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Posted: 7/21/2005 12:42:32 PM EDT
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Jesus Christ. Why not just start quartering police in your homes, for the right "balance" of safty against the almost inalienable rights we have.
That is depressing. |
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I like Carlos Mencia's take on this topic.
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Using public transportation is a privilege, not a right, sir. Just like putting up with the TSA bullshit at airports, you have the right to turn around & drive to where ever you're going. Ditto in NYC for subways. |
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But when you're forced at gun point to pay for it through taxes, how could it not be a right?z |
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As long as you have the right to refuse consent to a search and leave without being detained, I think it's reasonable.
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Yes, of course… And this wailing and moaning is more hysteria without any thought attached to it. |
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The trick will be to see what happens when the first person says "NO" and walks away.
If that's the end of it then fine. I don't like the idea but at least you have the choice. Now, if that person is subject to ANY bullshit after saying "NO" and turning to depart, then we've got a whole 'nother kettle of fish to deal with. |
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As is stepping foot out of your home I guess. Your right, I'm sure being stopped at the ferry and having your belongings searched by police was exactly what they had in mind when "secure in in their persons" was written down. Airlines are not "public transportation" so the the TSA is not relevent. I see it differently when my tax money is taken to build things like say roads and sidewalks (are they privilages too?) and I'm then told to submit submit to whatever they decide to ask in order to to set foot on them. |
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Will you feel this way when your car is searched when leaving your neighborhood? After all, you DO have the right to cower inside your home forever, never leaving, in order to not be searched....... When all these public places, and modes of transportation become this way, you DO have an abridgement of freedoms. Saying that people are free to leave, take another mode of transportation, etc. is just another bullshit rationalization. |
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except that the taxpayers paid for PUBLIC transportation..... |
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You don't think airports aren't built with local tax money? |
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Perhaps my notion is quaint but my take on the Constitution is that I was free, in the absence of reasonable and specific suspicion of wrong-doing to go about my business unmolested by agents of the state. Not that I was free to remain indoors and never set foot in public because being out and about without random checkpoints is a privilege. The fact that I can use another mode of transport would be acceptable to me if that were a privately funded system. They are not the state and they have the right to contract with me for how I'll ride the transport and on what condition I'll be admitted.
When the system is public, and the state decides to use it's police to rifle through my possessions for no specified reason at all, I guess I see that as conflicting with the above. If we take the other view then we have no rights outside our driveway, because the state can setup and force us to waive them all to set foot of our property. I can’t imagine that was the intent of our Constitution. |
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They look for Muslim terrorists by examining the handbags of little old white ladies on subways. They secure our border by allowing water stations along "known" illegal alien smuggling routes and denigrate citizens who lawfully try to help Border Patrol agents find illegals. They require all people show valid ID to board a plane - but to require that all people show valid ID to vote is racism. They refuse to offend Muslims after 9-11 by allowing public schools to have children "pretend" to be Muslim for a day, including reciting Muslim prayers - yet they tear down a sign saying "God Bless America" at public schools after 9-11 for being "establishment of religion". Putting up an American flag on a college campus was banned as being "insensitive" after 9-11, yet burning an American flag on college campuses is considered "free speech". We're going down. We're going down HARD. |
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Wave, in case they are short in TD and you are doing bag checks at 66/Lincoln Center, please don't ask to search mine. |
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The carrier itself is private, but I see your point. I guess I see it as another boling frog. If they can do it to gain access to the subway, why not at the entrance to the highway? Why would this be fine and that be wrong? |
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NYC has already abolished our 2nd Amendment rights to keep and bear arms, so why is anyone surprised?
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On that note, I picked up another case of XM193 tonight, and will get another tomorrow. Not that it will make any difference to my immediate freedoms, but I guess all I can do is prepare for the inevitable. It pains me to admit it, but the terrorists are winning. Americans are being forced to change the way they live, alter their actions, and accept that the liberties we once took for granted are slowly but surely being depleted in the name of ..... safety? Peace of mind? Random searches are a continued waste of tax dollars.....we know who the fucking enemy is....when are we as a nation finally going to do something with that knowledge? |
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Mencia is my favorite Mexican Comidian. |
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Wave can frisk me anytime.. |
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This is way too cool. This is just like the old Soviet Union, my friend that I used to work with named Vladimir, was in the Soviet Union before its collapse, the KGB just just stopped him and asked to see his papers. The KGB agent said that his papers weren't in order, and he was jailed for 3 days. I bet that the if you refused, the NYPD LE would throw you into the slammer.
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Wednesday I tried to enter the tunnel wearing a bomb but they asked me to consent to a search, so I turned around and left. I'll try again on Friday.
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Which begs the question... Have they EVER found a bomb being smuggled onto a plane in someone's bag? Have the ever even found a GUN being smuggled onto a plane by anyone who (after further investigation) turned out to be linked to a terrorist group? Has this ever-growing expansion of intrusion on our basic rights really been shown to be an effective deterrance to terrorism? Or have they simply been pushing the terrorists to new avenues of targets? They searched all bags getting onto planes - so now the terrorists are bombing subways. Now we search bags getting onto subways and so the terrorists may bomb public buses next. When they start searching people getting onto buses, the terrorists may bomb cabs in front of key downtown buildings. When they start search cars heading downtown, the terrorists may walk among the crowds and bomb them on the streets. When they start searching people just walking in public, the terrorists may stay home and bomb apartment buildings and neighborhoods they live in. When they start searching homes... it'll be too late. There'll be nothing worth defending in America anymore. |
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Maybe you're right, considering that it's the police doing the searching, not an employee of the transit system. |
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Raymond Kelly.. you stupid cocksucker. Stop ALL muslim immigration now!! |
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This is a very succinct statement that should be used to beat our elected officials about the head with. |
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The "war on terror" will be the final nail in the coffin of freedom. 1984, your table is ready. The "war on terror" is a fucking joke. |
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Good post... Imagine that the Allies are defending themselves with a shield the size of a paper plate. The terrorists throw a rock at our chest. We cover our chest with the shield. Next the terrorist aim for our leg. We cover the leg. ETA: The terrorist wait a while for our shield to come down then they throw a rock back at our chest. Then terrorist then aim for our head while we are busy covering everything they just hit... We're done after that... |
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so know we have to (like in an airport) give up our right enumerated by the Constitution.
This is BLATANTLY unconstitutional, No I dont have to use said transportation but I shouldnt have to be searched UNCONSTITUTIONALY. Those that would give up Liberty for a percieved sense of safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety |
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after this news I am never going to NY. I always knew it to be a filty place of crime anyways but this just takes the cake.
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Ironically, it's safer than any other big city in America and is pretty clean and nice these days. That doesn't mean it's not a police state though. |
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+1 |
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Ignorance is bliss |
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You sure about that? The top 6 largest cities in the US are New York City, Los Angeles, Houston, Chicago, Phoenix and Philadelphia. You think NYC is safer than all of those? I's bet that Houston and Phoenix are safer than NYC. |
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Translation: This is merely a feel good measure. We would hate to actually be effective and search the target demographic. We will therefore search the bags of teenaged schoolgirls and old Jewish women. Come on if we are gonna do it needs to be done right, feelings and PC bullshit aside! If I want a tart apple I grab a green one for fuck's sake. It is called common sense. |
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No significant difference than Airports and courthouses doing it. As long as there is proper signage
"Those who enter this facility subject to random search. Those who refuse will be denied access." |
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The murder rate for NYC is significantly lower than for those cities... 15-40% lower. |
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Morgan Quinto Ratings Top 10 Safest Cities (cites over 500,000 people): 1 San Jose, CA 2 El Paso, TX 3 Honolulu, HI 4 Austin, TX 5 New York, NY 6 Louisville, KY 7 San Diego, CA 8 San Antonio, TX 9 San Francisco, CA 10 Fort Worth, TX Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities (over 500,000 people): 1 Detroit, MI 2 Washington, DC 3 Baltimore, MD 4 Memphis, TN 5 Dallas, TX 6 Philadelphia, PA 7 Columbus, OH 8 Nashville, TN 9 Houston, TX 10 Phoenix, AZ www.morganquitno.com/cit05pop.htm#500,000+ |
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AMEN. |
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That may happen, but I sure hope we take those camel humpers with us. |
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... That's just plain old bullshit there bro. ... I worked off and on in NYC on a number of occasions. I have quite legitimate reasons to not allow just any Amerikanisch Heimatsicherheit jackboot to search my bags. My company trusts I keep many of my documents for certain eyes only (sensitive and confidential and ...) ... It's bullshit plain and simple. If you believe otherwise, the terrorists have already won. |
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Besides, what the hell is there to keep terrorists from getting jobs as janitors or other transit employees ? Who ever said they all had to be Muslim, or even Arab, or even foreign. About all this is going to achieve is just pissing off a lot of commuters just like TSA has done. Basically, my point is that terrorists could potentially recruit anybody, if I were running their show, I would be trying to recruit American anti-war and communist types to do my dirty work. Maybe throw in a few anarchists, just have them get jobs working on the subways. That would make it quite easy for them. Not to mention that it is child's play to conceal explosives, most police officers aren't going to know explosives if they see them anyways. So if you made a device that did not look like a device, you could get it in, esp if you work there because even if the police do search you, whatever you do have will look completely innocent. If it's the same cops everyday, everybody will get to know each other and chances are the cops will get a bit too relaxed to be any good anyway. I don't think there's really anything we can do about this aside from simply having an armed police presence around the subways and the like, searches aren't going to achieve much.
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Well said. I couldnt leave Guantanomo Bay until I had "Sensitivity to Arabs/Muslims Training" courtesy of the US Army Muslim Chaplain......... |
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rrriiiiiigggghhhhtttttt some arab looking guy turns around and leaves the cops at the turnstyle might not go after him but they'll radio to the cop outside who will stop him |
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Don't thank the terrorists for this. Thank the "War on Drugs" for making it all possible.
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Yep....they'll pull the same shit they do at drunk-driving checkpoints -- anyone who turns off the road before the the checkpoint is stopped and gets the "your papers pleese" treatment, along with the third degree over why they were avoiding the checkpoint. |
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LOL...NYPD portables do not transmit in the subway....Only those assigned to transit bureau have radios that can transmit, and they don't always work either.... |
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bomber will just rig the bomb to blow when the bag is opened. those turnstyle areas are probably crowded enough to get numerous casulties |
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