Is it necessary to have a 308 rifle and if so why?

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Posted: 9/11/2005 11:14:58 AM EDT

Right now in my collection I have a few categories of weapons
Field rifles(a4gery, DMR A4grey, SPR)

Close Quarters Rifles-General purpose rifles(Two M4geries one close configured one field configured, Two Ak clones same as above)

Long range rifles( 308 rem PSS, 3006 rem 700)

Shotguns(mossy 590 a1)

Do I really need a 308 battle rifle category, Why did you buy a 308 rifle? What will a 308 rifle do that my 5.56 field guns are incapable of? Should I focus instead on buying more AR15 type rifles and mags or should I invest in a 308 rifle now before it is two late.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:16:02 AM EDT

[#1]

faster followup shots, harder punch all at ranges beyond what the 5.56 can do

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:16:08 AM EDT

[#2]

Who the hell said anything about need?

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:16:41 AM EDT

[#3]

Since you've got comparable (or better) cartridges in bolt guns, I wouldn't worry about it.

Unless you WANT one - then by all means get one

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:17:17 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Who the hell said anything about need?

my thoughts exactly

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:19:13 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
faster followup shots, harder punch all at ranges beyond what the 5.56 can do

Faster follow up shots

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:19:31 AM EDT

[#6]

do not use the word "need" when referring to individual liberties. Liberty itself is a luxury and a matter of "want" not "need."

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:20:09 AM EDT

[#7]

Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.

Sheep

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:21:36 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
do not use the word "need" when referring to individual liberties. Liberty itself is a luxury and a matter of "want" not "need."

EXACTLY!

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:21:51 AM EDT

[#9]

Just get a CMP Garand, They will always be worth something as well.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:21:58 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.

Sheep

I like the way you think.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:23:05 AM EDT

[#11]

Because blam, click, shuck click isnt near as fun or cool as
BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM.........................

DaddyDettt

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:23:49 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Quoted:
faster followup shots, harder punch all at ranges beyond what the 5.56 can do

Faster follow up shots

lemmie clarify

faster followups than the bolt guns

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:25:12 AM EDT

[#13]

FAL

just because

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:26:57 AM EDT

[#14]

Turning cover into concealment since 1954.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:28:38 AM EDT

[#15]

Sylvan beat me to it:

With 5.56mm, most cars are cover; with 7.62mm, they're concealment.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:31:42 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.

Sheep

Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:31:50 AM EDT

[#17]

I was convinced to plan a .308 into my arsenal after reading Boston's Gun Bible and Fred's M14 Corner in Shotgun News. Both make a convincing argument to have a .308.; most of the argument revolves around what Sylvan said above...

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:35:10 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
I was convinced to plan a .308 into my arsenal after reading Boston's Gun Bible and Fred's M14 Corner in Shotgun News. Both make a convincing argument to have a .308.; most of the argument revolves around what Sylvan said above...

Boston's Gub Bible convinced me to get a .308

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:47:29 AM EDT

[#19]

.308 holes make invisable souls

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:51:55 AM EDT

[#20]

You need one to punch through body armor and cars.

You've heard of crooks using vests and bumpers to break in.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:55:16 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
.308 holes make invisable souls

Man, that's one to put in my quote book.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:57:04 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Sylvan beat me to it:

With 5.56mm, most cars are cover; with 7.62mm, they're concealment.

I think that the Mythbusters put that whole "hide behind the car" thing to bed a long time ago... and if I remember correctly they were using various weapons including those that fired 5.56 and 7.62.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:58:33 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I was convinced to plan a .308 into my arsenal after reading Boston's Gun Bible and Fred's M14 Corner in Shotgun News. Both make a convincing argument to have a .308.; most of the argument revolves around what Sylvan said above...

Boston's Gub Bible convinced me to get a .308

+1

Then AR15.com convinced me to "Get Both"

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:59:23 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
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.308 holes make invisable souls

Man, that's one to put in my quote book.

I've heard different versions of that saying...

- .308 holes make for for empty souls

- Invisible souls leave .308 holes.

All good quotes though.

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:03:30 PM EDT

[#25]

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faster followup shots, harder punch all at ranges beyond what the 5.56 can do

Faster follow up shots

lemmie clarify

faster followups than the bolt guns

Aha, now I understand

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:04:37 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.

Sheep
Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything

You're very worrying

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:05:23 PM EDT

[#27]

With a 308Win/7.62NATO, people are going find out the difference between cover and concealment real fast because the 308Win/7.62NATO will penetrate whereas 223Rem/5.56NATO won't.

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:09:06 PM EDT

[#28]

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Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.

Sheep
Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything

You're very worrying

Don't listen to him.

We should all be so prepared - glad to see you didnt forget the food and water!
Now go over to the Survival Forum and get fully prepped.

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:15:20 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
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Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.

Sheep
Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything

You're very worrying

Don't listen to him.

We should all be so prepared - glad to see you didnt forget the food and water!
Now go over to the Survival Forum and get fully prepped.

I am trying to get to the point of having a magellen, a night vision device, and a IR laser in each bag. After that I am going to complete my survellance and field computer integration project. I have a couple of the cameras already.

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:17:27 PM EDT

[#30]

If you already have a fast shooter for close up work,
and a large caliber rifle for anything long range,
you don't really NEED a semi .308 .

Most people wind up staying with the intermediate rifle
cartridge weapons anyway.

Personnally,I skipped the whole intermediate cartridge class
and went strait to the .308 in the first place.

Sure you can put 5.56 rounds through a car at closer ranges ,but
they are often deflected from their original target before they get there.

That's not including some cargo ,or heavier vehicles.

.308 will go through cargo ,passengers,even the wheels themselves
without a lot of problem.

Semi auto .308s make things happen .NOW.

You can stop a person,deer,bear,Buick,or a Peter Built with
a semi-auto .308.

Cinder block walls can be penetrated with it as well.

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:21:18 PM EDT

[#31]

I have a pre-ban AR, HK-91, Mossberg 500 and custom made 300winmag Rem 700. Each one has a specific purpose and if I have to bugout on foot and chose one rifle(and ammo) to carry over a significant distance it will be the AR. If I have to bugin the .308 is just fine for better penetration in an urban environment.

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:32:01 PM EDT

[#32]

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Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.

Sheep
Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything

You're very worrying

Don't listen to him.

We should all be so prepared - glad to see you didnt forget the food and water!
Now go over to the Survival Forum and get fully prepped.
I am trying to get to the point of having a magellen, a night vision device, and a IR laser in each bag. After that I am going to complete my survellance and field computer integration project. I have a couple of the cameras already.

wont do much after you dehydrate with out a good h20 filter

762 all the way here,,,,,

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:33:49 PM EDT

[#33]

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Of course there is a need.

It is your duty as an American to own as many firearms as you can afford and to have on hand a viable supply of magazines and ammunition for each one.

Sheep
Right now each of my weapons systems is set up with a full go bag. Each go bag contains a level 4 plate carrier with full mag pouch and survival pouch load out. Each vest can support up to 12 magazines, 4 ammo pouch carriers for bolt guns, 2 ammo bags for shotgun. Also contained in the bags are BDUs, MREs, field survival gear, 1 camel pack, 1 M9 pistol with surefire flashlight or M6 insight flashlight and 8 magazines, and two canteens. I am ready for just about anything

You're very worrying

Don't listen to him.

We should all be so prepared - glad to see you didnt forget the food and water!
Now go over to the Survival Forum and get fully prepped.
I am trying to get to the point of having a magellen, a night vision device, and a IR laser in each bag. After that I am going to complete my survellance and field computer integration project. I have a couple of the cameras already.

wont do much after you dehydrate with out a good h20 filter

762 all the way here,,,,,

each kit contains survival kit many many things in survival kit filter, medkit, chemlights and a lot of other goodies far two numerous to list.

Posted: 9/11/2005 12:57:24 PM EDT

[#34]

I have more FALs than ARs.

Posted: 9/11/2005 1:09:40 PM EDT

[#35]

ARE YOU NOT A MAN?

Posted: 9/11/2005 1:13:18 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
ARE YOU NOT A MAN?

Hell I thought I was what have you heard and were are they

Posted: 9/11/2005 1:49:00 PM EDT

[#37]

If I remember correctly even brick and mortar will yeild a loophole to .308 in rather short order. Not much gets between .308 and it's target.

Posted: 9/11/2005 1:54:45 PM EDT

[#38]

wanted to write a nuanced answer, but instead I will tag.

Short version: No. 7.62 nato not vital to survival.

Posted: 9/11/2005 2:33:05 PM EDT

[#39]

IMHO, it's a personal choice, based on what you expect to have to do with your rifles. Need doesn't really enter into it. The only thing I NEED is my right to own whatever damm rifles I want, and all of my other assorted rights.

First, there's our "toy" weapons, ones we own just because they're cool and we want them, not because we expect to have to do anything important with.

Then, you get into what you think you'll want to have for the important stuff. This is based on your personal views on why you might want to have these rifles and other survival gear. We all know the trade-offs - .308 gives you better penetration of people and cover, the ability to work at longer ranges, and greater incapaciataion power, at the price of more weight for rifle and ammo and slower rate of fire. Are you looking to survive through a local disaster, like in New Orleans? Or are you planning for a major, nationwide SHTF event? What, exactly, are you planning to do, and what are the best tools for the job?

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:08:55 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
ARE YOU NOT A MAN?

You could be right.
Maybe he's suffering from small man syndrome

BTW guys, all this talk about 7.62 vs 5.56 penetration and stopping power....how many people came back from WW2 with wounds from .30-06, 7.92 and .303????
Answer: Plenty

Mark

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:21:25 PM EDT

[#41]

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:22:47 PM EDT

[#42]

Hmm. I dont know about .308 But I'll take the new 6.5 grendel comming out with a 16 inch barrel that can make head shots out to 900 yards and still punch through 4 inches of pine. Or if you got the cash, the GDMR (Grendel Designated Marksmen Rifle)

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:24:08 PM EDT

[#43]

.30 caliber battle rifles are fun and depending on which ammo you choose, can actually be less expensive to feed than the 5.56. I just bought another 980rd. of SA 7.62x51 for $147+ shipping and XM193 is now well over $200 per 1000.

Not sure i would want to have to hump a full size model with spare mags and 500rd. of ammo, but they can sure work great at static defense. The "indigs" in certain parts of Afrika used to call the FN FAL the "Death Stick"

(with good reason)

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:24:21 PM EDT

[#44]

I think an M1 Garand would be a nice thing to have.
It is 30-06, and when loaded with Black Tip AP Ammo...it is perfect for zapping things behind cover.

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:30:01 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
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Sylvan beat me to it:

With 5.56mm, most cars are cover; with 7.62mm, they're concealment.

I think that the Mythbusters put that whole "hide behind the car" thing to bed a long time ago... and if I remember correctly they were using various weapons including those that fired 5.56 and 7.62.

I was referring to CMU (concrete masonry unit, aka cinder block) preferred building material the world around. 7.62 will penetrate, 5.56 will not (as I understand it, I haven't personally tested it)
For the US Military, built around fire and manuever and a heavy emphasis on suppresion, I believe the current 5.56 round is quite good when augmented with a DM with a 7.62 semi and an M240 per squad.
For the individual beating back the hessians, suppression is better off abandoned in favor of single shots killing bad guys. 7.62 does this better.
If you can't get it done in 140 rounds, you won't be going home anyway.

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:40:03 PM EDT

[#46]

To quote a fellow Arfcomer
"If it takes 20 rounds of 762 as doesnt die, It just dont die"

You need a midrange MBR,.. Try an 18" M1A.

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:50:18 PM EDT

[#47]

I would have a .308 before I had a .223...

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:52:58 PM EDT

[#48]

What are you going to do with them?

For me the .308 ability to turn cover into concealment is the primary reason that I carry them in the inventory - the FAL is a fine weapon as it the M1A. I would be hard pressed to chose between the two of them.

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:53:38 PM EDT

[#49]

More thrust per squeeze?

Posted: 9/11/2005 3:58:41 PM EDT

[#50]

Depends. Do you want to wound or kill?

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