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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:11:57 PM EDT
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Find another job?
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:14:09 PM EDT
[#2]
Rent "American Beauty" and get back to us.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:15:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Babble incoherently in your managers office while carrying a large pistol mexican carry
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:15:42 PM EDT
[#4]
I'm serious. And going postal is not an option, so please don't suggest it.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:17:20 PM EDT
[#5]
You have a lot more bargaining power when you have another job waiting on you.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:17:30 PM EDT
[#6]
+1 You can ask nicely or prepare to leave and ask with a little more determination 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:19:48 PM EDT
[#7]
+2 I told my boss that I had found another job and was giving my two weeks notice, and he responded by giving me a $1500 a month raise on the spot. It kept me here. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:21:06 PM EDT
[#8]
Yup, but don't bluff if you aren't willing to leave........use the ask nicely option
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:22:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Just ask. If they say no, apply at said "sister" company. If they want you goto your boss and say heres my notice.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:22:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:23:16 PM EDT
[#11]
This will work. Two things, don't be surprised/insulted if they say goodbye, because many bosses are more conscious of money than quality workers. I am very good at what I do, and every single time I have told bosses that I found a better job, they told me good luck and I can return any time I want. None even asked what the raise was. Knowing this, rule #2 is easy, if you play this card, and they say no, you HAVE to leave, otherwise they know they have you. Forever. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:27:43 PM EDT
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I don't want to leave. I like the job, but hate the pay and lack of recognition.
What about taking data to my boss, showing Salary.com surveys and showing him what the "sister" company pays? |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:30:17 PM EDT
[#13]
If you aint willing to walk out, you have -0- power.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:31:09 PM EDT
[#14]
This is simple. Just ask your boss for its review and raise time yet.
Ask him about once a week until he gets the picture. Failing that, find another job. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:31:58 PM EDT
[#15]
It doesn't matter what Salary.com says your worth, it matters what your boss thinks you're worth. Since you obviously disagree, I'd say being ready to walk would be your best backup strategy. As an aside, one of the reasons I left Boise was every single employer I interviewed with in Ada and Canyon counties lowballed me to the point of insult. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:35:29 PM EDT
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As an aside, one of the reasons I left Boise was every single employer I interviewed with in Ada and Canyon counties lowballed me to the point of insult.
You said it. The problem is there is always some desperate soul willing to take their shitty offer. Sadly, everyone takes it up the ass when this happens. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:39:28 PM EDT
[#17]
Do what I do.
Less work My spill is you get what you pay for. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:40:39 PM EDT
[#18]
Try talking to your employer about the market value of your position, assuming that it is higher than where you are currently, and ask what you would need to do to earn it.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:43:42 PM EDT
[#19]
"Boss I have been working my ass off and my productivity is 25% more than everyone else. I think I deserve a 25% raise or a promotion."
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:47:02 PM EDT
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+1 But don't become too displaced by slacking off all the time. Do the minimal amount of work needed not to be recognized as slacking. Do just enough to stay beneath their radar. That way if they don't give you the raise, you won't feel too bad about it and have plenty of time to look for employment elsewhere that might be harder but pay better. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:52:56 PM EDT
[#21]
+1 |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:58:50 PM EDT
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best way to ask for a raise is when you are holding a job offer from that "sister" company.
Seriously, you ask for a raise when you are holding that job offer you are golden. You tell them you really like the company and that you don't want to leave and that you have a lot to offer but you have to do what's best for your family. If they say piss off, you walk and take the higher offer at the other company. Best way to ask for a raise. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:05:51 PM EDT
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YEA RIGHT: Gotcha by the balls they are getting the work out of you now so why should they pay you more??? Corprate America SUCKS +1 to the gotta still do a little work, Like clean up after the other monkeys who are always screwing shit up. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:08:51 PM EDT
[#24]
"If you ever wanna see your family alive again..."
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:12:43 PM EDT
[#25]
Maybe he is paying you what he thinks you are worth now, ASK HIM
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:13:15 PM EDT
[#26]
How does the rest of the job stack up compared to your collegues? What exactly do you do? Money isn't everything. I'd rather have less money and more freedom or time off. Are you easily replaceable? You must consider those items and look at your contribution to profibility. Are you working to make the company more money or are you working to meet your goals and keep your job? |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:24:59 PM EDT
[#28]
If you're not willing to leave, your employer has no incentive to give you a raise.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:32:45 PM EDT
[#29]
How does the rest of the job stack up compared to your collegues? What exactly do you do? Money isn't everything. I'd rather have less money and more freedom or time off. Are you easily replaceable?
You must consider those items and look at your contribution to profibility. Are you working to make the company more money or are you working to meet your goals and keep your job? I don't want to go into a lot of detail, but the company spent a considerable amount of money training me over the years. I have a good reputation in the industry and am well known. I did have a lucrative offer from a company in another city, but turned it down. At the time, it was better for my family to remain here. I'm extremely loyal to my company and frequently put in extra time at no charge. Like I said, the only thing I don't like is the pay. I want parity. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 7:36:14 PM EDT
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I told my previous employer that I was underpaid, and that he had 30 days to respond. 16 days later I tendered my resignation and two weeks' notice. 30 days after my "ultimatum" I started my current job.
In my case, the money at the previous place was not that bad, but the position and the work were not really good for my career, long-term. I basically told the old place that I either needed to change my position to be more in keeping with my career goals or I'd find someplace more suited to what I wanted to be doing. I don't really consider what I did to be bluffing, as I really wanted to go. I was not surprised that the former employer didn't counter-offer, and they weren't surprised when I left. They wish they had me now, but I'm certainly not sorry I left! They're in deep shit right now, and I'm just glad I got out before my career got sucked down the tubes with everyone else's. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 8:26:18 PM EDT
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There are some good answers to your questions here; however, here's another way to look at it... Consider your long term goals. Can you get there from here (where you are presently)? If the answer is no and the reason is lack of funds it would seem your course is pretty clear unless you want to change long term goals.
This bears repeating--> "money isn't everything". If your present employer compensates you better in other ways (e.g. vacation, training, telecommuting, whatever,...) then perhaps you aren't so underpayed after all. Compensation is what you want to compare, not just $$$...which is simply a component of compensation. Good luck! |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 8:56:31 PM EDT
[#32]
Exactly. Don't bother negotiating unless you can do so from a position of strength. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 9:19:06 PM EDT
[#33]
Let's see. Your boss knows that you will accept lower pay, and put in unpaid overtime to boot, so his incentive to give you more money is what, exactly? There is another name for "loyalty" -- it is called "sucker". Wait till you need one of those unpaid hours back because your kid is sick or something and see what they tell you -- "What unpaid overtime?" First rule, never put in unpaid overtime because that's part of your life that you will never get back and it certainly won't get you the gratitude it should. I don't care how nice your boss is, you are screwing yourself. You will get a two percent raise forever unless you decide to change companies -- or give your employer an ultimatum. Get another job lined up and prepare to move. Then tell your boss and give him a choice. Salary surveys and all the rest don't mean jack shit until you do that. But, remember, you can only do that routine a maximum of once before you are going to have to take the other offer. It may get your raise now but it poisons the relationship forever. You can't go back and do that every six months to keep your salary in parity. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 10:25:16 PM EDT
[#34]
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