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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:04:10 PM EDT
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Yeah but you're getting a better firearm buying U.S.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:05:02 PM EDT
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I would love to buy one of those as much as most I imagine, but I've been having lots of thoughts about where the money I spend eventually ends up. Ultimately any money you spend on a Norinco product ends up in the pocket of the Chinese gov't. So I guess its really no skin off my back that Norinco's products are banned for importation.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:05:57 PM EDT
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Fuck the Chinese!
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:07:03 PM EDT
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Klinton banned chinese imports
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:09:03 PM EDT
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And gave China "Most Favored Nation" trading status. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:11:20 PM EDT
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I thought that President Bush banned importation of Norinco products back in 2003 (for two years)? |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:11:35 PM EDT
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Ahh but so many people here buy Toyotas and say Fuck the american economy. The money eventually goes to Japanese pockets and costs US jobs. Same principle, former enemy vs potential enemy. 
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:13:23 PM EDT
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Correct. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:13:27 PM EDT
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Do you have any idea how many Americans work for Japanese car companies? |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:15:42 PM EDT
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Bush's ban was company wide for every product. Guns were already banned by Klinton. Technically I guess you can ban something twice. www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-05-22-norinco-usat_x.htm Once a manufacturer of tanks, machine guns and other weapons, Norinco has diversified and now produces more than 4,000 products, including light industrial goods, electronics, textiles, handicrafts, motorcycles and guns. A State Department official said the company exports more than $100 million worth of products to the United States annually. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:16:24 PM EDT
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Toyota employs 200,000 in the US
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:16:57 PM EDT
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Because the Chinese are in NO WAY our friends..It's bad enough that they have us hooked on cheap trinkets at every store we buy at (Walmart ain't the only sell-out corporation in town...), we don't need to help them make better guns by buying what they sell now.
IMO, there really isn't any difference between a Chinese private Enterprise and all of the companies that operate under the ChiCom umbrella. For the record, Norinco is government owned. I don't want to get all high and mighty because I recognize the futility of trying to live a chinese-free life, but ask yourself how many pairs of boots and uniforms can be bought for the profit of a single M1A.. Dave |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:17:06 PM EDT
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My Tacoma is made in Kalifornia ETA: dont forget all the Camero and F body GM cars bought by US customers, they were made in Canada during most of the 90's |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:17:25 PM EDT
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Dont worry, American companies will fill the gap. Stick it to 'em and BUY AMERICAN COPPIES OF CHICOM CRAP!
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:22:48 PM EDT
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+1 but there are so many we need to split them up, I'll start with the chicks you start wth the guys 
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:28:15 PM EDT
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If they wanna stop the importation of all things Chinese into this country, I will support that. But to stop a Chinese compant from selling guns and ammo to the US market while allowing tons of other Chinese stuff to come in is BS.
I can understand the reason Bush took this stance toward Norinco.....selling missile parts to Iran is serious business. But the Clinton ban was BS. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:32:19 PM EDT
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DO you have a TV?
What about a Stereo? Check your cell phone. Check your monitor you are reading this from. You cant live the way you do nad not buy foriegn goods. Also, after the first purchase of an item is made, no more money will go to anyone but the guy you baught it from. If it was as some of you say, I would I would sell used cars for a living....well for a couple years anyway because after that ever time the owner sold the car, I would get cash  |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:32:50 PM EDT
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No he didn't. He only banned domestic manufacture of "assault style" weapons. Bush Sr. banned most Chinese firearms from import. Bush Jr. banned everything else not covered by the 89 Import Ban. Important Notice to American Clients: while the 1994 Crime Bill (assault weapons ban) has ended, Chinese-made Norinco firearms are still prohibited from entering the United States under a different U.S. import ban. We would love to sell these firearms to Americans but the U.S. government will not let us. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:33:35 PM EDT
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Actually US made Springfields pretty much suck these days. Polytech made forged receivers. Not sure about Norinco but they probably suck. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:34:38 PM EDT
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blame the corporation that has shit made in China. Greed is good for the stockholders you capitalist running dog
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:35:07 PM EDT
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+1 on the polytech Also the money I spend on them is certainly not going to the Chinese. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:36:39 PM EDT
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Polytech is a division of Norinco I believe. ETA: I've actually heard the polytech M1As are better than the american ones... Don't know myself, since no one is selling them. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:40:58 PM EDT
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And how many american jobs would be lost if domestic producers go out of business? Where does your money go? ....... JAPAN On this note, if we quit buying Chicom goods how many longshoremen lose their jobs? Truck drivers? Wally world employees? The argument that somehow jap cars dont suck the life from the US economy is laughable. Damn, hijaking my own thread..... WTF.... I had a chicom M14 years back, the bolt sheared a lug and had a KB. I'd replace the bolt straight off before firing a shot. It was accurate though and pretty reliable until the boom. The rifle did survive however but it killed the mag and dumped the contents on the ground. 
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:28:36 PM EDT
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Polytech is forged, Springfield is cast. Sadly the ONLY decent American M1A will be a LBR receiver wth a custom built using USGI parts. This will run you about $2,500 or so. It is a CRIME that no US company makes a decent M1A for the price of a DSA FAL.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 11:15:39 PM EDT
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+1,000,000,000 I've seen a fed ord used one locally with TRW bolt and oprod for $750 and for some stupid reason didnt buy it... 
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Posted: 8/15/2005 12:58:32 AM EDT
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I haven't had any problems with my 1911s. Or my M1A for that matter, after I dumped the chinese magazines. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 4:30:19 AM EDT
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Technically true, but Norinco firearms and ammunition were banned specifically by Klinton in 1994, so Bush's "everything else" just banned Norinco firearms and ammunition for the second time, they were already banned when he banned them. Boatloads of MAK90's and SKS's came in after the 1989 import ban, Norinco and others just make them 922R compliant. Norinco ammo kept on coming in till 1994 or so as well. The Bush Jr. ban wasn't a Norinco specific ban unlike Klinton's and Bush Sr. ETA: NRA link "in 1994, President Clinton, by Executive Order, banned importation of firearms and ammunition from Red China, then a major exporter of AK-47-type semi-automatic rifles." That's when the MAK-90's stopped being imported. Keep in mind too, Norinco made 1911, M1A, and Uzi clones with thumbhole stocks as well, they were imported after the Bush Sr. 1989 ban. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 6:29:04 AM EDT
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SteyrAUG writes
It is a CRIME that no US company makes a decent M1A for the price of a DSA FAL. +1 I guess I'm naive but it always amazes me that the big companies like RemChester and Rugarlin only cater to the once-a-year deer or duck hunter and ignore the people that buy guns and ammo by the box car like us. You want to buy an AR ?. Kolt doesn't want to sell you one, you have to buy it from a smaller shop like Armalite or Bushmaster etc. You want inexpensive ammo in bulk conatainers that are water-tight for long term storage ? Buy imported or surplus. Remchester is happy selling $18 dollar boxes of 20 .270 or whatever wacky flavor of the month caliber the gun magazines are pushing. (.223 BDSM or whatever) Police service weapon ?. 99% carry Glock or SIG. Austria and Gemany If you want any kind of inexpensive self -defense homeland security weapon system you almost HAVE to buy from overseas. SKS/AK/FAL/etc. I guess the stock holders from the big gun companies are happy or they would go nuts when they see their lost market share coming ashore in container ships full of products they won't sell. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 6:32:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2005 6:43:37 AM EDT
[#30]
Good point. Buy Chinese to keep American jobs! It's patriotic! |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 6:50:05 AM EDT
[#31]
I had one and it was Teh Suck. Receiver was badly out of alignment (even the rear sights wouldn't stay put) and the rest of the rifle was no beauty either. I've read reviews that raved about the metal of the Polytech receiver, and many people have willingly spent good money to true the receiver and replace the bolt (very weak). I must have gotten one of the bad ones. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:29:44 AM EDT
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well, it's a whole lot more complicated than that. MFN, I mean: www.wcit.org/resources/publications/issue_briefs/ib_china_mfn_status.htm www.ncseonline.org/nle/crsreports/economics/econ-87.cfm?&CFID=4517757&CFTOKEN=29690014 |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 1:18:41 PM EDT
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You must have gotten a badone as you said. All mine run perfect. The only troubles I have had have been with mags. Replaced with usgi and havent looked back. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 1:25:27 PM EDT
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Don't forget the ugly grey finish and the really shitty (soft) wood. One thing I've seen that is universally agreed upon is the bolt. Headspace is weak and the metal is very soft. Everybody I've spoken with says to replace it. Fulton Armory has a package, IIRC. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 1:58:19 PM EDT
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I don't think the US companies catering to a particular market is the problem. The problem is too much trade protectionism. The US companies can use some competition. It is healthy for the company, for the shareholders and for the marketplace. Sorry, but the employees need to stay competitive too. 20 years on a job is something my grandpa did, not my father and certainly not me. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 2:02:20 PM EDT
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Finish, grey but not bad. The wood is not soft as you say. Not sure were you would draw the line on that. For example, I have about 5000 rounds thru one and the wear on the wood is not worse then any other gun I have. Also out of that 5k, I bet at least 4000 were rapidfire or bumpfired. So its not like I have been exactly easy on them. I have one that has a bolt replaced the others still have the chicom bolt and run fine. I check the HS often and havent seen any trouble. The whole headspace issue IMHO is over blown. Yes there were some that had issues, but airline travel, you only here about crashes. Honestly, from the SAs I have seen, I would take a poly over a standard SA anyday. Even if it was at the same price. I have seen way to many springfields with troubles right out of the box and that just pisses me off. CH |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 2:59:14 PM EDT
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Like the thousands of jobs created by the Honda plant in Alabama?  ETA: The deficits run by the federal government are infinitely more dangerous than the amount of money made from Wal-Mart, etc. WalMart employs more people than any mom and pop store ever could. Talk to the Feds about allowing to much US debt in China. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 9:06:06 PM EDT
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I'm sure you guys will all be happy to have american companies owned by foreign interests. Chrysler is dead, the germans own it. How long before GM and Ford? How would you like to have your company gobbled up by Yatsushima international? American honda is an oxymoron. It's not made in america, just assembled here. It's a jap car.
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Posted: 8/15/2005 9:28:52 PM EDT
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How would one go about acquiring the legal right to build old guns that aren't built domestically anymore?
Sounds like a challenge for some gun-friendly entrepeneur to me. |
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