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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - VPC at it again: "SKS RIFLES" propaganda

Posted: 8/5/2005 8:01:50 AM EDT

http://www.vpc.org/graphics/sksfactsheetfinal.pdf#search='sks%20assault%20rifle'

LEAVE LINK COLD

I hate these guys.

Attributing some sort of magnificent "cop killer" quality to the gun is just bogus.

They are more prevelant in criminal hands because they are one of the most purchased and affordable guns in anyone's hands.

I really hate when they say that the "guns killed"

Horseshit.

The guns WERE USED BY GOBLINS to kill...

Posted: 8/5/2005 8:04:05 AM EDT

[#1]

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... Attributing some sort of magnificent "cop killer" quality to the gun is just bogus.

They are more prevelant in criminal hands because they are one of the most purchased and affordable guns in anyone's hands...

Bingo. I had to explain that rather bluntly to a young medical examiner at a death review meeting last year - right after three officers were killed in one incident with one here.

ETA: Just read the link and saw that they mentioned that shooting, of course.

Posted: 8/5/2005 8:05:13 AM EDT

[#2]

I love how they use the Norinco D model in the picture as if to imply that all SKS rifles use AK mags

Posted: 8/5/2005 8:06:04 AM EDT

[#3]

Damnit!

Looks like i will be buying a CRATE in honor of sarah brady sooner than i thought.

this is not a joke.

Posted: 8/5/2005 8:07:34 AM EDT

[#4]

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Damnit!

Looks like i will be buying a CRATE in honor of sarah brady sooner than i thought.

this is not a joke.

Yup, I've noticed that some vendors are selling YUGOs by the crate at fun shows in the last year or two.

Posted: 8/5/2005 8:09:49 AM EDT

[#5]

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Damnit!

Looks like i will be buying a CRATE in honor of sarah brady sooner than i thought.

this is not a joke.

Yup, I've noticed that some vendors are selling YUGOs by the crate at fun shows in the last year or two.

REALLY?!

Im just looking for that damn crate!

folks are wanting to charge me 200-250 for a damn wood box.
Not gonna happen when i can buy two damn rifles for the price of the box!

Posted: 8/5/2005 8:11:57 AM EDT

[#6]

on a happy note, VPC doesnt have to worry about gun makers "violating" the AWB see http://www.vpc.org/studies/USofAW.htm

Violatinos B Gone!

Posted: 8/5/2005 8:19:00 AM EDT

[#7]

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http://www.vpc.org/graphics/sksfactsheetfinal.pdf#search='sks%20assault%20rifle'

Yeah, right, like I can get an SKS D for $180. Where?

And while they're at it, where are all my assault weapons available on every street corner? That would be damn convenient. I usually have to order mine, or at least drive 45 minutes or so to the gunstore.

Can't trust these guys for anything.

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:00:08 AM EDT

[#8]

Let me know when you find a distributor who'll sell a crate of them. Sounds like just the thing to use as a coffee table in New Jersey - a crate of SKS rifles covered with a nice glass top.

I'd do it. Cheaper than some meaningless piece of furniture that serves to please only an aesthetic sense of design. This would please me in so many ways.

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:28:46 AM EDT

[#9]

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on a happy note, VPC doesnt have to worry about gun makers "violating" the AWB see http://www.vpc.org/studies/USofAW.htm

Violatinos B Gone!

Some manufacturers could use their 'pages' their as Ads...

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:29:48 AM EDT

[#10]

The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:34:59 AM EDT

[#11]

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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:46:17 AM EDT

[#12]

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The guns WERE USED BY GOBLINS to kill...

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:47:00 AM EDT

[#13]

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The guns WERE USED BY GOBLINS to kill...

Ahem. Sorry 'bout that. I hereby amend my statement to include the phrase "present company excepted"

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:49:35 AM EDT

[#14]

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The guns WERE USED BY GOBLINS to kill...

Ahem. Sorry 'bout that. I hereby amend my statement to include the phrase "present company excepted"

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:50:47 AM EDT

[#15]

Goddamn it. If the VPC makes me buy a SKS I'm really gonna be mad.

Posted: 8/5/2005 9:56:41 AM EDT

[#16]

I love how they keep using ATF trace numbers to make their cases, even though the ATF has repeatedly said that they run traces on firearms for many reasons, not just because they were used in a crime.

But the VPC never let the truth stand in their way before, so why should they start now?

Posted: 8/5/2005 10:10:08 AM EDT

[#17]

Glad I only have 4 SKS's. Looks like I ought to get another dozen. A crate of a dozen would be awesome.

Posted: 8/5/2005 10:14:45 AM EDT

[#18]

I've got an SKS that uses AK mags, but it doesn't have that dorky looking thumbhole stock thank god.

Posted: 8/5/2005 11:50:05 AM EDT

[#19]

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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!

pish. An SKS ate my baby.

Posted: 8/5/2005 11:52:59 AM EDT

[#20]

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Goddamn it. If the VPC makes me buy a SKS I'm really gonna be mad.

Listen Mr. "I can get any H&K I want with my LE Demo".....

Posted: 8/5/2005 11:55:38 AM EDT

[#21]

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"Violatinos"

wtf?

is that a bunch pachucos in purple zoot suits?

Posted: 8/5/2005 11:58:25 AM EDT

[#22]

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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!
pish. An SKS ate my baby.

A dingo with an SKS stole my baby!

Posted: 8/5/2005 12:10:35 PM EDT

[#23]

Have they laid off of the FN Five seveN yet?

Posted: 8/5/2005 12:11:41 PM EDT

[#24]

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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!
pish. An SKS ate my baby.

A dingo with an SKS stole my baby!

An SKS shoved a frozen fish up my ass!!

Posted: 8/5/2005 12:15:55 PM EDT

[#25]

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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!
pish. An SKS ate my baby.

A dingo with an SKS stole my baby!

An SKS shoved a frozen fish up my ass!!

There goes another keyboard

Posted: 8/5/2005 12:19:28 PM EDT

[#26]

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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!
pish. An SKS ate my baby.

A dingo with an SKS stole my baby!

An SKS shoved a frozen fish up my ass!!

There goes another keyboard

Dammit all to hell. Glad I wasn't taking a sip.

Posted: 8/5/2005 12:51:15 PM EDT

[#27]

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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!

.

So you're an AK-47 then, right?

Posted: 8/5/2005 1:02:27 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!
pish. An SKS ate my baby.

A dingo with an SKS stole my baby!

An SKS shoved a frozen fish up my ass!!

Ben

Posted: 8/5/2005 1:10:10 PM EDT

[#29]

Here is some SKS porn for you guys. This is my 1968 all milled Norinco SKS. Bought it from a fellow ARFCOMMER. Scooter1942, not sure if he's still around or not.

FYI, this is the un-zeroable SKS....

Ben

Posted: 8/5/2005 1:16:12 PM EDT

[#30]

Is there anything in the VPC piece that is factually inaccurate?

The main points seem to be that the SKS is common and 7.62x39mm ammo penetrates conventional soft body armer. Both of which are true.

Posted: 8/5/2005 1:25:36 PM EDT

[#31]

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Is there anything in the VPC piece that is factually inaccurate?

The main points seem to be that the SKS is common and 7.62x39mm ammo penetrates conventional soft body armer. Both of which are true.

If you want to be obtuse about why they are selecting this rifle to demonize you go right ahead.

Posted: 8/5/2005 1:35:02 PM EDT

[#32]

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http://www.vpc.org/graphics/sksfactsheetfinal.pdf#search='sks%20assault%20rifle'

Yeah, right, like I can get an SKS D for $180. Where?

And while they're at it, where are all my assault weapons available on every street corner? That would be damn convenient. I usually have to order mine, or at least drive 45 minutes or so to the gunstore.

Can't trust these guys for anything.

i got my yugo SKS from Duhnams for 100bucks

Posted: 8/5/2005 1:38:23 PM EDT

[#33]

What a silly thread.

Posted: 8/5/2005 1:38:42 PM EDT

[#34]

An SKS once bit my sister.

Posted: 8/5/2005 1:44:09 PM EDT

[#35]

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Is there anything in the VPC piece that is factually inaccurate?...

You could start with the dozen or so times they refer to a semi-automatic SKS as an "assault rifle."

Posted: 8/5/2005 2:13:27 PM EDT

[#36]

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Is there anything in the VPC piece that is factually inaccurate?...

You could start with the dozen or so times they refer to a semi-automatic SKS as an "assault rifle."

Okay, and that's a valid critisism of the piece. Although you could argue that VPC is simply using the common usage definition rather than the technically definition of "assault rifle."

Does their misuse of the term "assult rifle" somehow discredit their claims that the SKS is one of the rifles used most often to kill police officers and that 7.62x39mm ammo penetrates conventional soft body armor?

Posted: 8/5/2005 2:32:57 PM EDT

[#37]

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Is there anything in the VPC piece that is factually inaccurate?...

You could start with the dozen or so times they refer to a semi-automatic SKS as an "assault rifle."

Okay, and that's a valid critisism of the piece. Although you could argue that VPC is simply using the common usage definition rather than the technically definition of "assault rifle."

Does their misuse of the term "assult rifle" somehow discredit their claims that the SKS is one of the rifles used most often to kill police officers and that 7.62x39mm ammo penetrates conventional soft body armor?

The ATF report also notes that “these high capacity rifles pose an enhanced threat to law
enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel projectiles at velocities that are
capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by the law
enforcement officers.” Despite the hazard this assault weapon poses to police and the
public at large,

There is nothing "high capacity" about the SKS unless you refer to specific mods.

It is not an "enhanced threat" over any other rifle or carbine that can exceed 2000fps.

for 1998 through 2001,2 across the
country, one out of five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty were killed
with assault weapons

I'm almost positive this has been proven false before. 1 out of 5 officers are killed by "long guns" there was no data I ever saw that classified them in any catagory as "assualt weapons" at least not from the FBI.

I can even present factual information in a completely biased and hyped up emotional way. If you can't understand the irritation that causes then it's deliberate or you agree I don't know which it is. I've seen you play this game before with the 5-7 hysteria that was going on. I'm not sure what your motive is for it.

Posted: 8/5/2005 2:34:28 PM EDT

[#38]

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Here is some SKS porn for you guys. This is my 1968 all milled Norinco SKS. Bought it from a fellow ARFCOMMER. Scooter1942, not sure if he's still around or not.

img205.imageshack.us/img205/544/boltsidesks0rh.th.jpg

img133.imageshack.us/img133/5660/sksleftfront2al.th.jpg

img133.imageshack.us/img133/9154/grainofskswood2mw.th.jpg

FYI, this is the un-zeroable SKS....

Ben

Wow, I didn't even know Norinco exissted almost 40 years ago, that must of cost what, $25 in 1968??? Again, wow!

Posted: 8/5/2005 4:35:44 PM EDT

[#39]

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Here is some SKS porn for you guys. This is my 1968 all milled Norinco SKS. Bought it from a fellow ARFCOMMER. Scooter1942, not sure if he's still around or not.

img205.imageshack.us/img205/544/boltsidesks0rh.th.jpg</a>

img133.imageshack.us/img133/5660/sksleftfront2al.th.jpg</a>

img133.imageshack.us/img133/9154/grainofskswood2mw.th.jpg</a>

FYI, this is the un-zeroable SKS....

Ben

Wow, I didn't even know Norinco exissted almost 40 years ago, that must of cost what, $25 in 1968??? Again, wow!

Probably waaay less. Their workers probably got half a penny an hour back then or even less. FYI this was probably imported in before the 89 Ban.

Ben

Posted: 8/5/2005 4:52:10 PM EDT

[#40]

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Sounds like just the thing to use as a coffee table in New Jersey - a crate of SKS rifles covered with a nice glass top.

Hey, that's not a half-bad idea!

Think they'd like feature it on Home & Garden TV?

Posted: 8/5/2005 4:53:58 PM EDT

[#41]

Im still wondering where I can buy a case of these hell they're going to $300-$350 here
when you can find them

Posted: 8/5/2005 5:00:31 PM EDT

[#42]

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An SKS once bit my sister.

Don't be a hater. The owner obviously trained it poorly. Not all SKSs are Bad.

Posted: 8/6/2005 3:25:48 AM EDT

[#43]

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i got my yugo SKS from Duhnams for 100bucks

No surprise, but the ad showed an SKS D (factory mod'd to accept AK mags). I paid a lot more than $180 for mine.

Posted: 8/6/2005 3:39:13 AM EDT

[#44]

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The SKS killed my father and raped my mother!

The SKS IS my father!
pish. An SKS ate my baby.

A dingo with an SKS stole my baby!

An SKS shoved a frozen fish up my ass!!

The SKS turned me into a newt....
I got better.

Posted: 8/6/2005 10:36:10 AM EDT

[#45]

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i got my yugo SKS from Duhnams for 100bucks

No surprise, but the ad showed an SKS D (factory mod'd to accept AK mags). I paid a lot more than $180 for mine.

That ad has got to be over 8 or 9 years old.....

Nevermind most SKS rifles don't accept detachable mags..

Ben

Posted: 8/6/2005 11:45:34 AM EDT

[#46]

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Is there anything in the VPC piece that is factually inaccurate?...

You could start with the dozen or so times they refer to a semi-automatic SKS as an "assault rifle."

Okay, and that's a valid critisism of the piece. Although you could argue that VPC is simply using the common usage definition rather than the technically definition of "assault rifle."

Does their misuse of the term "assult rifle" somehow discredit their claims that the SKS is one of the rifles used most often to kill police officers and that 7.62x39mm ammo penetrates conventional soft body armor?

The ATF report also notes that “these high capacity rifles pose an enhanced threat to law
enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel projectiles at velocities that are
capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by the law
enforcement officers.” Despite the hazard this assault weapon poses to police and the
public at large,

There is nothing "high capacity" about the SKS unless you refer to specific mods.

It is not an "enhanced threat" over any other rifle or carbine that can exceed 2000fps.

for 1998 through 2001,2 across the
country, one out of five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty were killed
with assault weapons

I'm almost positive this has been proven false before. 1 out of 5 officers are killed by "long guns" there was no data I ever saw that classified them in any catagory as "assualt weapons" at least not from the FBI.

I can even present factual information in a completely biased and hyped up emotional way. If you can't understand the irritation that causes then it's deliberate or you agree I don't know which it is. I've seen you play this game before with the 5-7 hysteria that was going on. I'm not sure what your motive is for it.

That is why VPC et al call them "assault weapons" instead of assault rifles. There is no definition of assault weapon. Sometimes these groups and their supporters call high capacity pistols such as Glocks assault weapons.

Posted: 8/6/2005 11:52:39 AM EDT

[#47]

maybe McUzi was onto something with his falfiles SKS rant.

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