I used to think Democrats, even liberal Democrats, were mostly good people, just a bit naive and with some bad ideas on how to run the country.  But somewhere along the line, that has changed.  The current national Democratic leadership is just plain EVIL.  They are consumed with hatred for President Bush and Republicans in general and will stop at nothing to further their cause.  I had this hammered home for me today when I heard a quote by that bitch Nancy Pelosi, where she said "The President has promised to head a comission to find out what went wrong with the response to Katrina.  He need only to look in the mirror."
THIS with the bodies still floating face-down in the fucking water.
These people are NOT just naive and misguided, not anymore if they ever were.  They are just plain evil.

I still don't judge someones character based solely on their political beliefs. I do judge their intelligence that way though!

Quoted: I used to think Democrats, even liberal Democrats, were mostly good people, just a bit naive and with some bad ideas on how to run the country.  But somewhere along the line, that has changed.  The current national Democratic leadership is just plain EVIL.  They are consumed with hatred for President Bush and Republicans in general and will stop at nothing to further their cause.  I had this hammered home for me today when I heard a quote by that bitch Nancy Pelosi, where she said "The President has promised to head a comission to find out what went wrong with the response to Katrina.  He need only to look in the mirror." THIS with the bodies still floating face-down in the fucking water. These people are NOT just naive and misguided, not anymore if they ever were.  They are just plain evil.

The American people are slowly coming to realize this.  Thats why Bush won twice and we have increased our numbers in the Congress and Senate.  Now not all Dems are evil, however the ones who are the power brokers are.

written by a guy on a truck forum i frequent.

"gun totin here in ky, god fearing and a supporter of the real Democrat party, not the Michael Moore hollywood loones, who have tainted the democratic name."

seems appropriate.

I try not to use the labels of the political parties to categorize and compartmentalize people, so regarding democrats...hell....Im not even sure I know what a democrat is.....as far as liberals....I couldnt agree more, liberals are filled with hatred while they feign a 'happy-go-lucky' attitude. Problem is, they are only 'happy' if you agree with them, and then become indignant when you dont.

I have learned (maybe as a result of age) that its completely possible to disagree with someone without being disrepectful, or dismissing their ideas. Liberals cant seem to digest that concept.
They all seem to have this "we know more than you and we have a right to make a decision for you if you disagree with how we plan to run things" attitude.

The democratic party has taken a hard turn toward this liberal thinking...if not at its core, certainly among its mainstream. They also dont seem to have any issue with accepting funding from leftist, socialist, fear mongerers...which I feel further indicated just what the modern democratic party represents.

Frankly, i dont identify myself by the proxy of my political affiliations...I think what I want to, and I make no appologies for that. Im not a republican, not a libertarian....just a conservative thinker that doesnt take risks...I dont need a 'club' to be this way.

I never had any doubts.

We need a few token libs here that we can argue with.

Quoted: Quoted: I used to think Democrats, even liberal Democrats, were mostly good people, just a bit naive and with some bad ideas on how to run the country.  But somewhere along the line, that has changed.  The current national Democratic leadership is just plain EVIL.  They are consumed with hatred for President Bush and Republicans in general and will stop at nothing to further their cause.  I had this hammered home for me today when I heard a quote by that bitch Nancy Pelosi, where she said "The President has promised to head a comission to find out what went wrong with the response to Katrina.  He need only to look in the mirror." THIS with the bodies still floating face-down in the fucking water. These people are NOT just naive and misguided, not anymore if they ever were.  They are just plain evil. The American people are slowly coming to realize this.  Thats why Bush won twice and we have increased our numbers in the Congress and Senate.  Now not all Dems are evil, however the ones who are the power brokers are.

Bush may have won, and we may be increasing our number of seats, but look what those few steadfast democrats are doing? They're smearing the whole political platform over which our country is based.

They're causing huge civil unrest.

Meanwhile replublicans seem to be taking it.

Nancy Pelosi

At least Democrats don't try to kill black people with hurricanes and intentionally delayed relief.

Demonizing liberals probably doesn't accomplish much.

Everyone admits that the democratic party has weakened, but that has led the republican party to turn on itself, especially with the hardcore religious loons. Funny thing, my college republican friends used to rant on about stupid hippies and moveon.org all the time, now they won't shut up about right wing religious folk.

Don't take politics so personally, difference of opinion is what makes America great. If there weren't liberals, you'd be fighting with your fellow conservatives about something else.

Lastly, what broke the camel's back with you doesn't seem to be a big issue to me? You can't blame GWB for Katrina, but you can probably be JUST a little upset at him appointing a person not from the EM profession to be the head of FEMA.

Quoted: Demonizing liberals probably doesn't accomplish much.

I am not demonizing them, I am accurately describing them.  If the truth hurts, don't click on the thread.

A know a few conservative dems who are pretty hardcore pro-gun, pro-Iraq war, pro-market, couple other things... too bad they're not running the party.

I was watching the History Channel the other day, it was all about the Presidents 1865-1885, in it they said the KKK was the terrorist organization of the Democratic Party, and pointed out the fact that it was the Republicans who set the slaves free, it was the Republicans who ensured the safty of black voters in the south, so in my small brain the Dumb-O-Crates have been evil since before my Grandfathers Father was born.

I would say the leadership is evil and the followers are DUped.  I had to sit through the liberal rantings of my girlfriends sister and father over the weekend about how bad the war in Iraq is, they were saying it was a slaughter with thousands of troops coming home in body bags and how unlucky the poor are.  It was all I could take!!!!!

I've been saying it for awhile.  Liberal democrats are as much a threat to the American way of life as al quaida.

Quoted: I would say the leadership is evil and the followers are DUped.  I had to sit through the liberal rantings of my girlfriends sister and father over the weekend about how bad the war in Iraq is, they were saying it was a slaughter with thousands of troops coming home in body bags and how unlucky the poor are.  It was all I could take!!!!!

my "inlaws" are the exact same way.  

good thing they dont bring that shit up when im over, they save it all till i leave and give frtloop an earful...sad really

Quoted: At least Democrats don't try to kill black people with hurricanes and intentionally delayed relief. tinypic.com/dfhnva.jpg

Uhhhh, is this a joke? If not, you're a damn fool.

So are the Democrats, especially the ones who left their neighbors to drown while they looted the city.

Quoted: Quoted: Demonizing liberals probably doesn't accomplish much. I am not demonizing them, I am accurately describing them.  If the truth hurts, don't click on the thread.

The truth blows their views to hell.   They don't have any use for it.

I concur.

Quoted: Lastly, what broke the camel's back with you doesn't seem to be a big issue to me? You can't blame GWB for Katrina, but you can probably be JUST a little upset at him appointing a person not from the EM profession to be the head of FEMA.

It might if what you said were true. Brown was a FEMA Deputy Director before he got the number one post.

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Quoted: Don't take politics so personally,

It IS everyone's responsibillity to take it personally.  That is how a demoncratic republic works!!

difference of opinion is what makes America great.

... or, alternatively, "difference of opinion" is the dividing line between a weak country and a strong country.  Or between right and wrong.  Differences in opinion can also be what tear a country apart and become unecessarily divisive, because people FOCUS on those differences.

There is no inherent VIRTUE in "differences in opinion" - and sometimes someone is simply right and someone else is wrong.  Not all viewpoints are equally valid.

Quoted: A know a few conservative dems who are pretty hardcore pro-gun, pro-Iraq war, pro-market, couple other things... too bad they're not running the party.

The problem is they are no longer democrats at all but republicans. The party has abandon them. They are just not ready to admit that the life-ring they are holding labled "Democratic Party" is all they have left of the old regime.

Quoted: Quoted: At least Democrats don't try to kill black people with hurricanes and intentionally delayed relief. tinypic.com/dfhnva.jpg Uhhhh, is this a joke? If not, you're a damn fool. So are the Democrats, especially the ones who left their neighbors to drown while they looted the city.

Many people actually believe that, yes.  I'm not one of them, but many people are serious as a heart attack.  They think Bush would have saved the entire city of New Orleans if it was rich white people stuck there, and that his response to the hurricane and flood was nothing less than mass murder.

Quoted: I still don't judge someones character based solely on their political beliefs. I do judge their intelligence that way though!

But, their political beliefs are a direct reflection on their character, or lack of it.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At least Democrats don't try to kill black people with hurricanes and intentionally delayed relief. tinypic.com/dfhnva.jpg Uhhhh, is this a joke? If not, you're a damn fool. So are the Democrats, especially the ones who left their neighbors to drown while they looted the city. Many people actually believe that, yes.  I'm not one of them, but many people are serious as a heart attack.  They think Bush would have saved the entire city of New Orleans if it was rich white people stuck there, and that his response to the hurricane and flood was nothing less than mass murder.

Sure, rich white folk can afford transporter beams, don't you know?

Quoted: written by a guy on a truck forum i frequent. "gun totin here in ky, god fearing and a supporter of the real Democrat party, not the Michael Moore hollywood loones, who have tainted the democratic name." seems appropriate.

I bet he voted for Al Gore and Skerry.

If given half the chance, a Democrat would kill tax you and everyone you care about.

Even Katie Couric accidentally asked the Mayor of NO a fairly tough question...."Aren't you supposed to have a plan, have some vehicles for evacuation, have some security at the Superdome?"  The mayor pleaded that a Cat 5 Hurricane obliterated all his plans.....

I guess one of his plans was to put those buses in a relatively low area so they wouldn't be able to be used.

Quoted: Quoted: written by a guy on a truck forum i frequent. "gun totin here in ky, god fearing and a supporter of the real Democrat party, not the Michael Moore hollywood loones, who have tainted the democratic name." seems appropriate. I bet he voted for Al Gore and Skerry.

wouldnt doubt it.

i made a joke about him being democrat and driving a Beetle instead of his truck.  he didnt like that

Don't take politics so personally, difference of opinion is what makes America great. If there weren't liberals, you'd be fighting with your fellow conservatives about something else.


Don't take it personally? What is more personal than politics? The political game is all about power and the ability to make the laws and to set the rules. Does the 2nd amendment mean anything to you? Would it be personal to you if they took it away? Freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, property rights.....sorry that took that one away already. Government comes to play in your life all day, every day.

The problem is that the Democrats would allow this country to burn to the ground if they thought they would have control for the next fifty years and the TV networks and Hollywood would help them. Their contempt and hatred for all things conservative and especially George Bush is overwhelming.

Do I hate them? For what they did during Vietnam.... YES
For what they are doing to the Iraq war....Yes
For how they have tried to divide the country ...YES
For how they are trying to cause racial unrest....YES
In my view they are tearing the country apart and they could care less.

Quoted: I was watching the History Channel the other day, it was all about the Presidents 1865-1885, in it they said the KKK was the terrorist organization of the Democratic Party, and pointed out the fact that it was the Republicans who set the slaves free, it was the Republicans who ensured the safty of black voters in the south, so in my small brain the Dumb-O-Crates have been evil since before my Grandfathers Father was born.

This arguement has zero credibility.  The Republicans party was indeed the party that emancipated the slaves.  When the Republicans realized they were getting their asses kicked politically, they started their Southern Strategy.  The Democrats had the audacity to join the blacks in the civil rights struggle, so the Republican party sweeped in to pick up the votes of the former Democrats who still didn't want equality of the races.  Apparently, it worked.  Republican's today might not neccesarily be the racists they were in the 50's and 60's(although this forum might say otherwise), but the "Solid South" was solidly Democrat, not republican.  In FDR times, the Republican party was a joke, while the Democrats were King.  The pendulum started to swing the other way when Reagan was elected, although the Republican Kingdom might be cut short due to Americans' finding out how poorly they run they country.

Quoted: I would say the leadership is evil and the followers are DUped.  I had to sit through the liberal rantings of my girlfriends sister and father over the weekend about how bad the war in Iraq is, they were saying it was a slaughter with thousands of troops coming home in body bags and how unlucky the poor are.  It was all I could take!!!!!

I disagree.  All liberals have shit for brains.  

Hahaha...I just got to laugh RikWriter about what you just wrote about Nancy Pelosi, its the truth that bitch is just plain evil.    But now you know what I and many other Californians have to deal with on a daily bases.  When I heard her say that only the President needs only to look in the mirror, I almost put my foot through my television set.  

+1000  

Quoted: I used to think Democrats, even liberal Democrats, were mostly good people, just a bit naive and with some bad ideas on how to run the country.  But somewhere along the line, that has changed.  The current national Democratic leadership is just plain EVIL.  They are consumed with hatred for President Bush and Republicans in general and will stop at nothing to further their cause.  I had this hammered home for me today when I heard a quote by that bitch Nancy Pelosi, where she said "The President has promised to head a comission to find out what went wrong with the response to Katrina.  He need only to look in the mirror." THIS with the bodies still floating face-down in the fucking water. These people are NOT just naive and misguided, not anymore if they ever were.  They are just plain evil.

PEOPLE (Liberal/Conservative, Dem/Repub - whatever) believe what they WANT to believe, few look at the FACTS, they look at things through their own prejudices, w/Conservatives it's "Liberals are evil, therefore", with LIBERALS, it is, "Conservatives are evil, therefore" etc...)

IF people would look at this disaster OBJECTIVELY, there is PLENTY of "blame" to go around. However, because the mayor is an African-American, the Liberals "have" to say HE has little to no blame, or by THEIR OWN standards, they are "racists".

Well, I'm NOT a racist, but I'd have to say, that the DEATHS (NOT the disaster ITSELF (breaking of the levies) - but the DEATHS) are at LEAST 2/3 on HIS HEAD. The other 1/3 IMO, can be evenly divided between the U.S. Congress (the last 20 years of congress-critters who did NOT allocate $$ to IMPROVE the levies), the GOVERNOR (again, last 20 years or so of Gov's including the current admin), and Bush (namely for appointing "Brownie" by all accounts, and from what I've seen of him/he's said,  an incometant buffoon to head up FEMA)

I mean YES, it IS a GOOD thing to "trust" those you appoint, however, IMO they ALSO should be COMPETANT to FILL that position, and being a "good/smart guy" just isn't ENOUGH in THAT position, some EXPERIENCE and "know-how" (and competance) is also a VERY GOOD idea). From everything I've heard/seen, he had neither. And Bush should have known better.

But he's getting 90% of the blame, when he (Bush) SHOULD be getting about 1/3 of 1/3 of the blame! And most of THAT wasn't even "directly" his "fault"- it (IMO) was a bone-head move, but nowhere even CLOSE to the bone-head move of NOT "mobilizing" the HUNDREDS of busses to clear out the rest-homes/nursing homes, hospitals, people w/o transport OUT of the city!!!

I mean there's "bone head" and then there's "BONE HEAD"!

BUT, the (politician) Dems "can't" place the blame where it BELONGS, because the mayor is African-American, and if they DID "blame him" they'd (by their own "definition") be a racist. Which, IMO is .

ANYONE can be INCOMPETANT. That mayor - in "disaster" planning IS. PLAIN, SIMPLE. He's a stoopid [sic] asshat who SHOULD be held criminally liable for MANY acts of "involuntary manslaughter". PERIOD. And removed from office, however that happens.

Bush, the congress and the Gov. should be "smacked around" SOME, but, IMO, Bush is trying to blame the gov, and the Gov is trying to blame Bush, and BOTH are ignoring the REAL incompetants, the mayor and the congress!

Quoted: We need a few token libs here that we can argue with.

Hey, argue away! Just don't be TOO disappointed if/when I AGREE w/you. Though the only "areas" I'm AT ALL "conservative" is the 2nd and fisically, but not SO "conservative" fisically that I'm stoopid [sic] I'm both penny AND pound "wise".

On some on-line test, I BELIEVE (it was back about ... 6 + months ago I took it, maybe more like 9 or 10.. I THINK it was b4 the priimaries) I agreed w/4 "Libertarian" platform "positions, 3 "Green", 1 "Dem" and 0 "Republican". And I'm not CERTAIN, but I'm thinking the only "coservative" LIBERTARIAN platform positions I "went" for were about the 2nd Amendment and MAYBE one of the "fisical" platforms.

So, I'm pretty damn Liberal. But I'm not prejudiced about it and I'm smart about it. Do I dislaike 90% of what Bush has done? Yup. Did I vote for him? Nope. Do I blame him indescriminately? Nope, but then neither do I "excuse" him when he does something not so smart. (Appointing someone ill-qualified for a position TO a position - unless it's a "post" where even screwing up isn't much of an issue, FEMA head isn't one of those, unfortunately).

Quoted: Quoted: We need a few token libs here that we can argue with. They argue pathetically. It comes down to their feelings and their opinion, but they don't ever try to reconcile their feelings or their opinion with facts or logic. It gets boring after a while. They all stonewall in the same place in the same way, using the same words.

Not ALL of us

Quoted: At least Democrats don't try to kill black people with hurricanes and intentionally delayed relief. tinypic.com/dfhnva.jpg

Don't tell me the mayor is a Republican!

Quoted: A know a few conservative dems who are pretty hardcore pro-gun, pro-Iraq war, pro-market, couple other things... too bad they're not running the party.

I'm NOT a "conservative" Dem, then again, I'm not a Dem at all I AM a liberal, though. However I don't THINK anyone can be MORE "pro-firearm" than I am. As I believe THE ONLY "law" regarding fireams should be that it is MANDATORY to pass a firearms COURSE before "graduatiiing" HS. And IMO, even the "pacifists" cannot be "excused" as "killing" paper targets is NOT "going against" any belief or whatever.

I'm also Pro-Iraq war, though I think we're doing the RIGHT thing for the wrong reasons, but, really, who cares? We're doing the right thing, that's 90% of it.

I'm pro-market in SOME respects, but I'm VERY "anti-big-business, agree w/(Abe) Lincoln on that one. BIG Corporations are a BAD thing!

I'm for being fiisically responsible, however I do NOT think throwing the poor to the wolves and proping up the rich (corporate welfare) is a good thing. So...

Quoted: I've been saying it for awhile.  Liberal democrats are as much a threat to the American way of life as al quaida.

Quoted: There is no inherent VIRTUE in "differences in opinion" - and sometimes someone is simply right and someone else is wrong.  Not all viewpoints are equally valid.

Almost, not quite, MOST of the time, it's not that "sometimes someone is simply right and someone else is wrong." USUALLY, IME, it's MORE LIKE, "sometimes someone is simply MOSTLY right and someone else is MOSTLY wrong."

And MOST of the time, WHICHEVER "party" you are, it's "the OTHER guy's party" who is "Totally wrong" and YOUR party who is "TOTALLY CORRECT"  - yet it is rarely, if EVER that "cleancut".

Quoted: We need a few token libs here that we can argue with.

Quoted: And MOST of the time, WHICHEVER "party" you are, it's "the OTHER guy's party" who is "Totally wrong" and YOUR party who is "TOTALLY CORRECT"  - yet it is rarely, if EVER that "cleancut".

LA's governor is a Democrap while MS's governor is GOP.

there are very few democrats left in the democratic party. all national demos are euro-socialists (they want a government similar to the european union). lots of democratic that tended to be conservative on issues (mostly defense) but liberal on social issues are now in the republican party..

think about it. do you think harry truman would be a democrat today?

sam nunn?

zell miller?

personally i think bush is too liberal on lots of issues, mega health benes for seniors, illegal imigrants, massive funding to third world countries for problems they wont solve anyway..

so call them what they are.. socialists. social-democrats...

Quoted: PEOPLE (Liberal/Conservative, Dem/Repub - whatever) believe what they WANT to believe.

The question isn't what they believe so much as HOW THEY BEHAVE.  The national leadership of the Democratic party and the leaders of their liberal base behave like mob bosses and third world generalissimos.

What amazes me about Democrats is their blissful ignorance and their textbook hypocriscy.

Democrats not only willfully, but gleefully accecpt the most outragous nonsense as if it were absolute fact. I trolled one liberal blog where people were convinced that George Bush had ordered the National Guard to spray New Orleans with an insecticide that was really designed to sterilize the males. No shit!

Liberals do not tolerate the opinions of anyone who does not agree with them, they stereotype people faster than I have ever seen in my entire life, the blissfully ignore historical facts that are inconvienent to their political agenda, and they are completely hypocritical.

Today, most of the "progressives" are calling for an immedate unconditional complete and total withdrawl from Iraq. Yet they voted for John Kerry who wanted to send more troops to Iraq! They claim that Bush got us into another Vietnam in Iraq, but they don't think that Kerry's idea of sending more troops to Iraq would have had the same results as it did when Johnson sent more troops to Vietnam. That is either the most astounding example of mass delusion ever recorded, or a sinister plot to mislead the masses to gain power.

I used to be a Dem, but the party abandoned me. The blue collar people are being betryaed by the Limousine liberals.

Quoted: Quoted: PEOPLE (Liberal/Conservative, Dem/Repub - whatever) believe what they WANT to believe. The question isn't what they believe so much as HOW THEY BEHAVE.  The national leadership of the Democratic party and the leaders of their liberal base behave like mob bosses and third world generalissimos.

Well look at the base of the Democratic party:

1. Labor Unions
2. Exploited Minorities

The leaders of both of these groups have traditionally been just what you said: Mob Bosses. It's no secret that the Mafia was in cohoots with the Democratic party for years. Hell, the Mob used to launder money through local branches of the DNC. The DNC office for the precinct with the questionalbe election results when Kennedy "beat" Nixon was a well known funnel for the Chicago mafia. When ever they wanted to bribe an elected official the money went through that office. I've read several books about the mafia (some written by FBI agents that investigated the mafia for years), and the DNC is a common thread.

Quoted: The pendulum started to swing the other way when Reagan was elected, although the Republican Kingdom might be cut short due to Americans' finding out how poorly they run they country.

Keep hope alive.  Too bad bitching doesn't win elections, if it did Democrats would be unbeatable.

Quoted: I used to think Democrats, even liberal Democrats, were mostly good people, just a bit naive and with some bad ideas on how to run the country.  But somewhere along the line, that has changed.  The current national Democratic leadership is just plain EVIL.  They are consumed with hatred for President Bush and Republicans in general and will stop at nothing to further their cause.  I had this hammered home for me today when I heard a quote by that bitch Nancy Pelosi, where she said "The President has promised to head a comission to find out what went wrong with the response to Katrina.  He need only to look in the mirror." THIS with the bodies still floating face-down in the fucking water. These people are NOT just naive and misguided, not anymore if they ever were.  They are just plain evil.

Yep.

In fact, I haven't lived a day on this earth during which leading Democrats were anything but America-hating zealots consumed with evil. However, I always had the HOPE that at some point in the future, rational Democratic leaders would emerge to guide that side of the political spectrum out of the Dark Ages.

But no more do I believe that possible. I posted this in another thread but it also applies here - Within a day of the hurricane, high Democrat leaders were blaming GWBush for both not responding fast enough (even though he was the FIRST to respond to it the Friday before it struck) AND they blamed him for actually even CREATING the hurricane in the first place (that was done by RFK jr the day after the hurricane struck). The usual pack of Democrat race-hustlers then quickly arrived in the public eye to stir the shit even more (as if it needed any more stirring after a hurricane). Now the reeeeeal slick Democrats are gliding into postion to set up the conditions for them to gain politically and blame/hurt Republicans who had nothing to do with it in the first place.

No, I'm afraid this nation is FOREVER split and that a very large, loud and powerful contingent of vultures and parasites would do anything to gain politically from ANY disaster to hit America - they are "political looters" swooping into any and all disaster areas to try to steal any political advantage or cripple their political opponents at any cost, by any means necessary.

America will never be united in any cause ever again. There are just too many self-serving traitors with too many useful idiots in too many positions of authority to ever allow America to be unified behind any struggle or cause ever again.

Yup, starting to agree: ALL OF THEM ARE EVIL.

Word.  Ever notice how bad things like a poor economy, casualities in Iraq, terror attacks, and now it seems natural disasters are boons for Democrats?  Why would anyone want to be associated with the party that feeds off of misery?

Quoted: I've been saying it for awhile.  Liberal democrats are as much a threat to the American way of life as al quaida.

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Well this is funny, in real life where I have to deal with granola bar hippies everyday i'm the "bad gun loving neo-con" and here on a firearms forum i'm the tree hugging hippie.

But seriously, you guys jabbering away about Democrats being the devil, democrats taking away our rights democrats being in cahoots with the mafia is EXACTLY like the BS I hear from hippies everyday about the evil neo-con government being the devil, the evil neo-con government taking away our rights, and the evil neo-con government being in cahoots with soul-less corporations. It all sounds very  familiar...

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To a moderate like me, I get to see the left portray the right as ignorant, uneducated, homophobic and racist rednecks... Whereas the right portays the left as "soccer moms from hell" basically who go the extra length to defy reason with political correctedness. This polarizing by both sides is completely retarded and unfounded, as I see that BOTH sides with their extreme takes on the other is completely wrong.

The best part is, I get to get flamed by both left and right wingers, yay!

The reason why Politics is so ugly here in the US is because there are only 2 real parties, and so many issues. For the reasons of entertainment I can be your token liberal, but i'm a Economics major, where "liberal" means "republican", lol