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Posted: 3/10/2005 10:10:02 AM EDT
Got shoot a bobcat weapons SBR MP5 clone the other day. I have heard good and bad things about them. We put 500rounds of wolf through it with one one FTE. THe thing ran perfect!
Might have to get me onw now. Good looking gun. |
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[Nelson]Haaaa Haaaa[/Nelson] |
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and it just kept a runnin and a runnin... mama said they were my magic shoes
Seriously though... I have looked at those, also checking out the ones at vector arms. www.vectorarms.com |
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I have heard bad things about the vector ones. Don't knock the bobcats til you shoot one |
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Oh I am not knockin either, haven't shot either one.
No one here I can find carries them, but we do have a funshow this weekend! |
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The Bobcat Weapons rifles are not built by Special Weapons, this mis information has been passed around the boards for to long .Yes the original design was by the famous Toad but the rifles are now built and the company is owned by Andy Bonas .We have sold the Bobcat line since the company opened and 140 rifles later have had NO PROBLEMS AT ALL . Not one warranty problem on 140 rifles , please feel free to call or email if you have any questions and would like ot get real feedback on the rifles and not rehasshed gossip . Thank You Atlantic Firearms,llc
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Then why are e they made in the same house as Special Weapons were? @ 4613 E Ivy St, Mesa, AZ 85205. Do you want me to drive by the House and take a pic? BTW: I asked him if I could see of of his "weapons", before I bought one. He told me "Nope, you have to by one . Then you can hold it." Whats up with that? I have not seen one for sale in any local gun shops here in Mesa. This is "Special Weapons" address.... 4613 E Ivy st suite 102 Mesa, AZ 85205 So if they are not the same company then why do they have the same address? ETA: I was wrong its not a house, its a Industrial park. |
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I would be interested in hearing who sad bad about vecotors HK clones. This is hte forst thing I have heard bad about vector guns compared to the constant bad reports regarding BW/SW/TN.. OH and dont play the "until you have handle one" card as I have sold and fired both BW and SW guns and the vector IMHO is a better clone hands down. The last BW I seen was at the last funshow. It must have been and early one as the welds were sloppy and the finish was ....whats the word I am looking for....unconsistant. The whole Toad pissing match is just that, a pissing match. But the claims that Bobcat, Spechel, and Top Notch are not related, is false. DO a little checking and you will see. I will say that I have seen a couple BW guns that looked pretty good. But I would glady pay more elsewhere to not support a copmany/group of people that has such a bad reputation in regards to CS. On that note, Vector has a VERY GOOD customer service dept that jumps to help, not get out of the way as some other companies do. My most recent Vector is and UZI which runs 100%, with near perfect fit and finish. I wont buy any other BW guns as IMHO, the ones I have shot did not impress me. IMHO, go with the Vector. You will be taken care if ever you have any troubles. Good luck! CH |
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Corporate Inquiry File Number: -1073307-4 Corp. Name: BOBCAT WEAPONS INC. Domestic Address PO BOX 210107 MESA, AZ 85277 Statutory Agent Information Agent Name: ANDREW C BONAS Agent Mailing Address: 3064 E MALLORY ST MESA, AZ 85013 Agent Physical Address: 4613 E. IVY ST. SUITE #102 MESA, AZ 85205 Agent Status: APPOINTED 08/27/2003 Agent Last Updated: 06/04/2004 Officer and Director Information Name: ANDREW G BONAS Title: PRESIDENT/CEO Address: 3064 E. MALLORY ST. MESA, AZ 85213 Date Assigned: 04/14/2003 Last Updated: 06/04/2004 Name: LOOISE D BONAS Title: SECRETARY Address: 3064 E. MALLORY ST. MESA, AZ 85213 Date Assigned: 04/14/2003 Last Updated: 06/04/2004 Corporate Inquiry File Number: -0968064-0 Corp. Name: SPECIAL WEAPONS, INC., A CLOSE CORPORATION Domestic Address 4613 E IVY ST #102 MESA, AZ 85205 Statutory Agent Information Agent Name: TODD R BAILEY Agent Mailing/Physical Address: 6926 E UPPER TRL CIR MESA, AZ 85207 Agent Status: APPOINTED 05/10/2002 Agent Last Updated: 06/21/2002 Officer and Director Information Name: TODD BAILEY Title: PRESIDENT/CEO Address: 6926 E UPPER TRL CIR MESA, AZ 85205 Date Assigned: 11/14/2000 Last Updated: 02/17/2005 |
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Info on the building that houses both Special Weapons and Bobcat Weapons.
Property Information View Parcel #: 141-34-297 Subdivision Name: MESA COMMERCE CENTER LOT 1-89 TR A B MCR #: 29221 Lot #: 14 Property Address: 4613 E IVY ST MESA 85205 Property Description: MESA COMMERCE CENTER MCR 292-21 Section Township Range: 10 1N 6E Associated Parcel: Owner Information View Tax Statement Owner: YEE JANET CHUN/LAU JENNIE YEE TR In Care Of: Mailing Address: 640 PAIKAU HONOLULU HI 96816 USA Deed #: 010527382 Sales Price: n/a * Deed Date: 6/15/2001 Sales Date: n/a * * Only sales for the last three years are maintained. Valuation Information View Comparables (COMPS) Tax Year: 2006 2005 2004 Full Cash Value (FCV): $529,823 $463,703 $458,040 Limited Property Value (LPV): $481,845 $438,041 $398,219 Legal Class: 1 1 1 Assessment Ratio: 25% 25% 25% Assessed FCV: $132,456 $115,926 $114,510 Assessed LPV: $120,461 $109,510 $99,555 Property Use Code: 3740 3740 3740 Tax Area Code: 041000 041000 041000 ATLANTIC-FIREARMS Industry Partner please stop spreading misinformation on this site. |
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O.K. help a dumba*s out, how the heck do you get all of that info????
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He's Batman |
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This is why you pay a lawyer $200 an hour.
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You can go online in Texas and look up property throught the web site of the county appraisal district and get the property info. You can then go to the web site of the State Comptroller or Secretary of State (for the state, not US) and get basic Corporate info on any registered corporation in the state. That's how you would do it in Texas and I assume the same thing can be done in AZ. |
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Ok, let's get a few things straight, Bobcat Weapons is not Special Weapons .Yes Special Weapons supplys the parts as they do with Vector Arms. We have no real incentive to make these post other than stating the truth about Bobcat & the product if they were not a good product we would not want to represent them. We have sold over 140 units and had no problems or complaints from our customers .Thus having this exposure and customer feedback allows us to judge the product & formulate the opinion we have . I must ask how all the Bobcat bashers came up with their evaluations ?
Below is a tid bit of info concerning Bobcat & Special Weapons relation ship etc. > > Thank you for your interest in Bobcat Weapons products. I hope the > following information answers your question to your satisfaction. If you > would like further clarification, I will be glad to discuss it with you at > your convenience. > > Todd Bailey, the founder of Special Weapons Inc., is a long time business > acquaintance of mine. I actually hired him in at TRW to develop new airbag > technology in the mid to late 1990's. So we kept in touch on and off over > the years. I moved from TRW, in Mesa Arizona, to California to run a small > aerospace company in early 1999. In early 2003, I decided it was time to > begin my own venture. I contacted several friends that I had developed over > time to look for opportunities. When I called Todd, it just so happened > that he had decided to shut down the civilian sales side of his firearms > business because he wanted to focus his resources on the law enforcement, > military and foreign government sales. After several conversations, we > struck a deal. I would develop an independent company with its own identity > to produce and distribute firearms for the civilian market. My company > would have exclusive access to all of the Special Weapons Inc. owned > supplier tooling and parts in exchange for a license fee and the commitment > to purchase parts through Special Weapons Inc. Thus Bobcat Weapons was > founded in April 2003 as an Arizona Corporation. > > > > Therefore, Bobcat Weapons, Inc. is not owned in part or in whole by Todd > Bailey, Wendy Bailey or any relation thereof. In addition, Bobcat Weapons, > Inc. is not owned in part or in whole by any other company. You can review > the corporate filings for Bobcat Weapons, Inc. at > http://www.cc.state.az.us/corp/annrpts/index.htm. Click on "Annual Reports" > in the left side margin and then search for Bobcat Weapons. There are a few > other reports on the site if you search around a bit. > > > > > > You will notice that Bobcat Weapons and Special Weapons share the same > physical address. Bobcat Weapons occupies the back half of the same > building as Special Weapons. It made sense for Bobcat Weapons to be > co-located with Special Weapons until we learned the intricacies of > manufacturing the rifle. Bobcat Weapons is re-locating to a new facility as > of February 2005. > > > > Bobcat Weapons Inc. is an independent manufacturer of firearms. In fact we > are in discussions to produce a completely different firearm than an HK > clone. In addition, we have considered developing our own firearm or clone. > Both of these projects are completely independent of Special Weapons and > Todd Bailey. > > > > One final comment. If it were not for Special Weapons and Todd Bailey, I > would not have launched Bobcat Weapons. Todd Bailey has been very > successful with the HK clones and other firearms he has developed. No > matter what your relationship with or opinion of Special Weapons or Todd > Bailey you have to give him credit for his accomplishments. I believe the > civilian market owes Todd Bailey and other entrepreneurs alike, a debt of > gratitude for making available several unique and interesting firearms that > would not otherwise be available to the civilian market. > > > > You are more than welcome to publish this information. It is basically the > same Information that I offer when asked over the telephone. > > > If I may be of further assistance, you may reach me at the numbers listed > below. > > Best Regards, > Andy Bonas > > Bobcat Weapons Inc. > PO Box 21017 > Mesa, AZ 85277-1017 > phone: 480.832.0844 > fax: 206.350.5274 > mobile: 480.343.2285 > email: [email protected] > web site: www.bobcatweapons.com > |
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I've had some FTE's with my actual HK 94. It happens. I've put..hm...say 1500 rounds through it. I'd have, on average, one FTE with every 360 rounds fired. I have 12 30 round curved mags for it and another 10 straight. I've had FTE's with both curved and straight mags. Pretty much all FTE's happened on the next-to-last round on the mag, and it was always a random mag; sometimes 3rd, sometimes 9th, etc...when I take it out I usually load everything up and empty it at the range (it's a lot lighter carrying it back to the car that way ) |
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Blaine unfortuately there is a lot of animosity toward Todd and anything he has touched. The funny thing is that most of these bashers have not even held a SW product but are merely barfing up internet hearsay. Todds personality definitely has contributed mightily to the stigmata that is carried by his products. If he had provided good CS and stood by his products he would most likely still would be the top HK clone producer. But his rants especially against ORF is entertaining to say the least.
I have a SW weapon. IGF tweeked and built it. Totally reliable and no failures of any kind. |
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Where is the evidence that Toad bought, or was buying, HK? Wait a minute, that never happened...but someone said it was...wait, that was Toad himself...nevermind...
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ARDOC I totally agree, due to product & customer service problems we cancelled all our orders with Special Weapons . At that point we switched to Ohio Rapid Fire's H/K clone products & were very pleased. However Todd Grove/ Ohio Rapid Fire ran out of receivers to work with and we had to switch over to Bobcat.Our experience with them has been fantastic, we have sold several to police and nothing but positive feedback. Hopefully Ohio Rapid Fire will have these back in prouction sometime in the future, we are a distibutor for them and will carry the rifles if they are built .
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Hey this is ARFCOM, this is what we do best! EDIT for spelling. |
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Wow. Just wow. Do you want to buy a bridge? |
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ETA: This is the 1st good review I have heard of a Bobcat Weapon....and it still had a problem. |
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Yeah - it's just complete coincidence that the new (and completely separate) company sells EXACTLY the same product as the old company with a shitty reputation. Really. Trust us. Todd would NEVER lie to anyone. |
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I was expecting to see the Ivy street address here too.
Taxpayer Services Division Entity Name: ATLANTIC FIREARMS, LLC Dept. ID #: W06952444 Principal Office (Current): 10337 BUNTING ROAD BISHOPVILLE, MD 21813 Resident Agent (Current): BLAINE ALLEN BUNTING 10337 BUNTING ROAD BISHOPVILLE, MD 21813 Status: ACTIVE Good Standing: Yes Business Code: Other Date of Formation or Registration: 08/12/2002 State of Formation: MD Stock/Nonstock: N/A Close/Not Close: Unknown |
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Does anyone work at TRW who can confirm the asserted employment of both Toad and Bonas?
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Bwaa ha ha!!! That's the funniest thing I've ever read on the interweb. |
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I have a REALLY hard time believe this clown does ANY military sales basesd on his poor people skills. If the parts are made ny him, then the rifle is made by him. And almost ALL clone rifles suck. Sgatr15 |
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That is unacceptable for ANY rifle. SGtar15 |
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I can't believe SteyrAUG hasn't weighed in here.
Anyway....I would have no hesitation dealing with Atlantic...but not for a toad gun. I don't care what the company's current name is, the reputation precedes them. |
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+1 Atlantic, may I suggest you not be so fast to defend the trio of Toad, as thus far your company has a good rep, and always on top of things. The damage done is more then you can undo at this point. Just a suggestion! CH |
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I have heard of people having problems with special weapons, I have an SW-5 that runs great.
Had a lot of FTE's at breaking in the rilfle with the included straight mag. I have since bought 3 30-rounders, and have fired hundreds of rounds at a time with no failures. |
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That would be to funny!
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Gator,
Where do you live? I would like to shoot your SW-5. As I am not allowed to see one before I buy it.
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I'd just like to add to that - I woudl ABSOLUTELY buy from Atlantic as well. I may find it surprising that they would believe that story - but I have heard nothing but good things about their business, and I wouldn't hesitate to do business with them. I can be remarkably gullible myself at time, and don't see that being overly trusting is a bad thing. |
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I really really want that V-53 pistol but after a complete and TOTAL NIGHTMARE experience with SW I'm still too traumatized. (I ended getting most of my $ back after 1year & 3 months and bought a REAl 94). I'll wait to hear more range reports. But no way will I EVER go through that again. I can't believe somebody would shit on customers that bad in the "gun world". AF, I do appreciate your honesty on your posts in this thread though. |
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It ain't the weapon, it's the mags..my point was that there's more than one cause for failures in a rifle. (One of the HK mags has a weirdly bent lip.) |
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I have shot a run of the mill bobcat as well as stated before, it ran fine no problems. I would have no problem buying one.
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Why take a chance on getting a speshul/bobcat when you can get an HK clone from Ohio Rapidfire for just a bit more?
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