up to 30,000 troops could pull out by next spring

first mistake, we sent the troops too early and too little. We underestimated the whole situations.

second mistake is coming, we are going to pull up the troops too soon and too much. We underestimatd the whole situaiton again.

will Iraq become a "librated country" or a "terrorists-ever-wanted soil"?

This is only my opinion.

what do you think???

I've heard that a gradual pull-out could start by next spring.  So long as we don't leave stuff unfinished over there it shouldn't be a problem.

OTOH, if this new surge in violence keeps up I don't think we should go anywhere.

what do I think?

I think your opinion sucks

I don't really know what the true status of everything is in Iraq. The news media is pretty hostile to the effort and paints a grimest picture whenever possible, and the public doesn't have privy to the sensitive information needed to make this decision. We as the public really can't tell because we don't have the right info to make a sound decision one way or the way other.

My GUESS based on news reports, would be probably not.

Quoted:  The news media is pretty hostile to the effort and paints a grimest picture whenever possible, and the public doesn't have privy to the sensitive information needed to make this decision. .

Well, Rumsfeld describes our progress and future in Iraq as a long "hard slog".
Cheney, on the other hand, thinks the insurgency is in its "last throes".

Maybe Cheney watches Fox Morning edition, and Rumsfeld sticks to Headline news.
Rumsfeld is, I believe, the correct one in this assessment.

You think there's a bunch of extremely positive 'sensitive information' about this situation? Like "Al Qaeda nearly finished fighting, was surprised by cleverness of "fight them in Iraq" strategy and sent EVERYONE in.  Rebuilding almost complete.  3rd largest mall about to be built in Ramadi"

Seriously, I think the public has the information it needs.  Rusty Humphries visited Iraq a few months ago and was almost screaming at the insane jinks and G forces the plane had to pull just to make a safe landing.

I'm not saying we should leave yet, but let's face it... It's pretty fucked up over there.