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Posted: 8/13/2005 7:08:53 PM EDT
Well guys it was two years ago I posted about quiting my 25 year career in corporate America and striking out on my own. Thought you guys would enjoy update.
It was hard to make the decision to break the routine of working for others and what I now know was totally misguided concept of job security for in reality there never was any but you are only as good as the next time you piss the wrong person off. To do this, I developed an attitude of I was looking for a job when I found that one and I was poor once and can be again. I've kept this attitude over the last two years and it helps. The things I have learned were numerous. Fincially it's been a rollercoaster. One day I feel I'm rich the next day I'm going broke. This is the stress of being self employed. Still it's a mere pitence of stress compared to someone always looking over your back, second guessing what you do, and holding your life in his hand. In hard times, it has helped to remember this. All in all though, my bills have been paid on time and I have more money in the bank than I did before. I know you have heard this a thousand times but I really thought I knew the burden of taxes but didn't until I had to write that damn quarterly check. Watching your bank account climb like a rocket to only see it sink like a ship brings the whole concept of taxes home like a catcher spiking his counterpart in a baseball game. Working at home has its own set of issues. Your boss is an slave driver for it's you. The work is always there calling out to you like a siren in the Ocean. Like a siren I learned if you listen to their song they will sink your ship. You can only do so much work before you start spinning your wheels like bald tires on ice. When you start typing things three times, it's time to quit. I miss the commute every day for it is quiet time and calming. With my wife taking a job and going back to school and me working at home, I find myself taking on more of the domestic duties she once did. Even though my work doesn't call for a separate office outside the home, I seriously am considering it anyway since it will have some advantages separating home from work. Probably the biggest lesson I learned is medical insurance companies suck shit. I have a pre-existing condition so like a good trusting sheep I followed the rules and milked my Cobra until finished, filled out my Hippa forms, and still the new insurance company refused to cover my pre-existing condition. They literaly don't pay shit on almost nothing but sure like my monthly premiums. I learned many doctors talk a good line of shit but that's all it is for when you offer them cash most still charge you the limit even though if the insurance covered it they would get only 60% of that and wait three months to get the money. My wife has no insurance where she works and sees employees, unmarried with children, getting up to 8 free scripts a month, as many doctor visits as they want, and even chiriopractors three times a week. It is very frustrating. When it's all said and done, I'm 1,000 times happier than two years ago for all the negatives put together doesn't equal one bad day working in corpoarate America. There you go guys! Tj |
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I went the opposite route. Tired of the financial roller coaster and employees whom no matter how smart they are one day, kick you in the shorts and the pocket book the next.....no thanks. You're 100% right on the health care system...we used be privately funded....want to talk about expense?
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Congrats, Tom.
It was the best move I ever made as well. It took me a solid 5 years of struggle, but it has been pretty good for the last 7 And the last 2 have REALLY been good |
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I hope you make out like a king.
So how many girls are you running? And do you give group discounts? |
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I've been in manufacturing....machining to be exact. Yeah we've been getting our ass kicked so its soured me to the whole deal. Congrats to the others who have had better luck.
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Great story, TJ!
Here's to your health, even better times and hoping you make a fortune! HH |
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Thinking about it myself.
Any advice? Several ideas, first of which is providing low cost medical services for cash only AND cheaper. |
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I went out on my own almost one year ago to the day.
Everything you said above is very true. The two biggest lessons you learn are taxes and insurance. They will take up well over 50% of your income. I cry when i have to write those checks. All in all I am still struggling but it is by FAR better than have a boss and a bosses boss. I gave up great insurance and a steady paycheck to get where I am today. If I had to do it all over again I would in a heart beat. Nothing beats the freedom of being self employed...... Nothing. |
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Also curious what type of business you run, if nothing else atleast it is yours. As you know, it takes time for these things to mature. I wish you the best.
ETA: taxes and insurance, the state you work in can effect this greatly. |
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Actually I started my carren in design engineering then almost by hapenstance went into sales. After all those years and numerous moves from one state to another, I was VP of Sales & Marketing/Engineering with a major company that manufactured a extremely nicth OE engineered product that crosses about every industry. I was tops in my field. Sometimes your success is your downfall. We did so well that we were bought out by a bigger company that chewed us up into pieces and shipped all the jobs overseas. When the capital investors decided to run the business and started making decsions like chapter 11 to break the union which I new would just be the companies decline with no recovery for years, thentold if I work damn hard 24/7 all I would get was a pay cut, I got to do what everyone in corporate America would love to do. I told them to take this job and shove it! They told me that if I competed they would sue me. The look on their face when I told them I never signed a non-compete nor even a non-disclosure was priceless. I didn't even have to look for work but just start taking the phone calls. Not bragging but pushing my buttons and then letting me walk out the door was the stupidest thing that company ever did I have seen some stupid shit in my day. I hooked up with a company that owns a company in Poland. We then got exclusives for the same products from two other companies in Poland. I'm there national sales rep and application design consultant. I have other reps that work for me in other parts the country and travel more that I care but then I always did. Since we manufacture, stock, and deal in US dollars while enjoying the benifits of both Polish hard working educated but lower labor rates, I now have the all keys of success which I call PDQR, price, delivery, quality, and response. It's great. Tj |
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What I do is above. Where I live is TN. Since there is virtualy no liability in what I do and looking at taxes as I set my company up, I chose to be a self properiatership. In TN, that means no state income tax nor any special taxes. Heck I even used my name for the company and family crest for the logo so no one could sue me. Just in case though, I retain a legal service on a monthly premium. Haven't used them much since I handled most of that stuff for the corporation I worked for anyway such as contracts and agreements. Tj |
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Sounds good. Being self employed carries a lot of responsibilities but also a lot of rewards.
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Rather not say bud for if my competition is reading this forum they will know who I am and what I'm doing. It is a real small nitch and everyone knows everyone. Heck most of them worked for me. Tj |
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In the oil business? |
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TJ,
You may have already explored this, but see if putting your wife on the payrol will help your health insurance issues. My and my wifes health is very poor on paper. I lost a kidney, the other one is so-so, high blood pressure, heart issues, etc. My wife has issues with cronic woman-suff. Generally speaking I don't think we are insurable for personal coverage. We did however get insurance through the corporation as a "group" (2 or more employees is a group). They basically give you a preset rate and can not adjust upward more than 80% based on pre-exsisting issues. They do cover pre-exsisting conditions but there might be a waiting period. For example, if you were uninsured for 6 months prior, then the waiting period would be 6 months. I hope I expained this accurately and well. Best of luck to you. If you keep working for that "slave driver" you are bound to do well ! |
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Tom, that's great to hear.
I have a home business that has done pretty well the last 5 years but am still working a 9-5 corp job mainly for the benefits like health coverage for the family and a steady paycheck/retirement system. I've kicked around the idea of quitting but they keep giving me raises...which is kind of strange. Anyway I would recommend you look into setting up an S-corp. I did the sole-propietorship thing for a couple of years and ended up with some ridiculous tax payments to cover. It helped a lot when we filed as an S-corp since it's not all personal income. I don't know what your income status is but you should talk to an accountant and look into S-corp status if for nothing else than saving a little money on taxes. I think the break point is somewhere around 75-100k/year where the S-corp starts saving most people money over a sole proprietorship. you're also 100% correct about stroking those quarterly estimated payments. Total bullshit and if everyone had to do this (instead of witholding and company SS match) there'd be friggin riots in the streets. Good luck man. |
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We sell cleaning equipment and cleaning chemicals to the oil field. So I quess I am in the minority on not being upset with the price of gas and oil. |
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My grandfather and both my Uncles have made major money owning Machine shops. Sturm Inc, and RPM Inc to be exact. They make pump parts for water pumps I think. Something like that.
I thought about getting in that business after I get out of the Army and school. |
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BECOME A FFL!
BE YOUR OWN BOSS. MAKE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ASK ME HOW. Seriously congrats and good luck. |
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Big +1 If the avg american actually had to pay every month or quarter, there would be a revolution.
+1 Insurance companies are not your friend. The flip side of the doctor coin is a lot of docs are afraid of self pay patients. For example. Joe Cash comes in complaining of heartburn and the OTC stuff isn't cutting it. He wants "the purple pill "he has seen on TV. Well, doc is afraid it is his heart, not his gut so he wants to get some blood work, an EKG and stress test. Mr. Cash says no way and is pissed because he didn't get the script for the purple pill he has heard so much about. A month later he drops dead from a massive heart attack. Mrs. Cash doesn't know anything about doc's concerns about poor 'ol Joe's heart. She only knows he has been complaining of pain, saw good ol doc, and now Joe is dead. The greasy haired lawyer on the back of the yellow pages is telling her she is "entitled to compensation." Case gets filed because Dewey Cheatem is new to the game and figures he can get the malpractice insurance company to roll over for a couple hundred thousand since Mr Cash was a family man and it will play good in front of a jury of "peers" (you know, the ones that think jury pay is a raise). Even if the case gets dismissed, which they usually do without payment of "damages", the doc's malpractice insurance company shelled out $30-60,000 for the defense. And it drags out for 3-4+ years. What seems so simple at first, such as GI upset, can be the tip of a medical and financial iceberg and a lot of docs don't want to get involved with it. In medicine, your damned by the insurance companies if you do, and damned by the lawyers if you don't. While the doc get chewed up in the process, the patient is the ultimate loser in the end. |
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You forgot the part about the SASE and $5.00 |
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Understood. Congrats on your corporate freedom! |
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10 years on my own here and would never go back. You are right about the roler coaster, but beats rotting in a cubicle and waiting for the ax.
Taxes should be paid quarterly by everyone, no withholding, write that check, OUCH! Health care is a challenge (and no prescription coverage - too bad I'm not an illegal, then would probably get meds for free) Best part is leaving the office politics behind and not making some ahole rich while they tell you they "just can't afford any raises this year" (while they are building new mansions in Florida) |
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In that case I am all for it.
Plenty of people get cut slack if they say they are paying out of pocket. Tell the doc when he is seeing you. If he/she is a dick, find another. I understand the frustration with paying taxes for losers to reap benefits while the hard working get screwed. Totally FUBAR'd and it makes no sense but in our current societal arrangement everything is backasswards and the tail wags the dog. There is only one solution and it isn't the voting booth. Sad to watch the greatest nation ever become populated by scumsucking losers who sell their votes to socialist politicians with no intent but the maintenace of power and the destruction of their country. They won't stop, ever, until we kick their ass. |
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I'm going back out on my own this week. My employer was crushed and asked if there was anything they could do to retain me.
I said yeah, pay me 3x more than you are doing now, because that's what I plan on making! They said they would hire me back in a freelance capacity, so it's all good. |
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I had my own buisness and went back to the corp world. It was hard to both market the business and do the work at the same time. I got tired of clients who you bust a nut over screwing you, not paying or cutting your contract because some fly by nighter gave them a cheaper quote.
While the politics are maddening in the corp world, I enjoy the vacation time (seldom taken when working for myself). My benefits and medical are very good. While I'll never get rich, I haved saved and invested enough money that with my pension when I retire in 9 years, I will never have to work again. |
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I am 19 and have legal been in business for 1 year, but only fully worked for myself for the last 3 months. Its hard running a business at such a young age. All my friends go out and party and i have to stay home and work on estimates or mail out bills to customers. Somedays i feel rich others i am broke. In 3 years when i would be getting out of college if i went i should be making way over 100k a year.
Nothing beats being your own boss. Matt |
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<==Taking a small break from getting caught up for Monday. (@ 6 PM on a Sunday afternoon )
6+ years out on my own, and I used to say "I'll never go back to working for someone else again". Taxes (~47% Fed and State) suck, but the wife's got a great job and has me on her work Health policy. Insurance still eats away at my bottom line in the form of General Liability (2M + a 1M umbrella rider), and Worker's Comp (13%). Virtually no overhead or inventory, but work is seasonal, and (so it seems) are customers that actually pay on time. I'd love to keep fighting the good fight, but "Welcome to Wal-Mart" (instead of "So...when are you going to paying us that 30G's you owe?") would be a phrase that I could get used to. Who knows when that'll happen, but when it does, it'll be because I chose the time to get out. Aint self-employment wonderful? ETA: If you think America would revolt when it comes to paying taxes monthly or quarterly, you ought to know that your employer pays a matching amount of your FICA taxes, along with all of the S/FUTA for you. God forbid an employee would actually have to write those checks as well, or we truly would have a revolution on our hands. |
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The NRA has a prescription program. I know. When I was unemployed, I used it. |
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Congrats, TJ!
It's three years this month that I struck out on my own. Not rich, never will be, and it ain't easy, but it has plenty of rewards. Good luck to you. |
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