Ok..What's the beefs with TOTS?

I'm just asking, so I know what to look for...I missed this crapstorm on ARFCOM.

Other than the obvious commo idiocy...(I'm waiting for  "Over and out")

What else?

I'm still watching for the first time.

Backward Aimpoint.

Quoted: Backward Aimpoint.

I've given up being upset about that kinda stuff.

Commo stuff bothers me much more.

How about we advance on an enemy and then fall back to where we started to get the Lt.s girlfreind just so we can get shot up some more covering the ground we just gave up.

"HOLD THE LINE"


That was enough for me.

Quoted: How about we advance on an enemy and then fall back to where we started to get the Lt.s girlfreind just so we can get shot up some more covering the ground we just gave up.

I'll look for that......

Though, the Rangers on that mountaintop during Anaconda did the same thing. (Well..not with a girl involved.)

They advanced right up to the bunker that was killing all their guys, then, just fell back...OVer open ground....



I gotta bow to the guys on the ground, but, it seems to me if they were that close, finish the assault.

Quoted: "HOLD THE LINE" That was enough for me.

Just 'casue they didn't extract in a Fiero......Dont' hate.



I'll look for that

DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE....And if I havnt said it before. DIE!!!  

Quoted: Quoted: "HOLD THE LINE" That was enough for me. Just 'casue they didn't extract in a Fiero......Dont' hate. I'll look for that

"Hi, I'm "Zee" Peddigrew in the movie.  I have a 40mm grendae launcher, and I only use it one time.  I have a rig with another 24 40mm grendaes on it, but I dont use them.  Know why?  Because a bitch ass writer wouldnt let me.  Fucking libs."

"Howdy, I'm Lt. AK Wtters in the movie.  I put that fine assed Dr Kendricks broad in the helicopter.  I complete my fucking mission.  Halfway back, I TELL THE HELICOPTER CREW TO TURN AROUND.  Usually helicopter pilots take command once they are airborne, but not in this movie.  Luck played out and the bitch didnt die after being next to an RPG explosion"

Hope these two guys didnt ruin it.

Firing line with, what....5 foot intervals?

Quoted: Firing line with, what....5 foot intervals?

C'mon.  They did the same thing in every war movie ever.

Gotta get all the actors on the screen.

No reason to get upset over a hollywoodism like that.

Quoted: "Hi, I'm "Zee" Peddigrew in the movie.  I have a 40mm grendae launcher, and I only use it one time.  I have a rig with another 24 40mm grendaes on it, but I dont use them.  Know why?  Because a bitch ass writer wouldnt let me.  Fucking libs." "Howdy, I'm Lt. AK Wtters in the movie.  I put that fine assed Dr Kendricks broad in the helicopter.  I complete my fucking mission.  Halfway back, I TELL THE HELICOPTER CREW TO TURN AROUND.  Usually helicopter pilots take command once they are airborne, but not in this movie.  Luck played out and the bitch didnt die after being next to an RPG explosion" Hope these two guys didnt ruin it.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah...Just saw that "Turn around" thing.  That was pretty hard to swallow.


At least he didn't fire a LAW from the chopper.

Ha ha!  The LT just told a guy to get "Eyes on"

They were WATCHING the BGs!

does every member of a SEAL team carry suppressors on an extraction mission?

Here is a link...

There are a few mistakes about those mistakes...but still.

Quoted: does every member of a SEAL team carry suppressors on an extraction mission?

I wasn't a SEAL, so I can't speak for that.

Quoted: Here is a link... There are a few mistakes about those mistakes...but still.

Thanks Ziti...THat's just usual nit-pick BS IMO.  

I was a Movie critic in my younger days for a radio station.  

Continuity errors are for movie geeks IMO :)

TECHNICAL errors are a different story.

"Hi, my names Eagle 1, and I play a fighter pilot in the movie.  I have a new super fucking secret F/A-18 Hornet that can make its weaponry disappear twice.  My plane does this to fool the dumbass enemy into  not shooting at me, thinking I'm unarmed.  They're in for a big fucking suprise when me and my wingman bust out some White Phosphorous tipped AAMRAAMs.  Thats right, AAMRAAMs aint just for Migs, they are also for african mabutoos attacking SeALs."

"Hi, my name is Kelly Lake, and I play a SeAL in this movie.  I'm the one with the JKL tat on my neck and the fucking awesome hairdo.  I only really came on here to brag that I get the coolest, most intense line in the movie.  *cough**cough*, here it goes "Ringside seats to an ethnic cleansing".  See wasnt that just intense?  Oh and I also carry a shotgun, that should alone make me the badass of the flick."

Well at one point Bruce did get a good handful of Monica Belucci's backside that has to be worth something.

"Hi, I'm Dr. Lena Kendricks, and I play a doctor in this movie.  I just wanted to point that I'm a fucking dirtbag.  I'm also fuckin hot, so I guess that makes me a fuckin hot fucking dirtbag.  Notice how when Lt Watters tricks me into getting into the helicopter, I spit on him and whine about being lied to, then when that same man escorts me to the Cameroon border I'm like, "Im an American, let me in".  Forget the fact that a merew hour ago in movie time, I was talkin shit.  Anyway, forget the actress stuff, and check out my killer rack!"


This is so fuckin fun.

..ahem.

I like the movie. It's a movie.

FAIL-SAFE, you ROCK!

Don't forget Tom Skerritt.
"I'm NAVY Captain Bill Rhodes, and I have to talk to my insubordinate officers on an Active Flight Deck on an Aircraft carrier because... Well, I honestly don't know."

"Hi, I'm Bruce Willis and I play a 50 something year old Lieutenant in this movie.  I'm a Navy SEAL which is badass because they don't have to follow orders like everyone else.  My boss, Tom Skerrit, won't mind if we rescue a bunch of ignorant Africans who are constantly singing tribal-sounding African songs at the top of their voices as we attempt to escape through enemy held territory.  He'll just bitch on his 80's style cell phone as he stands alone in the middle of the Nimitz's flight deck with planes taking off all around him.  But I know he'll give us medals at the end of the day, even if I get more than half my team killed because I made up all my own objectives as we went along.  We get extra special medals if I play Ethnic Avenger (tm) and order my team to take out a whole village of Bad Africans (tm) with pistols only!  We'll save the Good Africans (tm) so they can live long enough to build an army while in exile and re-invade their broke-dick country and retake it in a few years.  Then the Navy will send me back in to rescue more white people who get caught up in the endless civil war.  This is a fun game, we could play it forever!  Join the Navy and see the world!"

Tears Of the Sun had a lot of potential, but they pissed it away with easy Hollywood crap and an idiot plot.

Idiot plot is defined as: "A plot which functions only because all the characters involved are idiots. They behave in a way that suits the author's convenience, rather than through any rational motivation of their own."

Some of the scenes were good and could have been used in making a great film. But too many cheap, easy and stupid decisions were made.

The director said himself he wanted to make a powerful film, but he didn't and that's why I think the movie gets a lot of flack. It thinks its profound when in reality its just a Saturday afternoon shoot'em fuck'em kill'em movie. They took the easy way out focusing on the irrelevant firefights and bombing at the end.. wow, more big explosions in a movie!

I like how people can survive RPG explosions just a few feet away from them.

What's wrong with TOTS.
Besides what has been mentioned.

The refugees can't get across the border, but the USN has no problem landing a helo there, and the guards have no problem immediately opening the gate for the a$$hole waiving a piece of paper around that they probably can't even read.

The magic clamore that with no discernable detonator manages to go off at exactly the right time.

The whole story itself, a platoon of SEALs sent to rescue a Foreign National who has citizenship by virtue of marriage to dead man. Yeah, I guess the CBG supporting the mission had nothing else to do that day.

Tom Skerritt on an active flight deck talking directly to a team on the ground with a hand held transmitter. WHY? The director thought it'd be cool?

The helo's and F-18s left at about the same time and yet they arrive within minutes of each other. Were the Hornets in no hurry to provide support, or were the helos really really fast.

It's a sh-tty premise, and lousy plot, but something decent could've been made from it.
My problem with it is that it tries to be ultra serious, and cool.

I can watch a comedy, or fantasy, and really wierd or unusual things can happen, and be okay with it.
When a supposedly serious film dips into the absurd, I get pissed.

I can handle the backward aimpoint. Someone suggested that maybe they were having problem with glare from the lens. I don't know, it was a minor mistake.
I can handle the actors not being cammed up. The average movie goer may have trouble keeping track of characters if they are all dressed alike and properly camo'd.
But why have Skerritt standing on the flight deck? Why not have him in a little grey room?
Why use footage of an F-18 firing missiles when they could've had footage of one dropping a bomb?
Why resort to acrobatics in a firefight?
Why get on the chopper? Realistically, once that chopper took off, the movie was over. There was no going back unless there was still a SEAL on the ground. As far as the movie goes, they didn't need to get on the helo, they could've waived them off and then started walking.

The Director didn't think, or didn't care, or it didn't test well, or whatever other Hollywood bullsh-t happened, and we got a stinker of a movie for it.

yeah, wtf is up with a 50 year old Lt. maybe he got busted down a few ranks for being insubordant so much? can officers get busted down in rank?
and he calls the capt. by his first name?
maybe they were at the academy together or something but willis was a fuck off and got demoted

Quoted: yeah, wtf is up with a 50 year old Lt. maybe he got busted down a few ranks for being insubordant so much? can officers get busted down in rank?

I don't know that they ever give his age in the film.
But, if he were a Mustang, he'd be a bit old for his rank.
How old was Gunny Highway. Clint Eastwood must've been over the mandatory retirment age when he made that film.

I liked it, despite the obvious mistakes.

I mostly liked it for the "God already left Africa" and other quotes. Also the premise of "liberal do good shit gets you hacked up with machetes. Guns get things done" idea. A lot of lefties need to figure out that in the third world a rifle gets you farther than lofty ideals and promises.

Overall I kind liked the movie though.......even with the huge fireballs coming out of the ends of the M4's during the middle of the day.........

Am I the only one who thought Patience and Sister "whateverthefuckhernameis" Mary Ella Phant were both kinda hot?

Oh well hell.

"Hi, I'm Capt Bill Rhodes in the movie.  Whats that, I cant hear you, theres one of those new fucking awesome F/-18 Hornets taking off behind me, and damned if it aint loud.  Anyway, I call my team in the field on my trusty Cigular Pre Paid Wireless service phone.  Check out these bitchin ringtones!  What a minute, I cant hear you again, a giant assed E-2C Hawkeye is landing, and happens to be rolling in my direction.  FUCK!"

Quoted: I like how people can survive RPG explosions just a few feet away from them.

For personel, it is a very uneffective weapon.

Quoted: Quoted: I like how people can survive RPG explosions just a few feet away from them. For personel, it is a very uneffective weapon.

+1 it is a shaped charge warhead - directs most of the explosion into what it just hit.
In this case ------ the dirt.
Watch BHD to see what I mean.
Effective against armor, vehicles, and fortified positions though.

Quoted: does every member of a SEAL team carry suppressors on an extraction mission?

Apparently not, as many members of the team did not have them, making you wonder why the ones with them were using them when the other guys were blasting away.

I didn't know you could get better cell phone coverage (more bars) in a jungle in Africa than I can get in Dallas.

Nice SH-60 "Gunship"  oooo you got ONE 7.62mm door gun!!!

If he was really worried about getting the people out, have the second helo land when they were at the extraction point.  They got the entire seal team plus the doctor with room to spare in one.  They could have probably fit the rest in between the two choppers.  There were only ~30 or so people.

They were not WP Amraams, they were WP Harpoons

Enough with the Cell Phone jokes it was not a Cellular phone it was a satellite phone and they will get better coverage than any Cellular phone period. the problem here is the Captain was talking on a Sat Phone to his team in the field who were using a UHF radio which was not Sat capable period.
"Zee" of one round M203 fame was also carrying the radio... The fellow with the laptop can't recall his name "slo" or some such had some interesting internet coverage in the jungle because he was not carrying a radio but that laptop had some kickin real time satty photo coverage of the area.... Now this can be done in real life bt not without a radio, or even a Sat phone interface for the Laptop.
Except they did not have it. But then Steven Segal used the console off an MX2020 Magnaphone to recall and redirect Cruise missles in under siege.... Lots of things that do not work Commo wise in that movie and Tactics wise... Too bad LT Bruce forgot what his actual mission was but he got to grab her butt so that makes up for failing in his primary mission....

Quoted: Enough with the Cell Phone jokes it was not a Cellular phone it was a satellite phone and they will get better coverage than any Cellular phone period. the problem here is the Captain was

Well the prop they used looked like a cell phone to me.

But if you want to claim it was supposedly a sat phone, fine, that is yet another knock on the movie then. A bunch of people running around with no food or shoes, but they have a sat phone? I am surprised they were not hauling their TIVO units through the jungle.