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Posted: 5/23/2005 8:58:25 PM EDT
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I thought there were 9 contested judges in this Senate showdown??? In short, did we make out OK??? |
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Ten were being held back. This deal will allow all but the two most conservative to get an up or down vote.
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I answered my own question!
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1409163/posts
It looks to me like we got 7 of 9 judges. Not perfect by a long shot, but not all that bad either. |
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3 out of 7.
We punked out....as usual. ETA: I guess the report I read was wrong; it is 7. It still sucks. |
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I hadn't heard this. We don't need no stinking deal which loses the best ones.
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We voted in a Republican President (well, he *ran* as a Republican but I'm having my doubts watching him give away the store on Mexico ) by a SOLID margin and have a Republican legislative branch as well and they STILL fuck around and act like they have to "build consensus" about EVERY FUCKING THING THAT THEY DO! What the FUCK do we have to do, let this country become a fucking dictatorship before the PARTY ELECTED TO POWER can actually DO SOMETHING. Vote Republican: End up where the Democrats are taking us, we'll just get you there a bit slower. I'm almost ready to start the Revolution by voting for every crackpot, freedom stealing, radical fucktard, moonbat Democrat that I can find. It's becoming PAINFULLY obvious that the Republicans don't have the balls to push back and that we're going to end up in shambles. Fine. Let's just fucking get it over with. Give the Democrats the keys, let them get drunk with power and drive us into the river. The frog isn't going to jump out of the pot with the Republicans in charge (yeah, right... "in charge" ) but maybe if the Democrats turn it up to "11" enough sheeple will get burned. |
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Airwolf, I hear where you are coming from, and generally agree with your frustration, but take a deep breath & look at what just transpired... -Frist feels very strongly that 7 of the 9 "controversial" judges will get an up or down vote in the Senate. In other words, they will be CONFIRMED, without the bad press & likely political fallout that would have resulted if this fight had gone "nuclear". - Bush now has carte blanche to nominate future judges who are just as conservative as these seven judges (which is pretty damn conservative). The Democrats don't have a leg to stand on if they try to pull their BS again... the seven Democrat Senators who signed off on this deal have essentially set & agreed to an acceptable level of conservatism in judicial nominees on behalf of their political party. What exactly will their argument be when Bush nominates future "Priscilla Owens'", William Pryors', and "Janice Rogers Browns'"??? The answer is they won't have any valid or logical reasoning behind why they can oppose future judges with similar backgrounds & rulings. They sold their entire argument against Bush's nominees (present & future) for just two judges! Like I said... Not perfect by a long shot, but not all that bad either. Now come down off that ledge buddy! |
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Nice to have some calmer heads around when you need them! |
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Sorry, the Republican Senate leadership just rolled over on us, just like they did when Clintoon came up for impeachment.
Same old spineless GOP, I'm afraid. And don't call what was being threatened the "nuclear" option. It was the Constitutional option. Don't let the media define the debate by using their words. To say that I'm disgusted is understatement of the century. No Republican gets my vote in the future unless he has a demonstratable record of sticking to the so-called principles Republicans stand for. It would appear that my voting for a Republican in a national level election in the forseeable future is a very remote possibility. |
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fucking ball less republicans
they need to tell the dims that they lost make the dims do a real filabuster, the kind where they have to talk non-stop or lose the floor let the people see who the real obstructionists are if the nominees are really that bad the dims should have no trouble finding 51 no votes |
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Remember, the Democrats set a bar to measure against. Those three that we got past we can now send to the Supreme Court if we damn well feel like it and they can't do a damn thing.
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Two questions I need answered???
Are any of these judges ultra 2nd freindly??? Will any be in a position to effect our 2nd rights positively???? |
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The Republican Senate leadership had no say so in the matter... thanks to McCain and other RINOs Frist did not have the votes... it is that simple. McCain saw to it Frist was cut off at the knees. Frist was left with a choice nothing or something... blame the right people here and remember. |
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The problem is that the MSM would have gone into high gear to spin this story so that the Republicans are seen as the bad guys trying to undermine democracy & the Democrats are the good guys trying to preserve it. Rightly or wrongly (and the Republicans were most assuredly RIGHT on this issue), the PR fallout for the GOP would have been FAR worse than for the Rats. That fact sucks, but perception is largely reality when you have the news media in your back pocket. I'm certainly no Republican apologist, but in this case I think they played their hand wisely. |
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I just wanted to see John McCain on the outs. This is a RINO I would love to see outed or replaced. |
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The Republicans control everything and have enough officials that they could pound the media for weeks on how they are trying to get work done but the Democrats are refusing to work. The problem is we no longer have a strong leader and no one wants to put the effort in to fight. If the Republicans would stand up, take control, and lead they would get a lot more respect. What they compromised to do was keep the status quo. How pathetic is it that the Republicans who have complete control argued for two months and then settled on keeping things the same? That just shows how ineffective and weak their leadership is. After Sept 11th Bush came out, told the world how it was going to be, and then stood up to lead the country there. His actions were highly questionable but with the confidence he had and the manner in which led no one was able to put up a good defence against him. During this time his approval ratings soared to the highest ratings ever! People want a strong confident leader who gets things done, not a whiney weak compromising leader who can't do anything more than the status quo. |
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Bingo. It is hard to blame the Republican majority for this one. Seven "republican" senators made the decision for the majority. It makes Frist look bad since he was not able to reign in the seven, but what are you going to do with a bunch of spineless RINOs. |
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Nominees who clear the judiciary committee should receive a vote on the Senate Floor. The voice of majority should not be silenced indefinately by the minority. Most of the outrage exists because leaving the filibuster for judicial nominees in place ensures that they will filibuster GWB's first SCOTUS nomination |
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i keep saying the last set of balls died with lee atwater. when the reps took power the very first thing they did was start going at each other like dogs over a piece of meat. they have violated every goddam rule laid down by atwater and ronald reagan about presenting a united face and doing your dirty laundry behind closed doors...
and of course, the reps have the problem of the rinos, those limp-wristed cunts who just wanna be "gentlemanly" and "civil" and play their part of de massa lording it over all us unwashed field niggers who should be grateful that we get to bask in the glory of their enlightened selves. these professional politicians, our political royalty, are the true believers in the philosophy of "appeasement" and "compromise"... i'm not too pessimistic about '08 (course, i wasn't too optimistic about '04 either...maybe my losing streak will keep up!). |
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It just pisses me off that Senators like McCain, Warner and Dewine just gave a hearty FUCK YOU to the President and to the Republican majority. They knew that it was their votes that were needed to institute the Constitutional Option and they basically said, "Screw you. We'll do it our way."
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I heard this last night.
I am positively furious. That's all I can say right now. I have my health to think about. |
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Senate Republicans are spineless wimps (with the exception of George Allen)
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One thing is for God-damned certain. I will write a check for any Republican who runs against these seven fuckers who stabbed their party in the back.
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A certain contingent of them certainly seem to be spineless. It amazes me that those who have an ideology that they are loyal to are firm in their resolve to get what they believe is right, dem or republican. But the queasy "moderates" are always in a tizzy about some damn thing or other, and seem unable to wring an ounce of consistency or victory out of their gaunt frames. The Bible put it best: A double minded man is uncertain in all of his ways. |
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I would give money to democrats too. At least if a dem was elected I would have a reasonably certain idea of how the voting would go. With the "moderate" republicans, they seem to vote according to however the media is portraying an issue. |
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Here is a list of the 7 that sold us out.
Susan Collins of Maine Chuck Hagel of Nebraska Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania John Warner of Virginia Mike DeWine of Ohio Lisa Murkowski of Alaska John Sununu of New Hampshire |
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Where is McCain? I thought he orchestrated this circle-jerk |
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SON OF A BITCH! GWB saved his ass during the last election - and this is how he pays us back? |
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This jackass needs to go... -LS |
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He did orchestrate it, however, he was never going to vote for the rule change anyhow. Given that fact, they must have accidently listed him as one of the seven democratic "moderates." |
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As stated, the Republicans wimped out.
Dems should have been told to go to hell and back. The Republicans did not win the media campaign on this and played right into the hands of the Dems. The media and the Dems made it sound like the fillibuster was going away whereas the Republicans didn't seem to be able to explain the true constitutional duty of all of the members to vote as they are supposed to. The Dems cried and whined because they are not in the majority except in the judicial branch of the government. With conservative judges entering the judicial system they lose some of their majority there and are really on the outs. This was their only way to ensure that they held onto some type of majority in the government. Anymore it seems the big controversial decisions are made in court precendents set by liberal judges. Losing these liberal minded judges and having more conservative thinkers means that the Democratic (socialist/progressive) agenda cannot be pushed ahead as fast as they would like. So the Republicans get nervous because of the media coverage and also some decide that using the fillibuster on some liberal judges may come into play down the road. I just say quit lying and tell the public the truth: that the Dems in the Senate did not do their elected job for the past few years by giving an up or down vote on these judge nominations. So what did we win? We get the PRIVLEDGE of having the Dems do their job by voting on SOME of the nominees. The Dems get to stop two "ultra" (loaded word there) conservative nominees, can still fillibuster nominees if they meet their criteria, and obviously win the media campaign since the "nuclear" option was not implemented thanks to their hard work. In essence they can come out smelling like roses, still stop whomever they want, and made the Republicans look like idiots in the media. While many of us understand the reasoning behind the so called "nuclear" option and why it was IMHO the right thing to do most of the sheeple don't even understand that the Senate must approve the president's court nominations. |
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John McCain is a punk... Never before as an opportunity to govern been so wasted as what has happened following the 04 elections. I will be staying home in 06 and 08 regardless of who is running.
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Did anyone really expect anything different from old "Scottish Law" Specter? |
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Yes, and it can't really be a surprise to anyone. Specter has always been a guy who folds to the other side when pressure is most intense. In this, he is doing his usual thing. Which is why I was none to happy with the White House for trying to save him. He is a fair weather friend, only dependable until it is important and then he bails. We don't need that. |
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I am inclined to agree that Warner's time is up. He has increasingly become a source of embarassment and woe when the chips are down. And I don't buy the arguement that without Warner Norfolk Naval base will close down. That's just bloody blackmail. |
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Is there any likelyhood that we will take the 7 up/down votes, THEN nail them for the other two?
Probably not, but I can always dream. |
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Rush is going to go ballistic. I'll be welded to my radio this afternoon.....
Fucking backstabbing limpwristed RINO scumbags..... |
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This is going to resonate all around DC for weeks. There are several potential sub-issues and "gotchas" in the soup too:
-What will happen when Bush nominates his next crop of appelate court justices. -What is the definition of "extraordinary circumstances"? How will each side define "extreme" and "out of the mainstream" jurists? -What will this group of RINOs and 'moderate" Dems do when the Supreme Court nominees come up for Advice and Consent? -What will the political fallout be for the RINOs? (I for one will not vote for Warner again. I won't vote for a Dem but Warner has lost my vote. He chose to ignore my letter last week and will now pay the consequences of his action. How many other voters will react thus?) -How will the White House react? If I were Bush and his team, I'd be nominating Alberto Gonzalez to the Supreme Court as soon as Chief Justice Rehnquist finally calls it quits. Let the Left try and stop him again. This matter is far from closed. As has been stated in the media...we have only "kicked the can down the street". I can assure you Dusty Harry and the rest of his liberal cabal will NOT permit a good conservative jurist to ascend to the SCOTUS without another major battle. Ask any of them why? Last night, one of the libs got it right (for them) when he stated that they held the line, if only temporarily on ROE V. WADE. THAT my friends continues to be the gorilla in the closet. THAT is the single most important issue to the Left. THAT is the issue they will NOT budge on. This ain't hardly over...so stay tuned! |
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I will not be sending any money to the Republican Party till DeWine and these others are gone! This guy gave me a big F@@@ You! on the AWB. He said that he had been getting a lot of calls telling him to not endorse a new AWB but he thought that they were wrong. I am so sick of RINO's. Why can't we get Libertarian or Constitution Party candidates for Congress and Senate? |
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Because unfortunately doing so will require handing the entire government over to the libs while we fight it out amongst ourselves. We are so screwed. One part wants to behead us, and our own is willing to slowly bleed us to death. Pathetic. |
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My letter, just sent out, to Arlen Sphincter:
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EXACTLY! It's amazing how frigging ignorant some of our membership here is--considering how much we discuss politics. Christ people, the simple fact is, it takes 60 votes to accomplish anything the Dems are willing to dig their heels in on--and we have a total of 55 Repubs, and several of them are quite liberal and willing to go against the leadership. That's the fact. It does NOT mean all Repubs are turncoats who are not doing what we elected them to do. Political realities are exactly that--REALITIES. "I'll never vote for another Republican" is just silly and uninformed and frankly, childish. |
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I'm not saying that I'm not going to vote for another Republican, but until they figure out how to lead, and also pull their collective heads out of their asses over illegal immigration, I'm not giving them another penny. They are still calling me all the time wanting more money. What good is it if they win, if they don't act like it? |
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