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Posted: 8/14/2005 4:37:13 PM EDT
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I don't envy you. Sounds like administration feels their decisions are perfect. They choose the ammo so of course it MUST work in everyones' guns. Idiots all of 'em.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 4:45:10 PM EDT
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Yeah, right when you get used to one load they swap them on you. Pure genius!
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Posted: 8/14/2005 4:50:05 PM EDT
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They probably don't even understand why anyone would want to test the ammo (accuracy/reliability/muzzle flash/controlability/etc). They would never imagine that anyone would shoot 200 rounds of it.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:33:21 PM EDT
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And since everyone must use the issue ammo the only solution if it is not reliable in your gun is to retire the weapon and buy another. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:45:48 PM EDT
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I guess this is a stupid question from a non JBT type, but, don't they issue practice ammo?
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:16:40 PM EDT
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Ammo for range qual and training is a lead free FMJ type, not JHP duty ammo. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:21:51 PM EDT
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You could always find a job in the public sector - with us little people.
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Posted: 8/15/2005 1:42:38 AM EDT
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I buy a few thousand rounds a year...I shoot it anyway, and it comes off my taxes.
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Posted: 8/15/2005 4:52:36 AM EDT
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So your solution would be that you were carrying 13year old ammo?
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Posted: 8/15/2005 5:07:50 AM EDT
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Let us know how you like it and how the gun likes it. That HST ammo is suposed to be pretty damn good. I was impressed by what I saw of it.
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Posted: 8/15/2005 5:19:41 AM EDT
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Once again David graciously volunteers to help with his stunning insight!
 Our lives are now richer! Seriously, I think that AR15fan is complaining about the fact that his employer seems to switch loads every time the wind changes. Thus, he is incurring the expense of function testing the ammo from his personal funds rather than running around like Barney Fife with a handgun that has the utility of a paperweight. SBG |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 5:27:28 AM EDT
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it probably has little to do with load effectivness or quality and more to do with who gives them the best price when they go shopping for new ammo.
my reccomendation is to go to the chief/mayor /city council. you have a valid concern. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 8:57:51 AM EDT
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+1. Also, you should be writing this off as a legitmate (sp) business expense. Merlin |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 9:44:31 AM EDT
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No. My solution would be to test all the available ammo, poick the best load made. then stick with it. Issuing new ammo every year. Not changing brands, bullet type and bullet weight every couple years chasing a majic bullet or lowest bottum line. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 9:45:43 AM EDT
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Performed terribly in ammolab and Doctor Roberts testing. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 9:57:44 AM EDT
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Can you point out those tests? I'm headed to the range right now to test reliability in my wife's Kahr. I searched briefly and didn't find anything negative except for the first batches. It didn't look terrible in these tests: Thread le.atk.com/pdf/San.pdf |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:00:07 AM EDT
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That was the old HST. The new stuff did very well. It is on Doc Roberts recommendation list (in certain loadings): Carry Ammo |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:02:20 AM EDT
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We had to buy our own duty ammo. Everybody carried something different. Although most of the auto guys carried Hydoshok's.
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:03:09 AM EDT
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Of course it looked good in Federal run testing... www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000780#000000 "It SEEMS that this HST ammo is not as good as the maker claims to be. If I were you, I'd stick to the RA9T ammo you are currently using. RA9T has proven track record, where the HST does not. The Doc has also shown that HST expands POORLY in denim." www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000754#000000 "If you use the search function and search for "hst" within this forum, you'll find more info. Despite some widely publicized tests sponsored by Federal, the HST is not the best design - overall, or from Federal. Their "tactical" line is better." |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:03:28 AM EDT
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At my department and those around me, no. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:05:06 AM EDT
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The sheriff's department around here has changed CALIBERS 4 times in the past ten years.
They went from 9mm to .40 to .357 Sig and are now using .45 acp. I have no idea who pays for all of this. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:10:13 AM EDT
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Look in the mirror in the morning when you shave. The "payer" will be looking at you.
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:18:31 AM EDT
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LOL! Well yeah, I knew that.... I meant I don't know if the S.O. pays for all of their ammo or if the officers have to pay for some of it. |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:20:23 AM EDT
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Taken from the thread glenn linked to.
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:48:56 AM EDT
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Prhaps you should re-read some of that stuff, Doctor Roberts wrote in the thread linked by Glenn
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Posted: 8/15/2005 10:55:43 AM EDT
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On reveiw it appears that as of May 2005 there is an improved version of the HST ammo. I have no idea when my issued ammo was purchased, but they have been issuing it since june 04 at least. Doesnt look good...
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Posted: 8/15/2005 6:26:55 PM EDT
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Until a couple of months ago, we only shot duty rounds. All ammo is provided, and you can shoot as much as you want. If you don't shoot A BUNCH of duty ammo, you won't be able to pick up on reliability issues and bad lots of ammo. We have been issuing various generations of Winchester Ranger for a decade with no problems; it runs reliably, and has worked in shootings. RA40T is about as cheap as Ball, too, if you are buying in FET extreme bulk quantities.
I don't trust the hype from Federal on ANY of their new loads. Good luck. |
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Posted: 8/16/2005 4:28:18 AM EDT
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I honestly don't think it's hype with the HST I think it's as good as they say it is. Of ocurse I need to get up to a shop that has some so I can get a couple hundred rounds and do som of my own testing with it, but I still don't think of it as hype. |
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Posted: 8/16/2005 4:56:16 AM EDT
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Years ago...back in the revolver days...my agency decided to finally restrict us to only .357mag weapons and issue ammo (we bought our own revolvers...speedloaders were forbidden...really!) they gave us 18 rounds of Speer 158gr. JHP. I ordered 4 boxes for myself and sighted my Python with it, then switched out ammo every 6 months or so afterwards, buying a box or two when I could and shooting the old stuff, etc.
About a year and a half after they issued those 18 rounds, we had a shift inspection. (The goobers in charge then could not find their ass with both hands but they were Hell for "inspections"!) My Lt. asked me if the rounds in my Colt were those issued to me, and I said "You're joking, right? I shot those the day I got them!" He was NOT joking, and promptly wrote me up. The "Aw Shit" made it as far as the Chief Deputy before it was thrown in the trash. They never reissued ammo during the four years the administration was in charge! 
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