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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:29:34 PM EDT
The smell of death floated on a sweltering August breeze near the Mexican border, emanating from an immigrant's corpse.
He had expired beneath a mesquite tree on the Tohono O'odham Indian nation 45 miles southwest of Tucson, apparently trying to escape the Sonoran sun, trying to get to America. John Doe No. 130. That's the name and number given to him by authorities in a year when Arizona has set new records for deaths among undocumented immigrants along the state's 389-mile border with Mexico. With about six weeks remaining in the Border Patrol's fiscal year - and more Border Patrol agents patrolling than ever - 201 men, women and children have succumbed to the elements in Arizona. The rest on the story here Link It might just be me but for some reason i really couldnt care less about them.  |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:31:08 PM EDT
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Maybe global warming isn't such a bad thing?!
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:33:15 PM EDT
[#2]
..OK..What I posted wasn't nice, so I had to edit it..
Although these people are human beings, they just need to stay in their country and do things legally.. (There, I niced it up...Now can I have my violin back?) |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:33:15 PM EDT
[#3]
+eleventy billion,,,,
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:33:24 PM EDT
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I am supposed to be sad over this......................I dont think so
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:34:51 PM EDT
[#5]
I should care....but I don't. Guess the hot weather is good for something.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:35:08 PM EDT
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I don't like to hear about children dying but blame the fucking parents for trying to cross a desert with their kids.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:35:59 PM EDT
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take their bones and make a "STAY THE FUCK AT HOME" sign and put it facing south on the border. Let em rot.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:37:19 PM EDT
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Could care less.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:39:01 PM EDT
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Yeah, that is just wrong.................they should call him jose doe
 Illegals dying at record rate in Arizona desert By Dennis Wagner USA TODAY Aug 19, 2005 news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050819/ts_usatoday/illegalsdyingatrecordrateinarizonadesert;_ylt=AkYl6E7s5YAZTeJUTzKq5cgDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl The smell of death floated on a sweltering August breeze near the Mexican border, emanating from an immigrant's corpse. He had expired beneath a mesquite tree on the Tohono O'odham Indian nation 45 miles southwest of Tucson, apparently trying to escape the Sonoran sun, trying to get to America. John Doe No. 130. That's the name and number given to him by authorities in a year when Arizona has set new records for deaths among undocumented immigrants along the state's 389-mile border with Mexico. With about six weeks remaining in the Border Patrol's fiscal year - and more Border Patrol agents patrolling than ever - 201 men, women and children have succumbed to the elements in Arizona. In Pima County, which includes Tohono O'odham and Tucson, so many corpses are waiting to be identified, autopsied and returned to Mexico that the coroner is storing 60 of them in a refrigerator truck. Arizona has emerged as ground zero in the nation's debate over illegal immigration. Minutemen Project volunteers launched patrols this spring to stop border crossers, while humanitarian groups set up water stations and gave medical help to immigrants. "Each of these individuals has dignity, and we need to recognize that," says Beth Sanders of No More Deaths, a coalition of volunteers who cruise the back roads offering water and medical care. Another group, Humane Borders, posts maps on the Mexican side showing where deaths have occurred and warning in Spanish, "Don't go. It's not worth the suffering." But the incursion is relentless. Since Oct. 1, Border Patrol agents have caught more than 500,000 "undocumented aliens" in the agency's Tucson and Yuma sectors, which include all of Arizona and a 16-mile stretch of California's border. No one knows how many got through. In the last week, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared an emergency in their states' border counties, freeing up money for more law enforcement to combat crime and violence linked to illegal immigration. The problem stems from federal border policies dating to the late 1990s. First, the government moved to stop illegal immigration in California and Texas. Next, Border Patrol agents clamped down in urban areas along the nation's 1,951-mile border with Mexico. As a result, smugglers and their human clients have been funneled to a deadly passageway - Arizona's remote desert. By all indications, John Doe No. 130 was among those. His past is unknown. So is where he will wind up. At the mercy of coyotes The passage for hundreds of Mexicans every month begins after dark in Altar, a town along the Sonora highway south of Sasabe, Ariz. Coyotes - smugglers - drive carloads of immigrants north on dirt roads to the barbed wire fence that separates Mexico from the USA. The immigrants, known as pollos (chickens), carry almost nothing: Each has a knapsack, water and a trash bag to sleep on, hide under or wear as a poncho. Many from Mexico's interior cannot comprehend the desert, where summer temperatures reach 115 or higher. Despite Spanish-language media campaigns warning of death, they are spurred by dreams of employment - and by the knowledge that millions have made it before them. Entering the Tohono O'odham wilderness, they dodge motion sensors, video cameras, helicopters and agents with infrared goggles. They hike under starlight along zigzag trails, getting stabbed by cholla cacti and clawed by thorny scrub. In the heat of the day, they hunker down beneath palo verde trees. When something goes wrong, says Border Patrol spokesman Gustavo Soto, the coyotes are ruthless: "They are abandoning people in the farthest extremes of the desert. It is a business to these smugglers, and they don't care if they leave people behind (to die)." Bodies now 'almost routine' On one recent hot day, Sgt. Vincent Garcia of the Tohono O'odham tribal police wheels his four-wheel-drive Suburban near Sells to an open fence along the border. Weeks earlier, at the zenith of Arizona's third-hottest July on record, authorities found six bodies in a single day on the reservation. Garcia, 42, recalls entire years with only one or two. "When we first started coming across UDA (undocumented alien) bodies, it was a big deal: 'Hey, somebody died,' " the 16-year veteran says. "Now, it's almost routine." Minutes later, a dispatcher's voice crackles over the car radio, announcing that BORSTAR, the patrol's search-and-rescue team, has spotted a victim three miles northwest of Comobabi Village. After taking down GPS (global positioning system) coordinates, Garcia meets with homicide Lt. Mike Ford and thrashes along dirt roads through the Sonoran bush. The desert here, 40 miles from Mexico, is littered with plastic water jugs, clothing and other refuse discarded by the tide of immigrants. The road peters out. While Garcia looks for another route, Ford walks the last mile, relying on GPS and his nose. He says he has recovered hundreds of bodies and views it as a service to victims and their families. "If you stand where they died and look around, you can almost feel their desperation at the end," he adds. Ford says John Doe No. 130 probably hiked three days and nights. Flies buzz around the torso. The severed skull rests a few feet away, perhaps moved by animals. Ford treats the area as a crime scene, going to work with gloves, mask, camera and other detective tools extracted from a cardboard box. Near the body, someone has fashioned a cross from two sticks and a strip of torn shirt. Ford completes his investigation, reverently removes a rosary from the shrine and says, "Obviously, somebody cared." As the remains are zipped into a white body bag, the lieutenant wonders: Who was this guy? Where did he come from? What happened? Pima County coroners have so many corpses they no longer conduct full autopsies on decomposed remains of suspected immigrants. Nine days after John Doe No. 130 is recovered, an external examination is completed. The cause of death: hyperthermia, or heat stroke. Bruce Parks, the coroner, says stress overtaxes the body's cooling system. As the body temperature soars to 107 degrees, blood pressure plummets. Vital organs fail. Victims suffer cramps, nausea, exhaustion. Some strip or go crazy. "Ultimately, they just sit down or collapse," Parks adds. Final stop: County graveyard Among the remains of John Doe No. 130, coroners found a Mexican birth certificate for someone named "Concepcion Perez Alvarado." Eric Peters, deputy chief medical examiner, says it is unclear whether that document belonged to the deceased. Police and medical examiners log and preserve details from unidentified bodies - physical marks, clothing, fingerprints, DNA samples - hoping that family members can be traced. The information is shared with the Mexican Consulate's office in Tucson, which keeps a database on missing citizens. In the end, Parks says, about 30% of the victims are never identified. "It's really sad," adds Marisol Vindiola, a spokeswoman for the Mexican Consulate. "They call and say, 'My relative is missing. He was supposed to cross the border, and he never showed up.' " Eventually - sometimes after months in cold storage - Mexican bodies are picked up for embalming by Adair Funeral Home in Tucson, where general manager Patrick Foley provides "repatriation" services at a discount. "We're doing whatever we can," Foley notes. "There's no money to be made." A death certificate must be secured for the trip south, along with a corpse removal permit. Remains are flown by commercial jet in sealed containers to the homeland. Foley says there is a lengthy backlog for flights "due to the volume of deceased going to Mexico." Unidentified bodies, meanwhile, are presumed to be American citizens. They become the responsibility of Anita Royal, Pima County's public fiduciary. She joins the search for survivors. "I have to try to make this a reunion for the family," Royal says. "But at some point you have to give up and bury those bodies. What we typically get are body parts, if you want to be macabre about it. We bury them in baby caskets." Royal shuns the term "potters field," referring instead to the county graveyard as a cemetery for indigents. If the body from Comobabi Village is not claimed, she says, it will be interred there one day under a stone marker that says: John Doe, found Aug. 2, 2005. |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:39:16 PM EDT
[#10]
Well, that's just to fucking bad now isn't it.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:41:04 PM EDT
[#11]
 When I will care:  Sheep |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:41:33 PM EDT
[#12]
I'm glad they are dying.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:42:14 PM EDT
[#13]
How does that song go?- My give a damm is busted"
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:43:27 PM EDT
[#14]
My empathy switch must need recalibration.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:46:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:47:36 PM EDT
[#16]
They need to find a way to make their backs wetter
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:00:51 PM EDT
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I don't care about foreign nationals dying in their own countries of natural causes. Just because they're on American soil doesn't mean I'm going to start caring.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:04:28 PM EDT
[#18]
Sounds to me ike they should stay the hell out of the Arizona desert. (and on their side of the damned border) |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:05:48 PM EDT
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Meanwhile, your local LE angency doesn't have the budget for these very same tests, to use in solving actual crimes against American citizens. Crimes likely committed these very same illegals. |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:09:58 PM EDT
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Huh. In the desert you say? In August you say? I can't imagine why someone crossing the American desert in August would have any trouble at all. Aren't there Evian refreshment stations every few hundred feet? Jim |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:11:28 PM EDT
[#21]
Exactly. They will move hell and earth to get the goddam bones back. Try to give back live ones and suddenly it's problem. Sheep |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:12:22 PM EDT
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My "Give A Shit"'s broken.
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:13:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:27:36 PM EDT
[#24]
 Too bad, so sad. Maybe they should stay home!!!
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:39:06 PM EDT
[#25]
I thought I cities were to broke to pay for Firefighters\Police benefits.........who is deciding these priorities? |
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Posted: 8/19/2005 11:39:28 PM EDT
[#26]
and with all the talk about amensty and "guest working programs" more will try to come over.
build the fucking wall already. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 12:02:58 AM EDT
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Hell if I know...I'm just a city cop. Whoever it is needs a brick upside the head though. Sheep |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 12:31:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:10:53 AM EDT
[#29]
Well I'm sorry. But if Vicente Fox and Jorge Busch don't give a fuck why should I????
If they did care they could stop this shit in a heart beat!!!!..... 
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:14:12 AM EDT
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These are still fucking human beings guys, comn. I don't like illegal immigration either, but you guys are apathetic about the death of children? What the fuck guys...
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:23:02 AM EDT
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Of course we are not apathetic about the death of children, but shouldn't our children come first? Our children are being molested, raped, kidnapped, killed and crippled(dui accidents)by illegals Their government should protect their children(their countries future)by keeping them off the border |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:25:23 AM EDT
[#32]
Government will never give a shit, or can they do a thing about it. That's just the way things are and I accept that. But seriously, sometimes I wonder what you guys are thinking, humans are humans, damn. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:30:30 AM EDT
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We are causing NO harm to these children you are referring to the ILLEGALS are killing OUR children the ILLEGALS are killing THEIR children STOP THE ILLEGALS FROM KILLING CHILDREN |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:32:12 AM EDT
[#34]
My concern isn't with what illegals are doing, it's toward how so many arfcommers are responding with apathy toward human life. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:43:44 AM EDT
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Hey, I'm holding a candle light vigil for the tiny foreign invaders as we speak. I managed to pencil it in between my "small sucide bombers" and "8 year olds hacking eachother up with machetes in the Congo" vigils. Seriously dude, I feel for the kids, but there's kids all over this world dying of bad circumstances. We have our own children to worry about. I wouldn't let MY kid die in the desert. I'm not the one who is apathetic to the death of some kid, his PARENTS are. I also feel bad for you if you cut off your thumb, but I'm not gonna waste my afternoon crying over you either. In fact, I MIGHT even laugh and call you a dumbass if you did something stupid that caused those results. I chalk it up as 130 people who now know the difference between them and a Camel. Some people gotta learn the hard way. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:54:52 AM EDT
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Okay, we are never going to agree on this It is WHAT the illegals are doing that makes them such a threat to ALL Children, THAT is the problem You would be hard pressed to find an Arfcommer that doesn't wish that all the illegal children were safe and sound in their own country instead of dying(or committing crimes)in our country Close the border........no more crossing deaths, no more illegals fleeing justice, no more drug\slave trafficking Many of those children were being brought to this country as sex slaves(10year old whores)by the illegals Arfcommers are not the problem, illegals are the problem............... |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:55:21 AM EDT
[#37]
+1 |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 2:36:39 AM EDT
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and the problem is???????????
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Posted: 8/20/2005 2:52:25 AM EDT
[#39]
im all out of give a fuck
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Posted: 8/20/2005 2:57:45 AM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:00:34 AM EDT
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Darwin is laughing at you. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:28:47 AM EDT
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A good wall or high fence with more heavily armed military patrols 24/7 would prevent this.
Sympathy for the dead is not the solution to the problem, past, present or future. The only solution is to secure the borders to prevent invasion. Until this occurs, those who brave the desert sun act of their own will and suffer the consequences. I shall not feel any sympathy for those who seek to invade my country and if given the task to erradicate them, I'd do so happily. They are no less an enemy to my and my countrymens well being than anyone who would land a plane, parachute, or land a ship of soldiers. They just do their damage on the sly, depleting the resources, wealth and lifes blood of those who work and pay the bills to keep this country going, demanding services, sending money out of the country, bleeding the economy, paying nothing into a system that they so eagerly take advantage of. Until the sun baked bones of those who invade my country are a high enough obstruction so as to prevent others from climbing over them, not enough have perished. Let them expend their energies, sacrifice their lives and safety in the process of improving their own country and stay the hell out of mine. Fuck'em! |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:31:42 AM EDT
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For crying out loud man... They are human beings BUT... Illegals are just that ILLEGAL...they are violating the LAW. You dont see Americans forcing Mexicans to march across the desert do you? These people did this of their own free will, and they paid the price for it. I dont feel sorry for them. The ones that make it need to be rounded up, and detained in giant tent camps with armed guards until they can be deported. Employers should be put in jail for hiring these people. Deny them all public services, schools, medical, welfare, etc. The message needs to be sent back to Mexico, that people who want to come to the USA, need to get the proper paperwork, or they will live like escaped convicts. Unfortunately, no politician has the cajones to do such a thing I have no problem with people who come to the US legally. At least they had common courtesy to respect the laws of our country. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 3:50:31 AM EDT
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Wait a minute..........I'm beginning to give a rat's ass......I can feel the purple liberal piss running down my leg........OH!.....false alarm..my colostomy bag split open again.
 Guess i still don't give a rat's ass about foreign invaders dying who are swarming up from mexico........and.......trying.to sneak into my MY Country ...and dying in the dessert.   |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 4:08:27 AM EDT
[#45]
 And notice who is standing center stage by the Seal…
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Posted: 8/20/2005 4:24:38 AM EDT
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I couldn't care less if I tried.
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Posted: 8/20/2005 6:22:46 AM EDT
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wow vinny and his wife don't look very hispanic. I wonder if they put "white" down for thieir race on .gov forms? |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 6:39:41 AM EDT
[#48]
DILLIGAF ? uh ................................... 
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Posted: 8/20/2005 6:53:44 AM EDT
[#49]
Good. |
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Posted: 8/20/2005 7:06:33 AM EDT
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Just to make sure that I get this, Walrus, I am supposed to be concerned about a group of people that make a CONCIOUS decision to cross a desert on foot in the heat of the summer without enough provisions?!? They also know that they are willfully violating the laws of the Country that they ar entering and run/hide from that Country's law enforcement?!? I am jamming my thumb into both of my eyes trying to force a tear.....sorry. After all it's not like someone was clubbing baby walruses for their blubber....
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