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Posted: 6/28/2001 8:11:12 AM EDT
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.....damn bring it down a notch. OK?
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Posted: 6/28/2001 8:20:04 AM EDT
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Well lets see. So far this week we've had bash the LEO threads,bash fat women threads, bash each other threads and now the "what does and doesn't belong on general discussion" thread has reared it's ugly head.
General discussion is the place to express your ideas and opinions of subjects that don't fit or relate to the other forums. As long as they follow the conduct code and user policy..rock on. Opinions are like Camaros...everybody has one.[:)] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 8:22:43 AM EDT
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Read the "Forums Conduct Code." ANYTHING, and I do mean ANYTHING, that falls within those guidelines is welcome. Otherwise, there is a more suitable place for discussing it elsewhere.
If that fails to clarify things for ya, e-mail me and we can talk. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 8:35:28 AM EDT
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Seeing the diverse topics including recent news items, crazy sex stories, bashings, praisings, NRA stuff, and typical gun chatter, I feel pretty safe in saying that just about anything can be discussed.
The problem with threads is that most of the time they dwindle down or turn into pissing contests. When that happens, they are done. If the conversation is still hot, then someone should start a new thread back up. Otherwise let the arguments die with the thread. -- GB |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 8:42:36 AM EDT
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I don't have a Camaro.
I have a '67 big-block Mustang. [8D] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 9:22:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: I feel pretty safe in saying that just about anything can be discussed. -- GB Unless they don't go along with garandman's religious beliefs. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 9:27:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: ...Unless they don't go along with garandman's religious beliefs. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 9:41:48 AM EDT
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this is simply the type of perversion that God MUST punish if he is to be justified in destroying Sodom and Gohmorrah... STEYRAUG - THANKS FOR BRINGING THE HEDO TRASH INTO THIS SITE. THANKS A-FUCKING-LOT... But this is sick. Sorry, but this is bullshit. we are about guns - NOT about are petty little sexaul escapades. Take that over to www.sexuallyobsessed.com. It is obvious that this topic bothered garandman on a personal level. It was an interesting topic, though. That is why I come here. Interesting GD topics. I'm probably your average visitor too: a white 25 year old male. If he closed it because it was long, whatever. But I have seen longer topics that had no substance whatsoever. But to attack and condemn SteyrAUG because he posted about something that he didn't agree with on a religious basis (that I personally found interesting), and then lock the thread is ridiculous. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 9:47:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: It is obvious that this topic bothered garandman on a personal level. It was an interesting topic, though. That is why I come here. Interesting GD topics. I'm probably your average visitor too: a white 25 year old male. If he closed it because it was long, whatever. But I have seen longer topics that had no substance whatsoever. But to attack and condemn SteyrAUG because he posted about something that he didn't agree with on a religious basis (that I personally found interesting), and then lock the thread is ridiculous. Bravo, 11BravoE5 - EXCELLENT editing job. I SPECIFICALLY said I was putting aside my religious beliefs in reference to the Hedonism thread. But you make it look like that was THE SOLE reason I locked the thread. What does that make you??? |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 9:53:44 AM EDT
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Garandman,
I too was shocked to read your rant over the Hedo thing. I agree with you most of the time (I really don't consider myself a Christian, just a fairly moral man), but the cloak of Christianity I would think cannot be so easily "set aside" if one is sincere in their beliefs. Using the f-word (not "Frank", the other one) was appalling, IMO. I really think you lost a lot of credibility as a moderator, and especially as a follower of Christ. It is just my opinion, and worth what you pay for it, but your words were shameful. I bet your words will be repeated back to you in a quote every time you try to "preach", just like they were here. [:(] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 9:57:21 AM EDT
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In defense of garandman and also as one of the "contestants" that was escalating this Hedo issue way beyond where it belonged, I think that he did the right thing. I believe that everyone was stepping "out of bounds" and I , personally sent him an apology for my part in making a mockery of an otherwise, somewhat harmless posting, that I now believe SteyrAug did with good intentions.
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:01:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Garandman, I too was shocked to read your rant over the Hedo thing. I agree with you most of the time (I really don't consider myself a Christian, just a fairly moral man), but the cloak of Christianity I would think cannot be so easily "set aside" if one is sincere in their beliefs. Using the f-word (not "Frank", the other one) was appalling, IMO. I really think you lost a lot of credibility as a moderator, and especially as a follower of Christ. It is just my opinion, and worth what you pay for it, but your words were shameful. I bet your words will be repeated back to you in a quote every time you try to "preach", just like they were here. [:(] NO DOUBT I lost my cool. NO DOUBT I was wrong. NO DOUBT I sinned. NO DOUBT I offer you all my sicerest apology. But I'm ONE person against roughly 2-3,000, constantly barraged from all sides. And alas - I'm only human. I'm weary of this place getting dragged into the gutter constantly. I come here to talk about guns, not female body parts. I know of numerous AR owners who won't come here any more becasue of the gutter atmosphere. I'e tried humor. I've tried logic. I've tried sarcasm. I've tried playing the devils advocate. And NOW, I've tried something everyone else has tried - vulgarity. Know what?? I was called a hypocrite before the cusses. I'll be called it after. leaving me asking myself - What's the point to me being here?? No answer is readily forthcoming. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:01:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: The problem with threads is that most of the time they dwindle down or turn into pissing contests. When that happens, they are done. If the conversation is still hot, then someone should start a new thread back up. Otherwise let the arguments die with the thread. -- GB Again, I agree with the sensible approach that is posted here by GoatBoy. This was just what he said a "pissing" contest and served only to spur others on to do better. I am glad that it ended and even sorry that I was a part of it. I have offered my aplogies to all and hope that in the future, I choose my words alittle more carefully. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:02:14 AM EDT
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I take the "take what you need and leave the rest" approach to most topics. Sometimes I get into the brawl if it's something I feel strongly about. But I don't think I would ever ask that a topic be locked, no matter how crazy it gets.
I figure that if a persons argument is weak, or even outright ridiculous, they'll do a very efficient job of hanging themselves, and turning readers against them. I think this theory applies to myself as well. I don't think I'm completely above being an a$$hole sometimes. [:)] If I'm being flamed for something I post, and I can't take the heat (which is never, heat doesn't bother me enough [:D])I'll get out of the kitchen. I don't need a moderator to lock the thread to save me. I believe that the only topics that should get locked in the GD forum are those that could potentially cause legal problems, such as death threats, pornography*, illegal acts, etc. *Edited to include: Yeah, I said pornography. I know I posted some pics that were borderline pornographic a while back, but I was properly chastised, and I have repented. [:)] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:10:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: I come here to talk about guns... May I suggest the other 19 forums on AR15.com that deal with guns? Perhaps "Rifles, Uppers, Lowers, Barrels, and more". |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:13:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Read the "Forums Conduct Code." ANYTHING, and I do mean ANYTHING, that falls within those guidelines is welcome. Otherwise, there is a more suitable place for discussing it elsewhere. If that fails to clarify things for ya, e-mail me and we can talk. Garandman, I took your advise and read the "Forums Conduct Code". I direct your attention to the following section which was authored by....garandman! Rule # 4 - No pissing matches. Its fine to disagree, but once a thread has run its course, and degenerated into little more than an insult fest, it will be locked. While this WILL require a judgment call by the Mods, the board members can keep our moderating to a minimum by exercising a little discretion and self- control. Based on your rants in the "HedoIII" thread, I'm gonna have to call you on this one. It's not about your religion, it's not about your personal conduct beliefs, it's not about your being "one against roughly 2-3,000 others". It's about being a hypocrite. If you're gonna lay down the law, then live by it. If not, then shut up. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:16:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I come here to talk about guns... May I suggest the other 19 forums on AR15.com that deal with guns? Perhaps "Rifles, Uppers, Lowers, Barrels, and more". Best idea I've heard all day. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:34:43 AM EDT
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garandman, you totally shocked me seeing you use the f-word in the HedoIII thread! [:O]Don't know if I can still see you as the [u]ultimate Kung-Fu fighter with the bible.[/u]
Now go sit in the corner and think about what you did wrong. [b]-RoadDog[/b] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:35:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: leaving me asking myself - What's the point to me being here?? No answer is readily forthcoming. The only answer is because "You want to be here." You, me and everyone one else can leave anytime. I have left other boards because they weren't for me. And as far as being outnumbered? Christ man, I went to the Hedo Board ALONE to defend myself. I have put MY own ass so far out on a limb that the only one in front of me is MCUZI. Consider for a moment my former employment combined with my beliefs. Do you think I had a LOT of support? You have beliefs because you believe they are correct, not because they are popular. I'm amazed YOU of all people didn't remember that. So quit worrying about being outnumbered. NO ONE has asked YOU to change YOUR beliefs. We only ask the same. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 10:37:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: garandman, you totally shocked me seeing you use the f-word in the HedoIII thread! [:O]Don't know if I can still see you as the [u]ultimate Kung-Fu fighter with the bible.[/u] Now go sit in the corner and think about what you did wrong. [b]-RoadDog[/b] You right.... |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 11:02:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: leaving me asking myself - What's the point to me being here?? No answer is readily forthcoming. The only answer is because "You want to be here." You, me and everyone one else can leave anytime. SteyrAUG obviously is a wise man. My words were not meant to tear you down or make you doubt yourself. We all make mistakes. I think this was a whopper, but hey, I am in no position to cast the first stone. [:)] Calm down, pray a little, or whatever helps. Have a beer--whatever. This is a great place to dwell, but not to be taken too seriously. We should have real lives too. You're still a good man in my book. Too bad we live so far apart--a day's shooting together would be great. [beer] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 11:05:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: This is a great place to dwell, but not to be taken too seriously. Too bad we live so far apart--a day's shooting together would be great. [beer] I probably need some time away from the fray. And I'll second the shooting thing. I needs to clear my head. The voices are getting REALLY loud....[:D] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 11:06:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: Too bad we live so far apart--a day's shooting together would be great. [beer] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 11:15:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Too bad we live so far apart--a day's shooting together would be great. [beer] Sir, I would love that--thanks for the offer. BUT, my wife and I are building a cabin and I must work on it this weekend. My brother is coming from Wisconsin to help and the carpenter is needing me. I haven't pulled a trigger for two weeks and am definitely suffering withdrawal, but duty calls. Starting to rethink the cabin thing, but as they say--that train has left the station. Too damn much time/attention needed on it. Sure will be nice when complete though. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 11:21:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: I don't have a Camaro. I have a '67 big-block Mustang. [8D] I had rice for lunch, and you? [bounce] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 11:42:45 AM EDT
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No pissing matches?
That reminds when I was in third grade. We had contests to see who could piss the farthest in the boys room. This one kid, Allen Riggens, would always pop a boner and give him the extra inch to win the contest. One day, Allen is pissing away and slowly backing away from the urinal to see how far away he could get. We were all cheering him on when all of a sudden the Teacher walks in... We went to a Catholic school and the teacher was the head nun. Poor Allen has his schwanz in his hand and now pee is dribbling down his leg while the nun silently stares at him. After what seemed an eternity, she just turned around and walked out. Poor kid never did live it down. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 11:47:12 AM EDT
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I think everyone is reading too much into the reason why the post was locked.
Garandman obviously read enough of it to know what was going on, it's been up there for how long now? how many comments did he put forth? How many times did he comment he did not agree with it? how many threats to lock it if pictures or discussions were not curbed??? Exactly! That thread had turned ugly for a while (since page 2!!!) and in my stupidity (ok, I've been a grumpy bastard lately) I ignored closing it and in fact joined it! I felt that defending someone who was in the right was more important at that time than closing it to avoid arguing. The point of this, is that I got involved and then did not want to act on it. Garandman was big enough to realize this should have been closed, went against his beliefs, and still fought with himself over closing it. (Thus why it was not locked right away, or even right after his first post!) This morning I finally came to my senses and as I was about to lock it, it had already been locked. (And 100% in the right!) His religious views may not be agreed upon by many, myself included, but he doesn't push it down anyones throat, and he does not overstep the rules. (So far anyhow!!! [=)]) I'm pretty sure he decided not to close it, then re-read the last few pages and realized he had to close it for other reasons than his own beliefs. So back off and leave the AR15.Com Crusader alone!!! As for defending you on the other board, I stated my opinions clearly here. I didn't wish to post it on the other forum because I did not want to start a cross site pissing contest with people who are so obviously hypocrites!!! Everyone go play nice now, you're bothering me!!! [=)][=)][=)][=)][=)][=)][=)][=)][=)][=)][=)][=)][=)] -- GB |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 1:05:36 PM EDT
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Yeah, garandman can sometimes be a pretty cool cat in my book. In my neighborhood, we all carry the garandman trading card from the [u]Christian Hero trading card series[/u] in our back pockets. Sometimes we even argue on who can play garandman in our role-playing games. One kid even has a poster of garandman in his room!
Besides, garandman is our resident bible-thumbing, champion Kung-Fu fighter on this site. And he is a survivor of many Internet "barroom brawls" here in the forums. Man, that cat also has beliefs as fast as lightening and words as sharp as throwing stars! But I was a little shocked that he lost it on the Hedo thread by using a word I "thought" was not in his vocabulary. GoatBoy, you must of picked garandman for a mod for a good reason. Oh well, I guess we won't trade garandman's trading card for an old Babe Ruth card that another kid wanted for his. [:)] [b]-RoadDog[/b] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 1:11:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: Besides, garandman is our resident bible-thumbing, champion Kung-Fu fighter on this site. And he is a survivor of many Internet "barroom brawls" here in the forums. Man, that cat also has beliefs as fast as lightening and words as sharp as throwing stars! But I was a little shocked that he lost it on the Hedo thread by using a word I "thought" was not in his vocabulary. Oh well, I guess we won't trade garandman's trading card for a old Babe Ruth card that another kid wanted for his. [:)] [b]-RoadDog[/b] Roady - LOL!!!!!!! Believe you me, I'm capable of some pretty rotten stuff. THAT part of my vocabulary came from several years of working construction. AND from a volatile Irish temper. [:D] Seriously, I'm sure I come of as a self-righteous nerd -o. My deal is this - I beleive the Bible, and TRY to live by it. And I mess up and blow it (aka "sin") from time to time. I've received Jesus as my Savior, but I'm far from being what I ought. Days like today simply serve to remind me of that, and knock me down a peg or two. |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 1:17:43 PM EDT
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I have put MY own ass so far out on a limb that the only one in front of me is MCUZI. [size=6]BREWHAHAHAHA[/size=6] QUOTE of the YEAR! Priceless!! Give the MAN his due!!![smoke] |
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Posted: 6/28/2001 1:22:30 PM EDT
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my .02
This board has more freedom than ANYTHING I have ever seen...BAR NONE...BUT, in exchange, we the public, as well as the Mods, expect and deserve a lil responsibility in the postings. garand..dont let it get to ya...'ALL HAVE SINNED'...keep strong....you need it to hold up that heavy garand! Steyer...Great pics page one...after that I was done..it went 5 pages? WOW! GB..maybe a NC17 section...like dumping brass over at fnfal.com? somewhere unmoderated where 'dirty pictures' and pissing matches are the norm? maybe not, MIGHT bring this forum down notch in class, but also would allow for a section to have this secluded for interested parties.... |
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