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quite the definitive thread. Shame it will be page 8 in 3 hours. I am not a big fan of the combat shotgun, but I know many are. |
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My Dad, during his second tour in Vietnam, was issued a CAR-15. It jammed up so much that he traded it in for a pump-action shotgun, which he carried the rest of his tour there.
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I have a Remington "Sportsman" whippet gun (actually, I bought it for my son). Pretty nifty.
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You gotta post pictures man ! LB PS Someone here has a shotgun they call the "Lil Black Bitch" that was very sweet looking... |
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Just to help keep this at the top of the front page.
I love the looks of many combat shotguns, even though I know rifles are more effective general purpose weapons. Thanks for the pictorial. |
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Entire post saved to hard disk, will print out at home.
My dad had a real 1897 trench gun, and it shocked me as a little kid when he said he sold it. That was going to be mine some day! |
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In my opine,,, the benelli system smokes all others. Super simple,super fast. My favorite shotgun. I swear I never miss , well if I do I just keep yanking on the trigger until I don't.
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Oh yeah, That duckbill choke is the stuff. Check out Navy seal info on this one. Spreads the pattern on a horizional plane, where people are. #4 shot is supposed to be just right for this choke...
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What a great labor of love post! ....Have you posted it down in the Shotgun Forum in the Armory section, where it would probably hang around longer and Ikor might even tack it? I'm sure the shotgun guys there, will provide you with quite a bit more, in the way if imagery.
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Machinegunmaniac
Yeah and you'd like it even better, when you tripped the safety lever, with a round in the chamber and it blew a hole in your wall, or you had to look for parts, for the damned thing. |
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The locals here fear the shotgun.... for keeping crowds away from a convoy or moving them from an area one man with a shotgun can beat move crowds better than 10 with M-16's,
I have no clue why, I have been told the Talibans worst "enforcers" used shotguns and caused fear for them but I have no clue if that is accurate. |
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Saiga shotgun rocks, I need to get one and make it really evil.
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where did you get the folder? |
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Yeah, I left it out as well as the Streetsweeper... both designs are inferior once you empty the firearm of rounds... IMHO In a long running battle the Neostead is far better and I practically left it out except to mention that it looked like a proptotype shotgun from the 80's ( Winter Combat Shotgun ). LB |
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Its not a folder.... I drooled over this picture for months wishing I could have a stock like the one on the Spetsnaz Saiga12... I finally figured out that it was made of of these: 1) Paratrooper side folding stock 2) Grenade Launcher Buttpad and the hardest part to figure out for me... 3) SVD cheekrest In the end I decided to save me mucho money by using a "fixed" stock. RPB has a molded polymer stock that is very nice ( $30 vs $200 for real folder ) Once all the stuff is added to the stock it cannot close al the way so it is a complete waste of a folding stock IMHO. Contact RPB USA at 1-800-858-0809 I know their website is down... dunno if they are still open for business. |
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Never seen one in person, The Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons 2nd Edition has a long article on the Holmes 89 Assault Shotgun. I think that it was published in 89. The article lists an address for the inventor, Bill Holmes, as : Holmes Arms Route 6, Box 242 Fayetteville AR 72703 If you want, I can try to scan in the article next week and send it to you or I can make copies and snail mail it to you. HTH Breacher |
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I need one of those |
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I love mine, it has like no recoil, or is that because I am so big? Took iot to the range, my department uses the Mossberg 590, those that shot it liked it. I would like some 8 rd mags, I have 5 - 5 round ones. I also have a 590 and a Norinco 97, the 2nd generation, it is a decent shotgun also. |
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Wow... I wish I had one of those! |
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The scans would be great ! I would really appreciate it. LB |
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This post may be considered a "Reality Check" for some of the "Gizmo" wizards among us. My friends background: 20 years USMC, mostly with recon/force recon. Final assignment as intel. analyst briefing the big-wigs during Desert Storm. He was also on the ground there. The gunny bought a shotgun off the rack in a base exchange and cut down the stock to a pistol-grip configuration/install sling swivels and a sling. No matter what else he carried, "Baby" was a constant companion. From the Aleution Sic) islands to the deserts of the middle east, and points in between we'll never know. To my knowledge, the only parts that he replaced were a trigger guard and firing pin. She still does home defense duty. Ray
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I'm techno-challenged. What does that smiley face represent ? Ray
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prolly just bumping this thread like I asked all to do... thats all LB |
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I'd like to give that Neostead a try. The last I heard they said they had imported a few hundred. Has anyone seen one in person?
Cheers |
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USMC_LB, are you going to make this scholarly work into a book?
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Other current shotguns should include
Mossberg M500 & M590A1 Remington M870(Various models) Winchester 1200 & 1300 My cousin has seen 2 Winchester 1897s in his units armory. |
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I purposely left out the most-known shotguns of the current US inventory....
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Someone needs to make some new 17" bayonets that will fit the current crop of military shotguns (and rifles as well)
Mossberg with a 17" bayonet would be useful against the PETA and Green Peace protestors I wonder if you could make a taster bayonet. Might be interesting. |
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i have a hs model 10a. my landlord traded it to me for an hs2000 pistol i had that he liked.
it's actually a hell of a shotgun even with the hard reload and low capacity. mine has been 100% reliable with everthing from birdshot to high brass slugs. due to the stock being right on the reciever i will say that high recoil loads are just damned brutal. i was told HS stopped production due to some PD lawsuits or dislocated and injured elbows from guys firing it tucked into the elbow instead of the shoulder. i couldn't imagine shooting slugs out of that thing and NOT have it tucked in tight to the shoulder. interesting fact.... the flashlight on the 10a is preset to match the pattern of 00 buck. wherever you see light is where you shot should hit. there was also a duckbill spreader choke made for it, but i have not been able to locate one. |
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I have those things as well. I have never seen the spreader for the Model 10... yet. LB |
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when i got it i called HS to get a manual. as you know today's HS is not the same company that built these. Not only did the send me a photocopied manual they also sent me a photo copy of the armorers manual for it. there is a PN for the spreader but HS doesn't have any and doesn't have a clue where to get one. I did find tha numerich had a shit load of parts for them. i had to replace my flashlight assembly and did all the springs. mike |
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this shotgun histroy thread is awsome!
does the SPAS have both a pump and semi-auto option? |
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But only with a 24" Bbl Mark |
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During WWI, it was such a feared weapon by the Germans that any allied person captured, who had a shotgun, was summarily executed. They (Germans) wanted the shotgun banned under the Geneva Accords or whatever it was, on the grounds that it was inhumane, etc. Consequently, during WWII, not many allied men wanted to carry a shotgun, having "if the krauts catch you with that, you'll get executed" drilled into their brain. Ever since WWI, the shotgun, especially the pump, has been feared the world over...even your inner-city disadvantaged youth will soil his pants if he hears that click-clack, and he doesn't even have a historical perspective of what one can do. It wouldn't surprise me that they're feared over there Thank you for your service, and keep safe. |
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