for the North to abandon it arms efforts and accept inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency in exchange for energy, economic and security aid. But the North's statement Tuesday indicated it was again raising the reactor demand as a prerequisite for disarming. ``We will return to the NPT and sign the safeguards agreement with the IAEA and comply with it immediately upon the U.S. provision of LWRs, a basis of confidence-building to us,'' the North's Foreign Ministry said in the statement, carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency. ``The U.S. should not even dream of the issue of (North Korea's) dismantlement of its nuclear deterrent before providing LWRs,'' the North said. The impact of the North's statement wasn't immediately clear. During the years of debate over its weapons program, the communist nation has sometimes given confusing or dramatic statements as it publicly maneuvers for negotiating leverage. Other countries at the talks made clear that the reactor could only be discussed after the North rejoins the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and accepts inspections from the International Atomic Energy Agency - which North Korea pledged to do in Monday's agreement. U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli emphasized earlier in Washington that the ``appropriate time'' for discussing the reactor means only after the North comes in compliance with those conditions. ``It's a theoretical proposition in the future, contingent on dismantling having taken place, resigning up to the NPT and having IAEA safeguards in place,'' he said Monday in Washington. The North's position is likely to be a major sticking point in talks slated to begin in early November on implementing Monday's agreement. The North had demanded during the six-nation talks in Beijing - which include China, Japan, Russia, the United States and the two Koreas - that it be allowed to keep a civilian nuclear program for power generation after it disarms. But the United States strongly opposed the demand, and Monday's agreement only acknowledged that the North had ``stated'' its claim to that right. The administration of U.S. President George W. Bush has opposed anything resembling a 1994 U.S.-North Korea agreement, which promised the North two light-water reactors for power. That project stalled amid the current crisis that broke out in late 2002 over the North's resumed nuclear weapons program. Associated Press writer Burt Herman in Beijing contributed to this report. 09/19/05 23:14 Can't we just bomb them to death already? No ground war just an asskicking? Seriously who really gives a danmed about them? |
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No, we cant bomb them. We have to fight a War on Terror against a country that had nothing to do with it and that costs us billions.
And we've put ourself into a position we cant get out of. Thanks Bush! |
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No shit. Hell, maybe we should stop the food shipments then see what tune he sings. |
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I say just nuke them. Nobody will help them. Nobody is that stupid. We fly recon planes over there that take photos so why not fly about 20 of them over and push out a present for each city.
Fuck enough already. |
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Actually, even if we did not invade Iraq we could not invade North Korea. You may have forgotten the small country to its north with a small army that intervened the last time we invaded NK. That and some intelligence sources believe NK has had nukes since the Clinton administration. |
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I have news for you: China isn't the backward power it once was. It is a thoroughly modern power with a massive air force and technology as good as ours. (Thanks, Mr. Clinton!) China can hold Taiwan hostage and can be supplied by Russia in case of a conflict with the US. China is not a paper tiger. Fighting them would cost America a LOT, and frankly I don't think America is willing to pay the price. China is in a better position because their entire populace is enslaved, so they don't really have to worry about public opinion. North Korea is jerking us around because Kim Jong Il, that narcissistic bastard, knows he can get away with it. Because of all the "careful" and "measured" foreign policy the libbies have demanded for years, he now has nukes and the ability to do as he pleases. |
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... Who in this crowd popped the cork of their finest bubbly upon North Korea's original proclamation?
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+1 I'm beginning to wonder if Baghdad Bob isn't over there running the show behind the scenes. |
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They don't need long range capability. They have sufficient nuclear capability to pose a threat to every country in the region, countries that could not hope to resist them. Whether you realize it or not that complicates the situation. Maybe you didn't get the memo, but asymetric warfare is the rule of the day. Lots of folks would be willing to take various actions on China's behalf should it come to a conflict with the US.
Russia will do what is in its own interests when the lead starts flying. Just like all nations do. You seem far more optomistic about a conflict with China than our military planners do, BTW. Methinks they have a better grasp of the situation than you do.... |
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One country I wouldn't under-estimate would be China. vmax84 |
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You may care to do some reading here, then rethink your statement. communities.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=57;t=000004;p=1 thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=8 |
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Japan's military is TINY. China can vaporize Tokyo. Whether you recognize it or not, that complicates things.
It means that Russia is an unreliable entity for ANYONE. Unpredictables with lots of military hardware, a desperate economic situation and nuclear weapons hardly makes things more simple.
There is no such thing as an "easy fight", ESPECIALLY if it goes nuclear. Things are dramatically more complicated and dangerous than you realize. I believe in such a conflict the US will prevail, but at what cost? Do you SERIOUSLY understand the consequences of unleashing the nuclear genie again? Do you have ANY idea what that would mean for the US? We can't put panties on the heads of a few Iraqi prisoners without half the world screaming, including half the population in THIS country, and you expect that when we start slinging nukes around that suddenly everyone will become more sensible rather than less? Hardly. |
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We don't fight wars to see who eats crow. People die in wars. Our best soldiers die. The helpless and innocent die. War is not to be treated with such frivolity. |
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Uhhh..... If you think war is ever "simple", then you lack historical perspective. If you think that nuclear war is "easy", then you seem to lack common sense. And if your last sentence expressed your true sentiments, then you seem to lack sanity as well.... |
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If they only have a couple dozen nukes, that's enough to incinerate every large city we have and take out 3/4 of our population (and a slow death by the way). No one wins. I'm not against self defense, but Jesus, why wish for it. Go away, yer such an idiot. |
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Cindy Sheehan Mode On We don't fight wars to see who gets the oil. Everybody dies in war (uh... people die anyway Cindy). Oh my son, he died in war (uh... how about Chinese babies getting aborted during "peacetime"). The poor, helpless, and innocent commies might suffer, sniffle sniffle, cry cry. War is so special, war complicates things, gazillions of years of armed conflict can't be right. Damn you Rove! Cindy Sheehan Mode Off |
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I don't understand why we've not told them straight out, "We're only at a cease fire, the war never ended, cease your nuclear program or will nuke you into the stone age, end of story, what will it be"?
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You were expecting someone who posts 1300 times in one month to actually THINK before he posts? Silly man. |
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I guess I was right about the whole sanity thing.... |
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I doubt it. He is suspended by IP, which means that unless he is at a library computer or something he isn't posting. Sarge never sounded that nutty either. |
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Thanks for playing who's the biggest fool in the thread. Feel free to run for office on the "America whoop-ass vs The Planet" platform. Until then, the adults will weigh our real options out there. |
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There is a difference between being an appeaser and having a sober understanding of what war means, especially NUCLEAR war. Nobody wins a nuclear war. You just survive them if you are lucky. |
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We have won and survived a nuclear war. It was WW2. We dropped two nukes on one country that we had already isolated, whose allies we had already broken, whose homeland we were about to invade. We didn't "have to" nuke Japan. But we did so in order to save more of OUR soldier's lives. Historians and even the Japanese grudgingly admit that continuing a conventional war would have cost more of THEIR lives, too. But somehow you think we won't do it again with an enemy the magnitude of China? We're actually MORE likely to use Nukes against China because of the cost of a conventional war. |
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Man, no shit. I hadn't noticed that. Is he Sarge? EDIT: I hadn't made it to the second page...looks like TxLewis beat me to it. HAHA |
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Other Boards I post on, a statement such as this requires supportive evidence such as links, articles, National Policy, etc. Got any? |
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I am a chairborne ranger Live a life of imaginary danger Expert in all matters of combat 'Long as I don't have to leave where I'm at Chairborne, chairborne, Nothing can beat the feel! Chairborne, chairborne, Just don't ask us to do it for real! |
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Just for kicks here a good read. www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/dod/npr.htm
So let's see: critical role of nukes, WMD and conventional forces, strategic/political objectives, immediate or potential contingency. |
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So Americans have to decide wether or not they want to bleed to death over generations or fight. We've decided to fight the muslim hordes now instead of passing the buck onto future generations. The decision with China will be easier and the changeover from posturing (Clinton) to war (Bush) will be broader because China is a commie nation with clear targets. The best Chinese: engineers, businessmen, workers, etc... will defect to the USA when the war starts. Afterwards, China as a world power will collapse from internal dissent and pressure from the USA. Then our soldiers get first dibs at Chinese hotties who know how to cook and clean! Woohoo! |
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You're killing me, Klub.
Two points and I'm gone. 1. Did you read the very next paragraph from the page you linked? Here it is:
2. Did you notice the date of the paper you quoted?
Neither side has been sitting on their collective hands in the last 3.5 years. If you would do some research regarding China's aggressive actions to modernize and strengthen its military, you would see your comments as others do; infantile and careless. Bye. |
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China's population is 1.3 billion and 99.99% of them are extremely poor. The PLA spends most of its resources keeping those people from revolting. If the CCP does anything to upset the populus, (like attack Taiwan, Japan, South Korea or US) you'll see riots an the chinese empire will fall apart into warring factions as it has done for the last 1000 years.
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So now I am the great white hope of the chinese hordes........ Ya. Sure. You're a looney. |
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I don't know shit
But I can type These mofos will believe my hype I link to articles That are three years old ARFCOM folks are stupid so I'm told I just signed up But I ain't gonna pay Folks say I won't be around long anyway Why should I cough up 24 bucks I really don't give a flying fux I just came here To stir up shit And no I ain't from the gubmint So that's about all Whaddya say? I just want to argue anyway. |
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Somebody needs to re-write blood upon the risers to accurately reflect Klub and the Chairborne Ranger Regiment properly....
He's the baddest of the rangers, all other members shake with fright, As he logs onto the internet to start a pointless fight All the world will know his prowess, all will tremble at the sight He's gonna be the best post whore! Glory glory the chairborne rangers! Who can face all sorts of imaginary dangers! Rough and ready for any action Always at the vanguard of the fight! He's gonna be the best post whore! He types another diatribe, loaded with wit and skill And when he sees them floundering, he moves in for the kill He leaves with self assurance and pride in his iron will He's gonna be the best post whore! Glory glory the chairborne rangers! Who can face all sorts of imaginary dangers! Rough and ready for any action Always at the vanguard of the fight! He's gonna be the best post whore! Like the Huns the mods all come in and warn him to tone it down But our hero will ignore them because he is a big ass-clown Finally he's banned and the site raises a joyful sound! It's the end of another post whore! There was blood upon the GD and the Pit is all in flames As the death of our chairborne ranger receives some passing fame Some will say good riddance, most will just forget his name! It's the end of another post whore! |
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