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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:38:55 PM EDT
[#1]
Maybe they could google "English Sheepdog suits" and have their dogs go incognito.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:41:24 PM EDT
[#2]
Canada is just bringing in the same law on Pits and other 'Dangerous Dogs' as we have here in Great Britain…
ANdy |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:42:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Having a hard time feeling sorry for Canadians or Pit Bulls
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:43:44 PM EDT
[#4]
I guess that makes 2 of us... |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:44:23 PM EDT
[#5]
Yeah, we all know how well nanny-statism has worked for you guys. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:45:01 PM EDT
[#6]
Next will be anything that LOOKS like a pit bull.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:45:51 PM EDT
[#7]
I'm confused. Are we arfcommers supposed to applaud the new law, or make comparisons to nazis?
I predict 8 pages, a lock, and some guy ranting that he'll kill anyone who touches his dog. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:48:34 PM EDT
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You will get the same 'Dangerous Dog' Laws passed in US cities and states before too long… |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:52:20 PM EDT
[#9]
Will there then be "Pre-Ban" bulls? |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:53:24 PM EDT
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That's a pretty arrogant statment. There will be a few here and there to be sure (Denver comes to mind), but I don't think it will be widespread. Just because Great Britain thinks that something is good doesn't mean that the U.S. will automatically follow suit. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:54:37 PM EDT
[#11]
Where is the "It's about damn time" icon? Av. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:54:46 PM EDT
[#12]
The prices on those are OUTRAGEOUS! Just get a post-ban. They are only allowed to have 10 teeth, but seriously - no one needs a dog with more than 10 teeth. 
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:55:58 PM EDT
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I NEVER said it was because GB thought it was a 'good idea'… MOST 'western' countries have very tight controls on these type of 'Dangerous Dogs' now… ANdy |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:55:58 PM EDT
[#14]
Apparently Canada will have them- any born before November the whatever. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:56:02 PM EDT
[#15]
Not too arrogant at all – here’s a list of places with breed specific legislation already in full force:
ALABAMA Irondale, Midfield, Orange Beach, Lannett, Gurley, Gadsden ARKANSAS Gosnell, Maumell, McGehee, Mt. Home, North Little Rock (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS & PIT BULLS), Piggot, Sherwood, Siloam Springs CALIFORNIA Santa Monica, Naval Base Ventura Count:Point Mugu Hueneme COLORADO Commerce City, Denver, Northglenn, Fort Lupton, Wellington CONNECTICUT Wetherfield FLORIDA Cape Coral, Dade Count/North Miami, Sunrise, Tamarac IDAHO Kellog, Payette ILLINOIS Beach Park, Buffalo Grove (restricted ROTTWEILERS & PIT BULLS), Cairo, Central City, Chester, Cicero, Dixon, Effingham, Elmwood, Gillespie, Greenville, Johnston City, Lombard, Morrison, Mt. Olive, Mulberry Grove, Northlake, Oden, Peru, Rock Falls, Salem, Sandover, Silvis, Stone Park (has BANNED PIT BULLS), Streater, Westfield (has BANNED DOBERMANS), Wheeling, Wilsonville INDIANA Fowler, Gary, Lake Station, Mishawaka, South Bend, Walkerton (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS), Williamsport, Winchester IOWA Atkins, Alburnett, Anamosa, Belle Plaine, Benton County, Blairstown, Buffalo Center, Clarence, Conrad (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS), Council Bluffs, Coutier, Carter Lake, Dallas Center, Dakota City, Des Moines, Dexter, Donellson, Dumont, Durant, Fairfax, Fairfield, Forest City, Garrison, Hiawatha, Keystone, Lake Mills (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS), Lockridge (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS & PIT BULLS),Luzernne, Miles, Mt. Auburn, Mt. Pleasant, Monticello, Muscatine, Newhall, Norway, Olin, Oxford Junction, Ottumwa, Palo, Pocohontas, Rake, Rockwell, Scarville, Shellsburg, Sigourney, Thompson, Urbana, Van Horne, Vinton, Walford, Wapello, Watkins, Wilton, Winterset KANSAS Augusta, Arkansas City, Bonner Springs, Cheney, Cherokee County, Inman (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS & PIT BULLS), Dodge City, El Dorado, Ellinwood, Fort Smith, Fredonia, Garden City, Garnett, Hesston, Jackson County, Junction City, Kansas City, Kingman, Leawood, Leavenworth, Liberal, Lola, Maize, Manhatten, Marysville, Nickerson, Overland Park, Park City, Pittsburg, Preston, St. John, Salina, Shawnee County, Sterling, Topeka, Ulyssas, Wyandotte County KENTUCKY Bracken County, Erlanger, Elsmere, Ludlow, Walton LOUISIANA Luling, Morgan City, Plaquemines Parish, St. Parish, Welsh MARYLAND Prince George County, Naval Base, Hagerstown MASSACHUSETTS Amesbury, Boston, Brockton, Fall River, Haverhill, Holyoke, Medway, New Bedford, Rockport, Tauton, Whorster MICHIGAN Alma, Crystal City, Dearborne Heights, Detroit, East Pointe, Evart Township, Grosse Point Woods, Hastings, Hudsonville, Melvindale, Muskegon, Ramsey, Muskegon, Michigan, Ramsey, Redford, Southgate, Springfield, Waterford, Westland, MISSISSIPPI Aberdeen, Greenville, Horn Lake, Indianola MISSOURI Black Jack, Booneville, Butler, Calverton, Camdenton, Carl Junction (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS & PIT BULLS), Cameron, Clayton, Fenton, Ferguson, Florissant, Grandby, Grandview, Greenwood, Hallsville, Hazelwood, Liberty, Macon, New Franklin, Pagerdale, Salisbury (has BANNED PIT BULLS & ROTTWEILERS), Springfield, University City, Wentzville, Woodson Terrace MONTANA Ekalaka, Libby NEBRASKA Friend NEW JERSEY Atlantic City, Clifton, Engelwood, Highland Park, Millville, West New York NEW MEXICO Tijeras, Kirkland Air Force Base NEW YORK Binghamton (restricts ROTTWEILERS), Hudson, Jamestown, Larchmont, Maybrook, Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, Newburgh, N. Hempstead, Sand Point, Village of Haverstraw, Village of Hemstead, Yonkers NORTH CAROLINA Transylvania NORTH DAKOTA Bismark, Kildeer, Minot (has BANNED PIT BULLS) Velva (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS) OHIO (STATE HAS DELARED PIT BULLS AS DANGEROUS/VICIOUS) Akron (has RESTRICTED PIT BULLS & AMERICAN BULLDOGS), Athens, Bay Village, Bellevue, Bexley, Cambridge, Celina, Cincinnati, E. Cleveland, Defiance, East Cleveland, Fairfield, Franklin County, Girard, Golf Manor, Heath, Highland Heights, Louisville, Lucas County, Ludlow Falls, Mansfield, Mayfield, Mentor on the Lake, Miami County, Middlefield, Mt. Vernon, Napoleon,New Albany, Newark, North Perry, Oxford, Parma, Perrysburg, Powell, Richmond Heights, Shaker Heights, Silverlake, S. Euclid, Southpoint, Springboro, St. Marys, Toledo, Warrensville Hts, Washington Court House, Wickliffe, Wooster, Yellow Springs OKLAHOMA Eufaula, Midwest City, Quenton OREGON Malin PENNSYLVANIA Clairton, Elizabeth, Reading RHODE ISLAND Pawtucket (has BANNED PIT BULLS & placed restriction on ROTTWEILERS), Providence SOUTH CAROLINA Columbia, Travelers Rest (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS, CHOWS & DOBERMANS) SOUTH DAKOTA Chamberlain (has BANNED PIT BULLS, DOBERMANS and ROTTWEILERS) Sissenton (has BANNED DOBERMANS) TENNESSEE Jackson, Smyrna, Sparta, Watertown, Lynnville (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS, PIT BULLS, CHOWS, GERMAN SHEPHERD & DOBERMANS) TEXAS Kyle, Neilsville, Terrell UTAH North Salt Lake, Smithfield (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS & SHAR-PEIS) Springville (heavy restriction-pit bulls) VIRGINIA Richmond WASHINGTON Buckly, Enunclaw, Everett, Inland, Issaquah Highland Subdivision, Kenawick, King County, Kirkland, Moxee, Neah Bay (has BANNED ROTTWEILERS), Oak Harbor, Prosser, Quincy, Seatac, Sunnyside, Toppenosh, Yakima WISCONSIN East Troy Lake, Fox Lake, Hewitt, Milwaukee, Nellisville, Oconto, Randolph, South Milwaukee |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:58:15 PM EDT
[#16]
You should change your name to Googlemite.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 12:59:17 PM EDT
[#17]
Maybe in the northeast states and on the west coast, that'd be a tough sell in a lot of the US beyond some municipal ordinances. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 1:00:25 PM EDT
[#18]
Daaaayum! |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 1:07:21 PM EDT
[#19]
+1 The places where people have a lot of these animals are the same places that don't have a baseless fear of weapons, value personal responsibility, and so on. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 1:23:54 PM EDT
[#20]
WTF is it with SafetyNazi's innate fear (and banning) of objects instead of just going after the people/groups who cause problems...?
Tiny sez "WOOF"...! 
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Posted: 8/29/2005 2:21:41 PM EDT
[#21]
You mean like your gun laws? You presume too much. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 2:25:27 PM EDT
[#22]
Do I?
Seems not… 
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Posted: 8/29/2005 3:00:44 PM EDT
[#23]
I still can't believe how many "freedom loving conservatives" on this board think that it's a good idea to ban dogs. I also can't believe how many don't see the parallels between gun control and dog control.
What happens if you own a "dangerous dog" that you consider a part of you family and is actually very friendly, and you move to a State or municipality that won't allow them? Are you expected to have your dog put down or don't move there? I'm so sick and tired of being protected from myself by someone who knows what's best for me.  BTW ANdy: ALL YOUR EUROPUSSYFIGHTER TYPHOON ARE BELONG TO US! 
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Posted: 8/29/2005 3:43:43 PM EDT
[#24]
Been to Denver lately? |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 5:38:51 PM EDT
[#25]
Seems so. You clearly have no idea of the size of the United States. Several dozen locations are listed and you take this to be a significant portion of the U.S.? Several states, including my own (Minnesota) have nothing listed. Furthermore, many of those locations listed with regulations fall short of an outright ban or have overly broad definitions. The New York law, for example, defines a dangerous dog as "any dog which attacks a person, domestic animal or domesticated dog or cat and causes death or physical injury when unprovoked" among others. So, by that definition, a miniature dachshund ("wiener dog") that bites someone might now be considered a dangerous dog. I'm sorry you feel you ashamed of your country's slide into the nanny state, but please don't try to drag the rest of the free world down with you. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 6:26:13 PM EDT
[#26]
All I know is I don't want to grip his pistol grip.  |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 6:34:09 PM EDT
[#27]
btw you can scratch oklahoma off the list for now. The okla Atty gen issued an opinion last week that breed specific bans are unconstitutional under the ok state constitution.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 6:42:37 PM EDT
[#28]
Amen to that. Alot of the people here seem to be eaten up with the "I don't like that, so I think it should be banned" syndrome. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 7:01:04 PM EDT
[#29]
This is the typical way our gov't deals with public safety issues... Go after the easy target.
Ban the dog instead of holding owners more resposible for their dogs behavior... I don't particularly like Pit bulls... they're kinda ugly if y'ask me, but as long as it's on a leash when out in public... as any dog should be... I'm cool with it. It's all hype and hysteria... I read stats somewhere re. dog bites... take it for what y'think it might be worth, but Pit bulls weren't even in the top ten.... The top biter reported was..... the Collie. Lasse go home
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:46:43 PM EDT
[#30]
Yo! Tiny! Whatz up dawg?!?!?
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:51:35 PM EDT
[#31]
"I'll kill anyone who touche's MY dog"
There it's been said.<----------Oh damn, look at post count. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:51:53 PM EDT
[#32]
<--------------Very glad he left Canada when he did.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 11:11:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Two points… I'm well aware of the size of the United States… after all I DO have family living there. You really are eaten up with the 'Nanny State' aren't you? Problem is, I'm NOT British. I'm Irish… and what has banning breeds of dogs got to do with the 'Nanny State"? Some of these countries have gun laws that are as good, or better than the US and are very much not 'nanny stes'… THE LATEST NEWS ON BREED SPECIFIC LEGISLATION FROM EUROPE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD With regard to breed specific legislation, it is very difficult to find out the situation in many countries around the world and to keep the information updated. The following is a summary of the current situation in many of the key areas. Austria - At present there is no general breed specific legislation for the whole country and one province, Upper Austria, has rejected a proposal to include it. However, the state of Tirol has announced plans to introduce breed specific legislation to include some restrictions on owning particular breeds. Belgium - Breed lists were initially introduced to restrict 15 breeds of fighting¹ dogs , including the American Pit Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, Fila Braziliero, Mastiff, Tosa Inu, Ban Dog, Akita, Rhodesian Ridgeback, Dogo Argentino, Dogue de Bordeaux, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the Rottweiler. These laws have been abandoned as unworkable. Denmark - The Pit Bull Terrier and Japanese Tosa are banned from breeding. Other breeds continue to be Œunder consideration¹. France - Several breeds are heavily restricted unless registered at the local town hall with substantial licence fees including the Pit Bull Terrier. Several other breeds are on a specially controlled list, including the American Staffordshire Terrier, Rottweiler and Japanese Tosa. Germany - Current national law bans the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Bull Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Some individual state laws also include a ban on dogs over a certain height. The law is being reviewed following court hearings and Bull Terrier owners owners had their day in Court on November 5th to challenge the inclusion of their breed. At the time of going to press we were unaware of the outcome, but if successful it is hoped that other owners will be able to also have the inclusion of their breed revoked by the courts. Holland - has banned the American Staffordshire Terrier, Fila Brasiliero, Dogo Argentino and Neapolitan Mastiff. The Rottweiler is also being considered. Ireland - Leash and muzzle laws apply to the American Pit Bull Terrier, Bulldog, Bull Mastiff, Dobermann Pinscher, Bull Terrier, German Shepherd (Alsatian), Japanese Akita, Japanese Tosa, Rhodesian Ridgeback, Rottweiler and Staffordshire Bull Terrier and crosses of these breeds. Italy - has just introduced tough new laws targeting 'potentially aggressive' breeds, but has steered clear of out and out breed specific bans. However, the new laws are flawed, branding breeds such as Border Collies and Corgis as 'dangerous'. Luxembourg - Trying to introduce laws similar to those in France but has not yet excluded the Staffordshire Bull Terrier from the list Norway - Trying to introduce laws similar to those in Germany which includes banning the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Bull Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Poland - The regulation requires the owner to obtain permits, provide reinforced fencing, and Œbeware of dog¹ signs in order to keep their American Pit Bull Terrier, Perro de Presa Mallorquin, American Bulldog, Dogo Argentino, Canary Dog, Japanese Tosa, Rottweiler, Akbash Dog and Anatolian Karabash. Portugal -has banned seven breeds - the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Rottweiler, American Staffordshire Terrier, Fila Brasiliero, Dogo Argentino, Tosa Inu and Pit Bull. Spain - Staffordshire Bull Terrier owners are working with the Spanish Kennel Club and Veterinary authorities, to mount a legal challenge to the Royal decree restricting several breeds,including the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Bull Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier. They urgently need funds. Switzerland - No countrywide law but several cantons (states) have begun to introduce their own breed specific laws based around the German legislation. United Kingdom - A total of four Œbreeds¹ are currently banned or at least severely restricted to the point where they cannot be bred, sold, imported, etc. The four breeds are; the Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasiliero, Japanese Tosa and Œthe type of dog known as the Pit Bull Terrier¹. The Home Secretary has the right to add any other breed at any time if he believes it is a threat to the public. Elsewhere in the World Australia - Several states are currently planning to introduce laws restricting the keeping of various breeds but full details are not yet available. New Zealand - A recent spate of dog attack reports in the media has led to a public outcry for breed specific legislation to be introduced to ban any dog with bull or pit in the name¹. Several newspaper journalists and TV pundits are actively campaigning for dogs to be killed and tough new dog control laws are in the process of being introduced. United States - Several Cities and States have introduced breed bans but these tend to be overturned after a few years when they are found to be both ineffective and expensive. Just recently the Alabama Supreme Court has ruled breed lists illegal in the State and we are waiting to see if the ruling will be challenged further or become a legal precedent. http://www.dominodogs.org/bslworld01.html |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 11:59:07 PM EDT
[#34]
A agree, this is government banning perfectly safe, lovable animals. It's all media bias, afterall. I mean, cocker spaniels kill thousands every year, don't they? Wait....do they? Oh well, nevermind that.
First they ban the huggable family pet, the Pit Bull, next it'll be furry hamsters and the known-man-killer, the Toy Poodle. Slippery slope, dog lovers.....slippery slope.  And, I agree the parallels to gun banning are crystal clear. After all, isn't it the 23rd Amendment that states dog-ownership shall not be infringed? Wait a sec. We don't have a dog-amendment? Shit. I hear the anti-drug people use that line all the time....there's nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the right to smoke dope. So, by that reasoning, there's nothing in the Constitution that says you can't ban dogs. Sorry Pit Bull lovers, you're SOL on that one. And, comparing the Pit Bull to assault weapons is spot-on too. Afterall, if an assault weapon gets out of your yard by chewing through the fence, you know it's going to run off and kill something.  I'm not for government banning anything, frankly, but I do love to lampoon the naive notion that Pits are wonderful animals and just like every other dog. If Pits hadn't killed and maimed so many people, I guarantee there would be no ban on them....and likewise, if there were 100 deaths a year from labradors, someone would be banning them, and I wouldn't be proud to own one. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:30:15 AM EDT
[#35]
hey, at least he didn't suggest Vegamite cue up the Men at Work cd hehe.. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:42:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Jasmine sez "And bow!"  |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:47:30 AM EDT
[#37]
of course, that doesn't mean a damn thing here. got a couple friends in NLR with pitts that i'm sure have no idea that law even exists. and i KNOW that some "animal control" officers are ignorant of it. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:50:40 AM EDT
[#38]
Change the thread title from "puppies" to "Liberals" and I'll have to throw in my support.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:09:50 AM EDT
[#39]
There are already plenty of dangerous animals...of the two legged variety...
Leave the poor pit bulls alone.. Send all the liberals to Canada, and America would be a much safer place. Would feel sorry for any respectable Canadians though  |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:18:08 AM EDT
[#40]
Absolutely. If either dropped off the face of the planet, who would notice? To you poor whiney Canadians, if you're a conservative, move south, you know where I mean. If not, who cares? Screw Canada...it's just another terrorist holding ground. To you Pitt Bull owners. I've had experience with your dogs and frankly, I'll shoot your dog if it attacks. And, you better lawyer up because I will own you. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:24:05 AM EDT
[#41]
I dont really care for Pits but in no way want them banned. I think there should just be harsher penaltys for dog owners that are not responsible.
Like if your dog attacks somebody you should be charged with attempted murder. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:24:13 AM EDT
[#42]
You people should move to a 'free state' like Vermont, New Hampshire, or Maine. They can have my dog...bloody fangs first. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:48:04 AM EDT
[#43]
I'am all for banning "aggressive" dog breeds..Just as long as they also ban aggressive human races like blacks
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:50:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:54:53 AM EDT
[#45]
Please crawl back into your hole 
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:55:21 AM EDT
[#46]
That went right over your head, The cynic
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Posted: 8/30/2005 12:08:38 PM EDT
[#47]
I can dig that. And you bring up a good point. Why don't they ban these dogs in "free" states? Breed specific legislation does nothing to control the people that are neglecting or mistreating the animals - so I can't really expect anything out of it - other than it makes the .gov look like they're doing something. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 12:16:59 PM EDT
[#48]
We had a pit for 13 years, most of the time in Kyle. I haven't lived there in eight years so it looks like things have changed. I do know that there was quite a few people that bred fighting dogs there. Ours wasn't raised that way and never bit anyone in the 16 years she was on the earth. |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 12:20:50 PM EDT
[#49]
Yea Andy. Way to go, GB. Bastion of the peoples rights.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 12:27:35 PM EDT
[#50]
Yep. I've got 223 reasons why attemping to come collect any member of my family might be a "life altering" experience. (Except for the wife's fuckin cat, that is )
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