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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:52:44 AM EDT
[#1]
 Oh shit. Something is up.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:53:42 AM EDT
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Yeah, for what, 3 weeks after the hurricane, in the affected areas only?
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:53:54 AM EDT
[#3]
does this mean $1.00 gas
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:17 AM EDT
[#4]
basicly, this is to make refining easier, take out alot of the processes and speed produciton
think of it as a poor man's way to up production depending on how badly damaged our costal refineries were hit, this could go on while they make repairs so our economy doesnt tank |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:37 AM EDT
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Dupe by 19 Seconds  www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=384708 |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:38 AM EDT
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I hope this doesn't mean it will be OK to burn old tires in the NE this winter instead of natural gas/heating oil. I don't own any shares of Used Tires.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:39 AM EDT
[#7]
No. It means we can still GET gas and diesel. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:46 AM EDT
[#8]
Yeah, like a serious shortage due to a hurricane that was Monday's News. What else are you expecting? This should have been done LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG ago! |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:55 AM EDT
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That would be alot better than the $3.39/ gal I saw this morning. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:54:59 AM EDT
[#10]
Waive the bloody taxes too.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:55:40 AM EDT
[#11]
Does this mean crappy gas?
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:55:41 AM EDT
[#12]
Maybe, but THIS thread has comments posted! |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:56:14 AM EDT
[#13]
This one has more posts so the other one is history!  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:56:21 AM EDT
[#14]
only makes sense.
worrying about gun laws in a SHTF would be ridiculous |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:56:46 AM EDT
[#15]
Yeah:
eta: I can't see how this will affect the rest of the country at all. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:01 AM EDT
[#16]
No, but what is crappy gas? Where in the country do they sell that? What this means, is no 'boutique fuel' requirements, meaning a more competitive market. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:29 AM EDT
[#17]
hope not |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:40 AM EDT
[#18]
Beat you by 33 seconds!
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:54 AM EDT
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Here's one more for the count to help it live! Actually I just called and got the pay off on the wrangler. Time to go to the honda dealership.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:59:24 AM EDT
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What a coincidence, Rush was just talking about this in his first hour today. Glad to hear that W is listening.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:59:28 AM EDT
[#21]
If 82nd is on the job he will lock the newest one 
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:59:57 AM EDT
[#22]
STFU,  . You are contributing to the decline of this once-fine site.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:01 AM EDT
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I meant as in too much sulphur. Wasnt there a problem not too long ago with some companies selling poorly refined gas that had too much sulphur? Oterh impurities that can cause problems are going to be bypassed? Thats what I am worried about. If thats the case, I would rather spend the extra .04 on the good stuff. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:14 AM EDT
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would that effect the emission controls on the vehicals?
will it mess with the computer since it isn't burning cleaner? |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:23 AM EDT
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This is certainly an interesting development.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:49 AM EDT
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Or 3.99 gas and lower production costs for Big Oil. 
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:01:16 AM EDT
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He did it the right way, he posted a link that way maybe a mod will see it and move it. Its the dupe zombies that never post a link that are irritating. Roboman is well trained in the ways of duping. We have much to learn from him. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:03:22 AM EDT
[#29]
They are relaxing trucker sleeping rules also. Trying to get supplies there quicker.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:09:38 AM EDT
[#30]
ok... shit happens and prices rise within hours...
now this happens.. how many months before we see affects..? |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:10:07 AM EDT
[#31]
I think this means more profits for CEO's and shareholders to keep the economy strong
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:11:20 AM EDT
[#32]
I am a well-versed practitioner of the Duping Arts. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:16:23 AM EDT
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I don't think that there is gas anywhere in the US that is going to screw up a vehicle sold in the US. Vehicles are usually designed to run well on gas with the lowest quality legally sold. A high performance or 'tuner' car can have adjustments made to the compression ratio and timing that require better quality gas for maximum performance. I should note that better quality and higher octane are NOT the same thing. Higher octane is used in higher compression engines to reduce or eliminate spark knock for the most part. Higher octane doesn't translate into better fuel. Some companies add Ethanol to their high octane AND low octane gas, and thus both grades are inferior to straight 85/87/89/91/93 gasoline. Sulfer levels in gas will cause more sulfer emissions. Depending on your point of view, this is either a problem or not. Many big cities demand their own blend to appease the environmentalists. These unique blends make the market for gas in downtown Chicago resemble a specialty store, compared to towns 100 miles away in any direction. Standardizing fuel to less than 5 formulations would really free up the market to function as it should. More competition in the gas industry would result in better prices for consumers. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:17:19 AM EDT
[#34]
Exactly. Temporarily waiving the boutique requirements means that available refined fuel can be used anywhere, mitigating some of the current price spike. The "boutique fuel" requirements need to be done away with permanently if we are ever to be free of twice-yearly gasoline price spikes and return to some kind of normalcy in a free market for fuel. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:26:50 AM EDT
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Uh oh, I just thought of something. The treehuggers will freak when they hear this. "It's all Bush's fault!!!" and all that.
Oh wait, I don't care what they say! |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:27:19 AM EDT
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Nope, all dupe-calling is bad according to some. Bad, bad, bad. Let the dupes live.  In case you couldn't tell, that's all sarcasm. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:28:04 AM EDT
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The sulfur standards being relaxed are only for diesel. 200 PPM was the old limit. No, it will NOT cause damage. In fact, the sulfur is actually GOOD for injectors and pumps. RVP (Reid vapor pressure) standards for gasoline are the MAJOR hurdle for summer gasoline. In all cars made since 1980's, this is NOT a pollution issue except at filling time. All modern cars utilize vapor recovery systems. I'd imagine the slight reduction in driving from increased fuel costs is going to have a greater positive impact on the air quality than the temporary relaxation of the fuel standards hurts air quality. Damn fine experiment. Hopefully the results will gut these INEFFECTIVE regulations in the Clean Air Act. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:29:43 AM EDT
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foad |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:32:43 AM EDT
[#39]
The standards were waived for the other 46 states just a few minutes ago.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:33:37 AM EDT
[#40]
I disagree... I think the regulations are doing exactly what they were intended to do - disrupt the free market in fuel and create both an overall rise in prices, disrupt supply, and create cyclical price spikes. You are correct in that they are ineffective at making any real difference in pollution. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:35:42 AM EDT
[#41]
This was in the "Oil Storm" movie
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:37:36 AM EDT
[#42]
Sounds like the President is on top of things.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:38:52 AM EDT
[#43]
So far no word. As far as I am going to run. I will be placing the FEMA signs on my truck and that helps keeping the DOT off of our butts. Most of the time I won't even hit the weight stations. Since I run a 1 ton truck that helps. Big trucks are another story. My log book will be a huge joke for the next few months. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:40:29 AM EDT
[#44]
It should ruin your vehicle's emissions system, overloading it with sulfer |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:43:08 AM EDT
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Only if you try to run it in a post 2006 diesel engine...and then only a few of the smaller diesels, like the Jeep Liberty and most VW disesls built after that date. SulfUr standards have only been exempted for DIESEL. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:45:48 AM EDT
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Maybe this latest disaster will finally get the econazis to let us build some new refineries. This whole gas crunch would be a nonissue if there were enough refineries around so that the ones in unaffected areas could just "pick up the slack".
Mark my words, at $4/gal (what, two months maybe), you're going to see some serious recalibration of the way this country deals with gasoline. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:50:28 AM EDT
[#47]
Now they need to wave the tax
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:55:10 AM EDT
[#48]
No, it means that they don't have to have 25 different blends for 25 different cities. It's a damn good thing. TXL |
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