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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:31:11 AM EDT
MILAN - A radical Egyptian cleric known as Abu Omar was walking to a Milan mosque for noon prayers in February 2003 when he was grabbed on the sidewalk by two men, sprayed in the face with chemicals and stuffed into a van. He hasn't been seen since. Milan investigators, however, now appear to be close to identifying his kidnappers. Last month, officials showed up at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy and demanded records of any American planes that had flown into or out of the joint U.S.-Italian military installation around the time of the abduction. They also asked for logs of vehicles that had entered the base. Shadowy practice probed Italian authorities suspect the Egyptian was the target of a CIA-sponsored operation known as rendition, in which terrorism suspects are forcibly taken for interrogation to countries where torture is practiced. • CIA avoids scrutiny of detainee treatment • Democrats seek probes on CIA interrogations • CIA moves to second fiddle in intelligence work The Italian probe is one of three official investigations that have surfaced in the past year into renditions believed to have taken place in Western Europe. Although the CIA usually carries out the operations with the help or blessing of friendly local intelligence agencies, law enforcement authorities in Italy, Germany and Sweden are examining whether U.S. agents may have broken local laws by detaining terrorist suspects on European soil and subjecting them to abuse or maltreatment. The CIA has kept details of rendition cases a closely guarded secret, but has defended the controversial practice as an effective and legal way to prevent terrorism. Intelligence officials have testified that they have relied on the tactic with greater frequency since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Resistance from Europe The Bush administration has received backing for renditions from governments that have been criticized for their human rights records, including Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan, where many of the suspects are taken for interrogation. But the administration is getting a much different reception in Europe, where lawmakers and prosecutors are questioning whether the practice is a blatant violation of local sovereignty and human rights. There are many practical and legal hurdles to filing criminal charges against U.S. agents, including the question of whether they are protected by diplomatic immunity and the matter of determining their identity. However, prosecutors in Italy and Germany have not ruled out criminal charges. At the same time, the European investigations are producing new revelations about the suspected U.S. involvement in the disappearances of four men, not including the Egyptian, each of whom claims they were physically abused and later tortured. looks like they aren't safe in France afterall 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:34:31 AM EDT
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Awesome.
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:35:22 AM EDT
[#2]
Great.
 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:41:01 AM EDT
[#3]
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:45:39 AM EDT
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do "rendition" take requests...
I'd like to nominate Abu Hamsa (the prick with the hooks) Taffy
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:49:01 AM EDT
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This is what the CIA is supposed to be doing. I just wish they were better at doing it sub rosa and without generating sneering articles in Le Monde.
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:49:38 AM EDT
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only way to deal with those scumbags
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:50:35 AM EDT
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That 737 has logged some serious air time.
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:51:03 AM EDT
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Are they sure the Brits aren't doing some of this too?
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:53:06 AM EDT
[#9]
Oh Yes!!!!!!
Bad men and a Gulfstream V! Britain and the US don't allow torture, but we know people who do!!!!!! Gulfstream V N379P and the process is called 'Extraordinary Rendition"…… The Jet has since been re-registred… www.globalpolicy.org/empire/terrorwar/analysis/2005/0210britaccused.htm ANdy |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:53:49 AM EDT
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In it up to our necks!…read my linky! ANdy |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:56:34 AM EDT
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Hey, if you have to travel in flexcuffs with a bag over your head, a GV is the only way to do it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:57:27 AM EDT
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Why Jarhead? Our Islamofascist 'friends' are shitting their pants world wide in case they get 'invited' for an all expenses paid trip in an excutive jet!… In Counter Terror ops you should make your enemies afraid of the dark and strike terror into their cold dark hearts. Want to guess how many would be 9/11 jihadis took a 'one way flight' to hell? ANdy |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:57:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:58:59 AM EDT
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Note to bad guys in Europe and elsewhere - You really, really don't want to be on our shit list.
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:03:54 AM EDT
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 This is the actual jet would be Jihadis really don't want to fly on… it's very hard to get a return ticket! ANdy |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:07:17 AM EDT
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in other news, a european reporter was grabbed, sprayed in the face, and thrown in a van...
man, i hope this is true; if so, Good Work eta: thanks for the clarification. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:12:08 AM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:12:45 AM EDT
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That's the CIA's bag. NSA does this kind of stuff:
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:24:48 AM EDT
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+1 Nice to know they are doing thier job 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:29:15 AM EDT
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Now ther interesting part of all this is that one of the destinations is SYRIA. Which makes you scratch your head since all the saber rattling against Syria recently.
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:31:52 AM EDT
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What am I missing here? This is a terrible idea. How is sinking to this level a good idea?
This just give credence to the left's arguments that GWB is a bigger terrorist than the terrorists. Are these abductees really giving up any info? Hey if this is a good idea, maybe we should just run some jets into Mecca, what's fair is fair , right. Eye for eye and all that. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:37:58 AM EDT
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Since it was re-registered, an outfit called Yellowstone Aviation has reserved that reg number. Interesting. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:55:23 AM EDT
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Quoted:
What am I missing here? This is a terrible idea. How is sinking to this level a good idea? This just give credence to the left's arguments that GWB is a bigger terrorist than the terrorists. Are these abductees really giving up any info? Hey if this is a good idea, maybe we should just run some jets into Mecca, what's fair is fair , right. Eye for eye and all that. [/quote I'll settle for a pork drop
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:59:26 AM EDT
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I'll settle for a pork drop How 'bout a MOAB with a few dozen menstruating swine strapped to it? |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 10:03:00 AM EDT
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i disagree, missles would be cheaper and have a better effect. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 10:07:26 AM EDT
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Hey.. I'm all for a little information extraction technics on these islamonazis. Then send there facist ass's into an active volano and send them to allah. Let him deal with them. If it saves American lives in the process. Lets get it done now, not 20 years from now. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 10:09:16 AM EDT
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the last 5 years or so. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 10:18:21 AM EDT
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Reason #8,482 why I voted for President Bush.
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Posted: 3/13/2005 1:12:27 PM EDT
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I dunno...a brain, a clue, any sort of realistic perspective? All of the above? |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 1:15:21 PM EDT
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I hope we are doing this....
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Posted: 3/13/2005 1:20:46 PM EDT
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What you are missing is that we are at war with these people, they will kill us at any opportunity, there can be no safe havens for them. Attack us, we will find you, there is nowhere you can hide, you will suffer the consequences. 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 1:30:18 PM EDT
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The nice thing about all this is that it's all something of a game between the intel agencies. I don't believe that the European agencies really have much of a problem with the abductions in and of themselves, they probably believe that the people had it coming, as much as the natural objection to the concept of someone else's intelligence agency mucking around in their own country abducting people. It -is- against the law after all.
I'm sure that if the CIA agents involved were caught and identified, it would be considered 'a fair cop' by the US. Doubtless the FBI has similar concepts to Mossad or whoever conducting their own vendettas in the US. Still, the Irish government really would like to have the Lebanese chap currently living in Detroit wanted for the murder of three of their soldiers in the 1980s. They were hoping that post-9/11 legislation might make it easier to extradite, and Irish people are too good-natured to go nabbing him on their own.. NTM |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:02:53 PM EDT
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Remember back after 9/11 GWB said this would be a war fought in the shadows?… Welcome to the 'Shadow War'… this is the real battleground in the WoT. ANdy |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:27:51 PM EDT
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The only thing missing on that plane are some bomb-bay doors to drop the terrorists out over the ocean. 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:33:25 PM EDT
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I just use a regular commercial van with no windows and a stun gun. Works everytime
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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:35:56 PM EDT
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Where the fuck have you been? Under a rock? You fight fire with fire ..........geeez. 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:49:39 PM EDT
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Argh, I know I shouldn't like this but hell, I can't supress a grin at some of the dissapearances. I listened to a radio programme about that Gulf Stream. You reckon the crew get frequent flyer miles, cos they have been very busy
/Phil |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:51:59 PM EDT
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I betting they are. Probably LOTS of info.
As far as I'm concerned "an eye for an eye" isn't sufficient payback - try "every single f*cking terrorist still walking the Earth's lives, as well as any govt or other organization supporting them's lives, for an eye". Even that doesn't seem quite enough to me, but it will have to do. Grow a pair already. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:56:49 PM EDT
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 Playing by "The Rules" is fine when you are talking about BASEBALL. In case you haven't noticed we are fighting for our WAY OF LIFE! 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 3:10:16 PM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 3/13/2005 3:32:20 PM EDT
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I'm sure our CIA doesn't spend billions of dollars just to abduct innocent people and torture them just for the hell of it. They probably use NSA email and phone intercepts to determine who's a "player" and where they are, and then the CIA does what they have to do to get the info from them, assasinate them, or whatever it is they do. I really don't see what the big deal is. It's not like they're kidnapping American citizens on American soil. If they did that, THEN I would have a problem with the .GOV. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 4:56:27 PM EDT
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The terrorists dont play by any rules, and they see our restraint as weakness. Fuck them. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.
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Posted: 3/13/2005 6:14:57 PM EDT
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Some people are clueless of whats going on in the real world.
Were dealing with terrorist, not actual goverments. These people work in the shadows. They could very well be your neighbor, friend, co-worker, boss, doctor, lawyer, the guy at McDonalds,or even a public official. They are invisible to most people, because they have to be. They don't go around with signs telling you who they are and what they will do next. But they do tend to use the same contacts or finacial institutions that help identify them. This is how they( the terrorist) are ussually tracked down and captured. Once captured, time is short before someone in their cell group figures out they are missing and move on to the next location to hide. So yes, its O.K. in my book if you have to grab the little bastards off a side street in France,or Germany. Then fly hime to Cuba or some torture friendly country(depending on how fast you need the info), and do the deed. Yes, even barbecue the little son of bitch to get that info. Lets face it. they love to show Americans heads being slowly cut off in front of a camera, then played in the news for entertainment to the other followers. Why should more American have to die to entertain your liberal beliefs? If you still have a problem with what has to be done. Then why don't you go to Iraq, and get yourself captured by the socalled Insergents(terrorist), so we can watch your head being slowly removed off of your carcass. At that last moment when the blades starts cutting your flesh. You will finally get the revelation of your life. Then it will be too late. |
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