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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:37:18 AM EDT
The clash of the Mighty Minnows?
 Canada sends navy to Arctic north By Lee Carter BBC News, Toronto  The two boats are marking a 30-year first Canada is sending its navy back to the far northern Arctic port of Churchill after a 30-year absence. The visit by two warships to the area is the latest move to challenge rival claims in the Arctic triggered by the threat of melting ice. The move follows a spat between Canada and Denmark, over an uninhabited rock called Hans Island in the eastern Arctic region. A visit there by Canada's defence minister last month angered the Danes. Now two Canadian warships, the Shawinigan and the Glace Bay, are on a mission to display what Canada calls its territorial sovereignty over parts of the Arctic it believes are within its borders. The dispute seems rather odd, when scientists say the region around the island is unlikely to be rich in oil or other natural resources. But Canada is deeply worried that it has taken what it considers as its Arctic territory for granted. The islands were not included in border discussions between Denmark and Canada more than 30 years ago. Warming concern It is also believed that global warming is causing the rapid melting of the ice across the Arctic, and that could make the legendary North-West Passage linking the Atlantic and the Pacific passable for ships for the first time. The US has already said it regards the passage as an international strait, not Canadian waters. Russia, Norway and Denmark also have competing claims to the continental shelf and the natural resources such as gas and oil that may lie beneath the sea bed. If this all alarms the Canadian government, it upsets environmentalists even more. They say the Arctic is one of the last of the earth's relatively untouched pristine frontiers and that a rush to exploit it will have a devastating impact on marine mammals and the rest of the fragile eco-system there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4175446.stm |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:41:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:42:15 AM EDT
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My bet is with the side with the Exocets.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:51:36 AM EDT
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What armaments do those KINGSTON Class patrol boats carry?
EDIT. I see, 40mm BOFORS and .50 BMGs. Link |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:06:52 AM EDT
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The Danes outgun them big time! The Cannucks will get PoWn3d!!!  Danish Offshore Patrol Vessel Triton The Danish OPV's have a 3" OTO Malera gun, two 20mm Oerlikon cannons, depth charge throwers and a Lynx helo. http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/denmark/frigates/thetis/triton.html ANdy |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:15:14 AM EDT
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Yeah, but the Canadians can charter out the KINGSTONs to fishermen when they are not needed.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 4:08:58 AM EDT
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I thought everyone loved Canadians. |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:00:08 PM EDT
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Celine Dion, Bryan Adams, Pamela Anderson....do I need to go on? Mrs. Broflovski is RIGHT! |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:01:19 PM EDT
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All you need to know about Hans Island… it's just a tiny flyshit on a large scale map!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island The offending Island…  The Canadians…  The Danes… 
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:02:26 PM EDT
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CRIPPLEFIGHT!!
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:03:15 PM EDT
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I have something productive to add:
Euroweenies Thanks - D |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:03:50 PM EDT
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sure is a nice spot of land there bickering over
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:06:27 PM EDT
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Those "warships" look like US Coast Guard cutters.
Do they have anything bigger in their "navy"? |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:07:09 PM EDT
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Total land mass……… 0.5 square miles
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:07:22 PM EDT
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Figures.  Fuck 'em! Drill the damned place and help put the Arabs and the commies in Venezuela out of business! 
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:10:38 PM EDT
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BRING IT, eh !
This has been going on for months now! Those damn Canucks can't keep their half-french hands off our damn property. If we don't stop them now, soon they'll be groping our women!! Problem is, those shify eyed, beer-swilling Canadiens KNOW that so much of our military might ( ) is tied up in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kosovo roight now!As an aside, Denmark is trying to establish that Greenland (our territory) actually extends via continental shelf to the North Pole, which woudl establish Danish sovereingty over the North Pole. Than we'll control Christmas, because Santa will belong to us. Whatcha ya gonna do then, Cananda???  |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:11:06 PM EDT
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Yes, Frigates and Destroyers. Those coastal defense boats are equivalent to US Coast Guard cutters. Methinks the Canadian and Denmark navy folks are going to run into each other, share some cold beers, announce that a "diplomatic incident" has occured, and dump the whole thing back in the laps of the politicians who dropped the ball in the first place.... |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:12:32 PM EDT
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Bush set it up, I'm sure of it
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:14:12 PM EDT
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This is funny.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:15:18 PM EDT
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I was thinking of a Arfcom road trip until looking over the rock in question.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:16:26 PM EDT
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ROADTRIP!
Actually, I read over the blog that they're going to settle the dispute over a 2 out of 3 foozball tourney. FWIW, if I were Dr. Evil, I'd be all over that island. I'd build a top secret base disguised as a glacier.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:19:06 PM EDT
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Being that they are both in NATO,if they went to war,who would we back,or would we just have to come to both their aid
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:19:12 PM EDT
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Shit......We (ARFCOM) could kick their asses.
I say be put our flag up and tell them fuckers to go to hell. Ok j/k |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:21:08 PM EDT
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Danes? Yes they do… A couple of brand new 6,300 ton corvettes with 5" gun, SAM's and Harpoon. Them Molson swilling Half Phrench Canadienne Surrender Monkeys had better be careful!  http://www.navalhistory.dk/English/Naval_Lists/Fleetlist_present.htm |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:22:01 PM EDT
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I roomed with a guy from Canada's fine Air Force while I was training at Lackland AFB for 6 weeks.
What a soak - oi - the trouble he got me in. Anyway, he told me of the secret weakness of the Canadian defense strat: You could invade the entire country quicker than Hitler took over Poland if you simply attacked them early on a Sunday morning. |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:22:56 PM EDT
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What that picture DOESN'T show you is the 50+ portholes on both sides for the oars. Saves fuel. |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:23:20 PM EDT
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The Danes will lose. They are unfortunately fighting two fronts at the same time. The one front is the thing with Canada, the other one is the five-way fight over Rockall against UK, Ireland, Iceland and Greenpeace.
 (Royal Navy Defensive Installation on Rockall) NTM |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:25:12 PM EDT
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My money is on the Canadians. Monroe doctrine tells the Euroweenies to keep their noses out of our hemisphere, so I'm better the US will side with our Northern neighbors.
As for the North Pole... Our subs can go there at will - can the Dane's little boats do that? You can't own what you can't control. |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:25:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:28:46 PM EDT
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I haven't heard about this so I googled it and got this gem (note the article has a map and you can see the rock is much closer to the UK than the Danish settleement): http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/policy/denmark-rockall.html
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:29:09 PM EDT
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Don't mock! The Danish Navy have their 'secret weapon'…… the SVANEN Class (1960- )  http://www.navalhistory.dk/English/TheShips/Classes/Svanen_Class(1960).htm 
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:34:17 PM EDT
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Didn't know they were in service yet. Possible that pic is one that's still fitting out? They're being termed Expeditionary Frigates, and are closer to 4000 tons full load than 6,000. (Even 4000 is higher than the design name, Stanflex 3000 would suggest). Being a Stanflex design, its fit is modular, it may not always have the Harpoons aboard, for example. It does have a bit of a loading ramp for vehicles though, so can land the Danish Armoured Vehicle! NTM |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:36:35 PM EDT
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You'd help the Danes of course ! We helped you in the Iraqi war (and occupation) - and President Bush always remembers who his friends are! ... AND our women are much more attractive!! (I need to get in my digs before Striker locks my account in a fit of nationalistic pride  )
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:40:20 PM EDT
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I'm glad they have that at least! I know their SEAL program has met nothing but obstacles. Their wooden clogs keep giving away their position. |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:40:29 PM EDT
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True, of course. But Canada is like a tick on the back of a rhino. No one's going to invade them and piss-off the rhino. And why would anyone (besides hunting/fishing outfitters) want to invade them anyways? Hockey players on strike just ain't enough, aye?
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:40:46 PM EDT
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If by that you mean that it spends it's summer months covered in inches of biting black flies, I'm hearing ya loud and clear.
 It's still there - although an arguably better defense for it (rather than a brace of soldiers) is the sea itself. |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:51:23 PM EDT
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I find it Ironic that we have ships in mothballs that have WAY more firepower than one of those. I'm sure we could let the Canadians 'Borrow' a mothballed Perry or two.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:56:44 PM EDT
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A crash program to deal with the 'Canadienne' Sitution has meant that the Rubber Soled Combat Assault Clog is now available!  But the Danes also have infinate reinforcements available from Toys 'r' Us!!!!   LEGO!!!! Denmarks secret weapon… |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:13:40 PM EDT
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Dupe
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=382086&page=1#bottom he got you be about 6 min. |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:33:18 PM EDT
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Actually, this rock thing got initially posted a little over a month ago.
I find it Ironic that we have ships in mothballs that have WAY more firepower than one of those. I'd put that SF3000 up against a Perry any day of the week. Could do a Spruance in as well, if not stupidly handled. You're talking a difference of 30 years of technology here. NTM |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:38:40 PM EDT
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Those crests look like the Jagermeister logo  .
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:39:54 PM EDT
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We've got PLENTY of navy ships ready!!  and we're building more ...   |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:41:38 PM EDT
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It's actually the crest of the town I used to live in, in Denmark, called Hørsholm, in Northern Zealand. (The boats are probably out of Rungsted harbor.) |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:50:08 PM EDT
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If there's an EMP, those will control the seas. Now, if you could bring only one rifle to the Arctic Circle, what would it be? |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:54:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:56:51 PM EDT
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Depending on season, Mauser bolt action, or something similar. I knew people who served in the Sirus Patrol - a very "elite" and very small Danish military unit that patrols Northestern Greenland, by dog-sled in the winter! (they go out for several months at a time, just two men, 12 dogs and a sled with a tent and supplies - pitch black 24/7). They only use bolt actions, because they've found nothing else to be reliable enough. Plus, you need a round that can take down polar bear 
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:57:04 PM EDT
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Sounds like a light frigate moreso than a patrol boat.... |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 1:59:35 PM EDT
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Just big enough for a (very small) air station.... |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 2:03:41 PM EDT
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Tainted by "Surrender Monkey" genes.  ET Ask DK-Prof What in the hell is the Sirus patrol patroling for in 24/7 darkness? What are they guarding against? How would they know if they ran up on it? Understand, I'm asking this from the perspective of an Alabaman who has seen snow maybe a dozen times (counting flurries). |
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Posted: 8/23/2005 2:04:44 PM EDT
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Next thing you know, the Danes will send in Vikings............and hands off the North Pole, cause Santa Clause is American!!!
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Posted: 8/23/2005 2:19:22 PM EDT
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I have the solution. Simply divide the island in two. Half the rock goes to the Canucks and half goes to the Danes. ya can post border guards on it to ensure that there are no illegal crossings.
 what do you say DK-Prof, sound like a winner to you? |
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