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can ya believe that there are men in this country that sit down to pee ?

Alls I'll say is this -

If you love you children, get them out of the public school hell hole.

Either send them to private school, or educate them at home. Pay whatever it costs.

You see them everyday! Those XXXXXXL widebodies
who haven't seen their "business" since they were 12 and have to use a "johnnie mop" to wipe their posteriers, if they even bother.

Not to jump you [i]again[/i] [;)] but I am curious about merits of the alternatives you offer.  

Now.. if my child wasn't receiving a good ACADEMIC education, which can still be found in some public schools, I would consider that a legitimate reason to put them in private school.  

However, I don't think I would ever homeschool my children... they would miss out on too much social interaction with other kids.  It's the good and bad experiences that we have in that setting that teach us coping skills, etc.

I would definately supplement their school education with additional lessons at home and stay involved with their teachers and their school...

BTW, how many parents here have gone in and volunteer as a teacher's assistant for a day?  I remember my mom doing that quasi-regularly.. often enough to embarrass me, anyway [:D]... but I think that was a wonderderful thing.  

I agree and am doing it. It really whacks me off to pay for the public school system and then have to pay again to send my kids to private (Christian) school. [:(!] Whatever the price, it's been well worth it!

The "social interaction" concern is a VERY legitimate one. However, the home school movement has come a LOOOONG way from teh "mom and Jr. for 8 hours a day" stereotype that is usually applied. Its much more organized and structured, where even regional home schoolers get together on a frequent basis. It would require a little creativity by teh parents. Good friends of our home school their children, and those children play organized baseball, football and basketball, as well as church youth functions. They are VERY normal, healthy, well adjusted children.

That said, I find it MUCH more important that a child be protected from the LIES AND PROPAGANDA that permeate much of the public school sysytem, than the child be able to get "social skills" from the school, that can be obtained in MANY other places other than a Leftist re-education camp (aka public school.)

I mean REALLY - if they are teaching kids that dodgeball is wrong, IMAGINE what they are saying about firearms. They are training YOUR child to grow up to take away YOUR firearm.

I'm NOT saying there aren't SOME good public schools. And obviously there are MANY excellent public school teachers. My best friend is one.

Of course, I also have other religious reasons for condemning the public schools. For instance, they are teaching children to scoof at the notion of the existence of God. Dangerous stuff.

Public schools CAN provide a good education - technically speaking. But they are producing VERY poor citizens. Kids that think the world OWES them.

I saw my mom scrub nursing home floors on her hands and knees to send me to private school. It made me conscious of the principle of working for what you get.

Bottom line is this - if you want your kids to learn to read and write, the public school system MAY suffice. But they can learn to read and write OTHER ways - WITHOUT the Marxist propaganda inherent to the public schools.

Not the least of which is children learning to be on the gov't dole from First Grade. Why should I be in jeopardy of losing my home if I don't pay my property taxes, the vast majority of which go to fund a school system that teaches kids to scoff at God. Would you want to fund a childs education where he learns to believe in God (ala Christian school)??

Don't mean to be hostile. I'm just tired of funding anti-God religion.

With respect to lies and propaganda, I believe most folks are referring to social studies, government and history classes.  My take is that history will always be slanted by the person who documents it.  

When I was growing up I had my school history books (which my mom reviewed with me for bias and accuracy) but I also had other resources such as William Zims book on the history of the U.S.  Very interesting read if anyone else is interested.  My mom made sure I had varied sources to draw from and let me know that the "truth" is usually somewhere in between what both parties purported.

As for the sciences, math, debate, journalism, photography, sports (some of the things I enjoyed)... I don't recall a lot of "propaganda".. if anything, we were encouraged to independently explore, challenge and prove our thoughts.  [i]Those[/i] are the things I wouldn't want my children to miss out on.  

The other thing about homeschooling is where is the cross-section of society that your child would be exposed to in public school?  I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most homeschooled kids are in middle to upper class families... which is not an accurate representation of our culture.  The kids in my school who were poor or from less than loving families made me appreciate my blessings and made me realize that not everyone lives like I do.

And religion is something personal to me.  Just as no one can convince me to turn over my RKBA, no one can convince me to turn my back on God.  If your children are taught that, no amount of rhetoric will sway them.

Some of the "socialization" skills learned by my 15 year old daughter;

We're moving to a different area and my daughter is realy complaining about the school.  She doesn't want to be a TC Trojan.  I said the Trojan's were very  proud warriors.

She "What are you talking about?  They're rubbers!"

She never heard of them in any other context in school...including history.

It's fine for school officials to instruct your 15 year old in how to have safe sex but they can't even teach them a little history.

Actually, I'm taking about the socio-political valus clarification BS. You should go to a public school today, and look at the curricula offered. Homosexuality is normalized, hating your country is accepted- pure filth. (Need to take ten second timeout - I'm heatin' up [:(!]  )

Okay, I'm back....




See?? You're buying into the stereotype again.

EVERY SINGLE home school family I've EVER known has been poor to middle class. First off, they are a ONE INCOME situation, as the mother is NOT working, she is at home TEACHING - UNPAID.

Second, they are MOSTLY religious people. People who acknowledge that striving for material wealth in an unbalanced fashion leads to personal sinfullness. In short, they've traded the wealth the world has to offer for the "riches" God has to offer.




If it were JUST rhetoric, that could be contained. But we are talking about spiritual warfare. If you believe in God, you must also acknowledge the existence of an anti-God - aka Satan.

The public school system is ULTIMATELY under his control, as they have banished God from their hallways.

Personally, I would rather feed myself Mac and Cheese and bologna for the rest of my life, than to give Satan and his worldview a SINGLE shot at my (future) children.

Just my opinion...

I [i]love[/i] that you do that.  That is exactly what I am talking about.  What if, instead of completely retreating from the public school system that we are all funding, we launched a massive invasion?  Volunteer!!  Everyone complains about the curriculum and the student/teacher ratios, etc... [i]do something about it!![/i]

I volunteered once a week at a local grade school helping their art teacher.  I loved it.  I still give kids in my neighborhood free riding lessons because I believe you learn through everything you do...  

Whenever I have kids I will make it a priority to be involved with their schooling [i]and their school...[/i]  

I also want to provide a positive role model to other kids... it grates me to know so many parents are absentees in their children's lives.

garandman,

I don't know if we will ever see eye to eye.  ::shrug::  You do bring up some legitimate points and, yes, I do believe evil exists.  But I don't believe in running from it.  I believe in testing myself against it.. in challenging it.  

Reminds me of a story... at a monastery they decided to give up a worldly item as a tribute to their faith.  They decided to give up their morning coffee.  The first day after this was decided they all filed into the dining room for breakfast and found that one of the monks had set out fresh coffee.  They all looked at each other in confusion and said, "But we agreed to give up our morning coffee..."  The one monk quietly said that it was not truly a sacrifice unless you were faced with the choice and continued to abstain.  So every morning there was freshly brewed coffee.. and every morning, it would sit, untouched.

Isn't it the dream of socialists to have men like women and women like women? There just trying to make the U.S. like France.... It's not as bad as you think..[;)]

Dodgeball is just like life. Sometimes, everyone is out to get you. Sometimes you join the crowd and it's time to nail some poor bastard. You learn to be sneaky, watch your back , and hit the class dick in the nose with an " accidental " shot to the nose.
  Luckily, the public schools here where I live are great. My daughter still plays dodgebal and capture the rubber chicken.

Okay - I gotta do my monastery joke (BTW I am NOT Catholic)

A man named John joined a moastery where there vow of service which limited them to only saying two words per year.

At the end the first year the head monk called John in for his two words.

"Hard bed" John said, and went back to his vow of silence.

A year later, the head monk called him in for his next two words.

"Cold showers" John said.

At the third year, same thing. "Lousy food" John said.

A few weeks later, John came into the head monks office, calmly explaining that he would be leaving the monastery.

"i'm not surprised" said the head monk. "You've done nothing but complain since you got here."

[:D]

The "social interaction" kids get from their classmates is usually poisionous.

Ever met a kid who has been home-schooled?  They are usually more confident and socially competent than public-schooled kids.

I'm crying inside.  Someone hold me.

Has anyone heard of the European (suprise!) movement to ban urinals?  Very sick, indeed.  The male ability to stand up and urinate is offensive to women.  

BTW, has anyone read Bill Gates' "Wise words from Bill Gates"?  He states some very good points about public schools, and how they are ruining our children.  He almost sounds conservative.

Since age three.  



I teach 12-13 year-old SS.  Of the ten kids in my class, 5 are homeschooled.  All five are involved in activities outside home: sports, church youth group, etc.  Also, social interaction skills don't mean much if a child doesn't survive HS.



My wife rotates on and off as the PTA president at our school.  She volunteers in the classroom.  I do fund raisers and chaparone field trips.  We have more parents at our PTA meetings than the two local elementary schools combined (~125 students in our school).  

The public school mission seems to be satisfying state standards to keep tax dollars rolling in.  Teachers teach tests, not the three 'Rs'.

Eddie

You obviously never met my parents. [%|]

Hell, I know a lot of kids who grew up with really messed up parents. About a third of them managed to get on the right track...sometimes it took a teacher or a cop to intervene...sometimes they decided they were just plain embarrassed by their parents and moved on.

Then again I'm one of those "it takes a village" people, so my word doesn't exactly mean much [;)]

Garandman,

You would have blown a fuse listening to National Public Radio yesterday.  They were interviewing a DC city councilman about his plan to institute MANDATORY schooling for THREE year olds!  His "reasoning" was that too many kids aren't prepared when they get to kindergarten.  (I kid you not.)  

As I understand it, for the most part the schools do not want parents to be involved in any way, shape, or form other than to help raise money. My experience is that teachers become highly resentful if you try to get involved.

If you must send your child to public schools, your best bet is to start their education at home and continue to take an active part in their education by going over their homework and assignments, offering your opinion as to the validity of the curriculum. I would tell my child the truth as I understand it but urge him to keep his mouth shut at school. Otherwise he could easily become the target of their biased and fallacious system.

I was told by a kid I know that in his gym class this girl was playing soft ball and the ball hit the bat and rolled off of it and hit her on top of her head and she began to cry.  This girl was in 9th grade!  They were playing soft ball and the gym teacher pitches slowly underhand!  People are slowly turning into little bitches!  Her mother called the school to complain about the gym teacher and his lack of compassion for the girl.

I live in AZ and have a child on the way (still baking) and we have the 49th best school system in America!  I have no choice but to home school.  

The problem with our public schools is that they are underfunded.  That is why I asked my wife to help geet a new tax passed to help fund our schools, because our children are our greatest resoure. [+]:D]

Edited to remove evidence.

I believe our's is 50th, so we have you beat. :)