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Posted: 8/1/2005 9:55:33 AM EDT
 
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Posted: 8/1/2005 9:57:22 AM EDT
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oops
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Posted: 8/1/2005 9:59:36 AM EDT
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Someone's going to hang for that.
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:02:17 AM EDT
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Hmmm...doesn't sound very "Indomitatble" to me.
Sheep |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:02:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:04:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:04:13 AM EDT
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The Kursk was destroyed by its own torpedo. Now the Neukrotimy?
Russian Navy is self-owned. |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:09:44 AM EDT
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That'll buff right out. |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:09:50 AM EDT
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Not to worry...as is quoted here on a regular basis.... " THAT"LL BUFF OUT"
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:12:17 AM EDT
[#9]
see...told ya
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:14:11 AM EDT
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The Russian navy should just quit.
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:16:38 AM EDT
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Wow, first the Russian Navy cant launch their own SLBM's for Putin and now this.
I'm so scared of Russian tech. |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:18:36 AM EDT
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It looks all the way sunk to me, is it sitting on the river bottom?
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:18:58 AM EDT
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Hold my Vodka and watch this........
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:20:40 AM EDT
[#14]
Since when does a fleet have a FFG
as a "flagship?" |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:24:03 AM EDT
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Do they have wheels on the bottom ?
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:24:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:32:52 AM EDT
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Ben |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:35:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:35:56 AM EDT
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Budget cutbacks are a bitch. |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 6:08:39 PM EDT
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Looks like they cracked the hull but their internal compartmentalization held.
Not listing noticeably and not too deep in the water. Looks like they got several of their more competent people in the right place at the right time' We've been known to do similar things. Not the least of which was the "bombing" of a fleet tug towing a target off San Diego. |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 6:11:19 PM EDT
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DOH!
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:39:06 PM EDT
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Finally found a reference from hwww.mooj.com/rxdept_page4.htm
Does anybody out there know about the time the Big E bombed one of our own ships? During reftra off San Diego in early '78, one of our A7 squadrons dropped live ordnance on the USS CREE. The CREE had been towing a target (an old yard oiler) for bombing practice. The target had been hit and sunk by another squadron (I think from the Ranger), but the word never got to our A7's. When the aircraft showed up over the target area they mistook the CREE for the target and dropped three 500 lb bombs. One missed to starboard and failed to detonate. The second bomb missed to port, detonated and damaged the CREE's keel. The third 500 pounder was dropped just as the warning went out to the aircraft to "break off". It hit the CREE near the foc'sle, penetrated two decks, came to rest in a passageway, AND FAILED TO DETONATE!! I guess somebody on that tug had connections with the almighty. Somewhere I have a picture of the Cree after this, the fail to detonate to stbd literally went through the pole mainmast. The mast was only about 6" bigger in diameter than the bomb, and why it didn't break off was a minor miracle, considering the radar and other antennas above the hole.Sat where you could see it from Harbor Drive in San Diego for a few months. Probably was a way for SurfPac to counter AirPacs efforts at minimizing the story. |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:40:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:54:19 PM EDT
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And THESE are the people that not only build the "advanced" weapons for the feared (at least on AR15.com) Chinese military but also TRAIN THEM IN THEIR USE!
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Posted: 8/1/2005 10:57:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:05:51 PM EDT
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Kommersant, however, gave details of the incident which forced the flagship to be removed from the parade. The daily said that the sailors planned to make a show of destroying a dummy sea mine during Sunday’s parade. The dummy, which still had about 30 kilograms of TNT in it, was supposed to create a huge splash that would spray the spectators on the embankment. However, the current brought the bomb up to the ship’s hull together with the anchor and it exploded causing the Neukrotimy to partially submerge. Only 30 kilo's of TNT, what could possibly go wrong........ 
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:21:25 PM EDT
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Only 30 KG of TNT? Sounds like Saturday night at the Hun Farm.
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:33:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:39:02 PM EDT
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The dummy, which still had about 30 kilograms of TNT in it, was supposed to create a huge splash that would spray the spectators on the embankment.
Someone needs to check the translation............... 30kg of TNT does not = "dummy" in most languages, i'm sure. If 30kg of TNT is in a "dummy" what were the live ones loaded with? |
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Posted: 8/1/2005 11:45:38 PM EDT
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It depends on the mine, some sea mines have hundreds of pounds of HE other mines like limpets may have about 20 lbs. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:35:10 AM EDT
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what? no comments from our german speaking russian member?
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:43:10 AM EDT
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USS Cree getting towed in after being bombed. Ouch.
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:46:45 AM EDT
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EXACTLY I have been saying for years that Russian tech is overrated. I am proven correct in every conflict worldwide for the past few decades but the Russian worshippers still rave about their uber-l33t equipment...up until it is massacred...then they make excuses. T-72...feared like a mother fucker..gulf war...owned like a mother fucker...Russian apologists whine about "it was export tech", "bad crew training", "it was old" Same shit happened with the MiG29, MiG25, russian helos aswell. But we still have the Russian tech apologists raving about their Su-xx (pretty much all the Su planes are upgrades to the Su-27 which has never proven itself...we upgrade our F-15As and call it an F-15C they upgrade an Su-27 and call it an Su-35 and add "super" in front of its previous name (Hornet style) T-90s (which are T-72s with shitty reactive armor and a little bit of new electronics) Their new attack helo that looks like a piece of shit and uses side by side seating which has been proven inferior to tandem seating... Their anti tank weapons that fucking suck and are a generation behind ours...but because they have names like "Kornet" people think the must be Uber-L33t!1 Their ships...because someone likes saying Kirov or Sovremenny (sp) they whine that the sky is falling when china gets a few...except that our equavalent ship is twice as good and we have 10x as many just in that theatre. Fucking Russian gear worshippers.... And I happen to like the AK-47 |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:49:34 AM EDT
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*cough* T34 *cough*
but for the most part you're right. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:53:56 AM EDT
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That was 64 years ago... |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 1:54:54 AM EDT
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Shhh, let him go. The T-72's the Iraqi's had were more uprated T-55's.............. Not to mention the flat terrain over there is the absolute best terrain to use the US the long range weapons...................... According to him we should just be able to walk into N. Korea, practically unopposed................. They are using the same gear. 
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:01:23 AM EDT
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How do you know he isn't right? The only things keeping us out are the belef that the NKPA will be as suicidal as the WWII Japanese and the very real problem of the terrain along their DMZ. Weapons technology is NOT the problem, their AFVs ARE junk. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:19:47 AM EDT
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The T34 was good back in its day. But, remember how well it performed during the Korean War (alright at the beginning...then completely OWNED once the US got decent tanks there..it did well against crappy American bazookas though) btw, even though the T34 did well against the Germans...1 for 1 it blew. While I dont want to get into a WW2 discussion everyone knows the Russians just overwhelmed them with typical communist swarm tactics. Yes the flat terrain was good for the Americans. So what? The T72 would not have faired much better at closer ranges, it was decively owned at long range...it would have been equally screwed at closer ranges. It is underarmored, very unsurvivable, has a shitty main gun, and crappy electronics. In fairness to the Russians the T72 was probably better than the M60 but crew vs crew, the American M60 would still own a Russian or Russian trained crews I never mentioned anything about NK. We could dominate them easily if nukes weren't a concern though. The problem there would be the mass of NK artillery. Even shitty artillery guns still throw explosives well. There are so many that it would be hard to destroy them all before they could perpetrate mass area damage (million of SK civilian casaulties). We could attack preemptively and probably get most of it though but that would be politically incorrect. It would take massive recon satellites + U2 type recon (but that is done on a regular basis anyways) LOTS of MLRS, fighter sorties (NK air defense is a joke), lots of bomber sorties and precision counter battery fire by US forces. Do you think the NKs tanks will threaten ours? Are they still using T34s? They have what? RPGs for anti-tank. Their airforce is a bunch of MiG 21 era aircraft. You're right, I do think we could walk into NK. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:24:37 AM EDT
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I simply refuse to believe that the NKs are like suicidal Japanese/ VietCong. They will surrender quickly just as Saddam's army did but I don't believe there would be much of an insurgency over there. The people aren't informed at all but they have to know that starving in the 21st century is quite a pathetic achievement for their political ideology. The DMZ terrain is brutal but our engineers are very good. We could clear a few paths through (after enemy arty is effectively neutralized) as we did at the Kuwait border in GW1 and GW2 then charge for the capital with a big ass line of Abrams tanks mowing down the communists with the MGs....it would really be that pathetically easy. The problem is that unless it was first strike, the NKs could kill MILLIONS of SK civilians and possibly thousands of US troops. Though US bases are slowly being sent south of the DMZ (out of arty range) over the next few years...I doubt they have a delivery system for their rumored nukes but in 5 years they'll probably have them small enough to slap on rockets and lob south of the DMZ so all bets are off after that. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:25:20 AM EDT
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If only 30 Kg of TNT was enough to sink it, just imagine what a Harpoon or Mk 48 torpedo would do to it.
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:26:18 AM EDT
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probably blow it to pieces and sink the remaining half of the russian fleet with the concussion 
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:57:32 AM EDT
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If I had to classify it, a T-72 is a conteperary of an M-60, Leopard I, or Chieftan. Not the current "Western" tanks. The Iraqi T-72's are further handicapped, by not having the up to the minute gear, the Russians would have. Do you think the Egyptian M1 Abrams are as good as US M1's? Next, I wouldn't bet that most of the armies in that section of the world do 1 bit of PMCS. If the Russian were going at us, I bet their troops would be taking much better care of their gear. The T-72, at best, is a less armored, less armed tank than it's Western counterparts. Also I doubt the Iraqi's had any of the missiles they Russian T-72's would have, the ones that launch from the main guns. The terrain favored long range weapons. Our could hit, a Challenger II hit an Iraqi tank and killed it at a 2.5 mile range. Our tanks excel at that. In Korea, where the land is full of forest and jungles in steep terrain, there will be practically no long range shooting. It will be 500 yards. Those T-72's, esp with gun stbilization, CAN operate in that type of engagement much more succesfully than a 3 mile gun fight. They also have dug in ADA, etc. Much tougher to find, let alone hit when it is dug into the side of a mountain. Even our wonder weapons need to ID targets before they can take them out. Gets tough when you have to search for "targets" that are part of a dug in integrated ADA system, on the sides of mountains, covered with all types of ground cover. There AFV's may be much less capable than ours, but a lot of that adavantage goes away in close range combat. Iraq, is almost custom built, for techno-weapons ability displays. The terrain is often flat, and open, the exact ideal place to employ our long range "smart" weapons. That doesn't mean it would be as effective everywhere. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 2:58:30 AM EDT
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What a bunch of hotdogs. Russian military demonstrations are hilarious. My favorites are the Army shows where they tie bandanas on their heads, Rambo-style, and throw their entrenching tools at each other. My second favorite is the MiG-29's crashing into each other. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:15:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:32:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/2/2005 5:01:29 AM EDT
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Hmmm, keep russian navy in shallow rivers...easier salvage...good idea!
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Posted: 8/2/2005 5:36:23 AM EDT
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This shit is hilarious!
I visited their naval base in Vladivostok back in 91 on a port visit. I, along with the rest of the wardroom were invited to lunck on one of their Sovvermenys moored nearby. We also had a chance to walk around the ship a bit. The things that stuck out at me like a sore thumb (comparing to our ships) were: shoddy worksmanship, the use of wood paneling in lots of places, the almost total lack of visible portable damage control gear. I can almost guarantee you that Russian ships stand a much better chance of not surviving a hit that our crews could easily handle. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 6:09:48 AM EDT
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Do you have the link to that article? Here is the one from Itar-Tass *EDITED* Belay that...I found it. |
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Posted: 8/2/2005 6:54:37 AM EDT
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Whew! As long as you don't bash the AK-47, I don't mind you criticizing the rest of the Russian gear. |
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