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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:45:58 AM EDT
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So what.
sgb |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:46:20 AM EDT
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Oh man! I just had lunch. Think I'm gonna be sick.
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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:50:47 AM EDT
[#3]
Please come join us in New York on July 9th. It will be fun for the whole family[BD][heavy]
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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:54:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: So what. sgb So, I think it says that U.S. soldiers in the U.N. forces take an oath to obey U.N. commands and NOT U.S.law. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:55:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Please come join us in New York on July 9th. It will be fun for the whole family[BD][heavy] Is there something organized for the 9th? |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:58:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By operator error: Quoted: So what. sgb So, I think it says that U.S. soldiers in the U.N. forces take an oath to obey U.N. commands and NOT U.S.law. I don't think privates get to be UN commanders. sgb |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:58:50 AM EDT
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July 9th is the UN Gun Rights Conference. They are affirming the individual global citizen's right to own firearms for self defence.
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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:59:31 AM EDT
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[B]"...with the interest of the United Nations only in view,..."[/B] -Commanding officers oath for UN deployments What happens when a new oath conflicts with a previous one? No mention of "lawful orders". That oath, and what it represents to individuals and individual nations is alarming in and of itself. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 11:59:32 AM EDT
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pornography?
imbrog|io, you have sunk to a new low...think of the children! |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 12:01:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By operator error: Quoted: Please come join us in New York on July 9th. It will be fun for the whole family[BD][heavy] Is there something organized for the 9th? july 9th, being a monday, is no good for a protest! the TRT along with patriots from all around will be here in NYC on july 14th. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 12:05:08 PM EDT
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Kinda dampens the spririt of the big UN suckfest that went on here a few weeks ago, don't it?
D. www.azexarms.com |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 12:12:19 PM EDT
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You will be assimilated.
Despite what the UN says, they only want to love you. Can't you see, scaredy cats? Xenophobes. There is no place for dissent. We are Borg. We will be one. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 12:13:04 PM EDT
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That dang thing still looks like a bullseye to me.
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Posted: 6/19/2001 12:23:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Originally Posted By operator error: Quoted: So what. sgb So, I think it says that U.S. soldiers in the U.N. forces take an oath to obey U.N. commands and NOT U.S.law. I don't think privates get to be UN commanders. sgb And I don't think privates are inclined to disobey their commanders orders. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 12:29:20 PM EDT
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Hey - look at the pic above.
Is it JUST ME, or does North America look INTENTIONALLY diminished in size, with Australia being bigger??? Do I need a tin foil hat???? |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 12:57:53 PM EDT
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Nice patch, never thought of the ten ring as the north pole...till just now.
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Posted: 6/19/2001 1:11:46 PM EDT
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NO-AR-:(
Senior Member WI, US 289 Posts Posted - 06/19/2001 : 12:16:11 " Whether or not he has a UN patch on he is a US soldier. If for some reason the UN decided to do something involving US troops contrary to US interests, I believe that POTUS would be saying, stop. If POTUS didn't the chain of command at that unit would stop the anti-US orders." Ditto sgb |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 1:29:08 PM EDT
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[B]"Although states are sovereign, they are not free individually to do whatever they want."
"...sensitivity over the relationship between international responsibility and national sovereignty [is a] considerable obstacle to the leadership at the international level..." "It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation-states, however powerful. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the imperatives of global environmental cooperation."[/B] -Maurice Strong Member of the UN Commission on Global Governance You people need to get with the 21st century and accept the global neighborhood. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 1:30:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't think privates get to be UN commanders. No, but privates serve under the commanders. How can the private uphold his oath serving under a commander that is upholding a different oath? |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 1:34:36 PM EDT
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Maybe we just need more tin-foil?[;)]
sgb |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 1:36:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Originally Posted By operator error: Quoted: Please come join us in New York on July 9th. It will be fun for the whole family[BD][heavy] Is there something organized for the 9th? july 9th, being a monday, is no good for a protest! the TRT along with patriots from all around will be here in NYC on july 14th. Yes, but why wait the extra couple of days when the hardcore action is more likely to happen at the signing on the 9th.<<<--- if I didn't get my dates mixed up? |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 1:38:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By operator error: Quoted: Please come join us in New York on July 9th. It will be fun for the whole family[BD][heavy] Is there something organized for the 9th? Yes the UN is making a real world wide push against OUR (U.S) 2nd admendment. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 2:04:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Maybe we just need more tin-foil?[;)] sgb Just because you wear titanium blinders don't accuse others of wearing tin-foil! |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 2:38:54 PM EDT
[#24]
NYshooter,
Yes, but why wait the extra couple of days when the hardcore action is more likely to happen at the signing on the 9th.<<<--- if I didn't get my dates mixed up? good point! i was under the impression that the meeting began on the 9th, and ended on the 16th IIRC...but wait! if they sign on the 9th, why have the rest of the meeting at all??? do me a favor and keep me posted on what you find out, i'll make a few calls and get back to you too. the TRT is planning on the 14th, but i'll re-check that. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 3:10:36 PM EDT
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It funny all the former and active duty military say there is no such thing as the above mentioned. But all the tin foil hat wearing, new world order fearing, gun shop commandos say there is. Kind of makes you think doesn't it.
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Posted: 6/19/2001 3:19:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Maybe we just need more tin-foil?[;)] sgb Just because you wear titanium blinders don't accuse others of wearing tin-foil! I don't wear blinders, I just don't believe that you take yourself so seriously.[>Q] I don't believe in the UN and don't think we belong. However just because a few small individuals from some pint size countries want to speak about thier dream of a world government doesn't cause me to loose the common sense that my good mother raised me with. The worlds not ending. The black choppers are not coming. And the UN is not going to invade the most powerful Nation this planet has ever seen. Been nice talking with ya. sgb [0:)] |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 6:57:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: It funny all the former and active duty military say there is no such thing as the above mentioned. But all the tin foil hat wearing, new world order fearing, gun shop commandos say there is. Kind of makes you think doesn't it. Most of your active duty military are ignorant of these issues. How do I know? I was active duty and had no idea about all this stuff. Hell, I never even read the Constitution until after I got out. |
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Posted: 6/19/2001 7:02:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't believe in the UN and don't think we belong. Why do you think we don't belong? I know what you mean by not believing in the UN, but just to be sarcastic; The UN exist whether you believe in it or not. |
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Posted: 6/20/2001 2:06:52 AM EDT
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Yah, but the point is that most of the things some claim are happening are not they are just either just paranoid, or have a political/finacial agenda.
I know just about ever post that someone has made about what the Marine Corps is doing in regard to the UN or the "NWO" is just BS. |
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Posted: 6/20/2001 4:03:43 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: Quoted: It funny all the former and active duty military say there is no such thing as the above mentioned. But all the tin foil hat wearing, new world order fearing, gun shop commandos say there is. Kind of makes you think doesn't it. Most of your active duty military are ignorant of these issues. How do I know? I was active duty and had no idea about all this stuff. Hell, I never even read the Constitution until after I got out. ...let me get this straight. You weren't aware of any oaths that you took, swearing allegience to the UN, until AFTER you got out of the military? The Constitution was required reading for Marines. |
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Posted: 6/20/2001 4:10:15 AM EDT
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I have got to agree with Maj Murphy. I was a Lt at TBS I was issued a copy of the constitution and several books concerning the constitution. In the FMF, I have had to give numerous PME to my Marines concerning the constitution, legal and lawful order etc. I don't know if it is it done in the other services, but I know it is not unusual in the Marines.
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Posted: 6/20/2001 4:27:37 AM EDT
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If i remember correctly, the 9th was identified as the day that the UN recognized as a kind of "World Disarmament Day" and they were supposed to destroy some small arms as a symbol.
It was further proposed, on this forum, that we shooters take this day as our own, and call it "Buy a Gun Day", in protest. Works for me. |
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Posted: 6/20/2001 7:10:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Major Murphy: ...let me get this straight. You weren't aware of any oaths that you took, swearing allegience to the UN, until AFTER you got out of the military? The Constitution was required reading for Marines. I guess the Ai Force is different. I posted awhile back about my future brother-in-law that is a Marine that said he would go door to door and confiscate firearms from American citizens if he was ordered to do so. Although I misquoted the question that I was refering to in the questionaire given to Marines at Twenty-Nine Palms, the fact that answered like that tells me he has no idea of what it means to defend the Constitution. Perhaps he's the exception. I also know several military people that think they should be used in the War on Drugs. I'm almost certain that this goes against Posse Comitatus. When I was in the Air Force, I had several discussions about having the military used for law enforcement, which I thought was a good idea at the time. It wasn't until after I got out and actually started to read about these things that I realized how wrong I was. |
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Posted: 6/20/2001 10:59:49 AM EDT
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The military can be used to provide assistance, normally logistics, equipment and observation only, to civilian authority if the civilians have said it is a drug case. That was the excuse used use in Waco.
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Posted: 6/20/2001 11:48:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hey - look at the pic above. Is it JUST ME, or does North America look INTENTIONALLY diminished in size, with Australia being bigger??? Do I need a tin foil hat???? No you just lack perspective!! You must think in 3 dimensions...just imagine that each ring is further away as you get closer to the centre...This places South america Australia and Africa closer to you whild Europe and North America ( including Canada) are futher away...Imagine that you are looking down a long pipe and the world is draining into it.....?????? Wait just a sec!! The world is going to the sewer!!! So this is an accurate picture of reality!!! |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 12:33:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: Fellow global citizens salute you! [img]www.flagplace.com/images/national/UnitedNations.gif[/img] [B]"I solemnly affirm to exercise in all loyalty, discretion and conscience the functions entrusted to me as a member of the international service of the United Nations, to discharge those functions and regulate my conduct with the interest of the United Nations only in view, and not to seek or accept instructions in respect to the performance of my duties from any government or other authority external to the organization."[/B] -Commanding officers oath for UN deployments And a hearty U.N. salute!!! [-!-][-!-!-][-!-!-][-!-!-][-!-] |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 12:47:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: [B]"Although states are sovereign, they are not free individually to do whatever they want." If that means they can't nerve gas ethnic minorities, invade other countries in an effort to kill everyone in that country, or systematically rape females of a different religious group, that might be good. If that means the US can't set and enforce it's own laws within it's own borders, that recognize the inalienable rights of the people, that is just wrong "...sensitivity over the relationship between international responsibility and national sovereignty [is a] considerable obstacle to the leadership at the international level..." Good, it should be. Sovereignty and national goals are not to be ignored. "It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation-states, however powerful. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the imperatives of global environmental cooperation."[/B] -Maurice Strong Member of the UN Commission on Global Governance You people need to get with the 21st century and accept the global neighborhood. Neighborhood fine, just so long as they don't try to move us into 1 building, I don't think we'd like the landlord. Imbro, where did you get that Oath? |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 1:03:55 AM EDT
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I think, that some of you guys should move the computer into a room that has windows, so you can see at least a little bit of the world.
That you should be cynical of all "news" whether it is from the "liberal mainstream" press, the militia movement, or the Weekly World News. You seem to dissmiss the mainstream media as dufus's when they report on RKBA, or the UN. But you accept what they say instantly about police officer's actions. And when you blindly accept pictures National Guard equipment with "^" markings as a UN invasion force, when they are just back from Europe waiting to get repainted by the US troops that operate them.... Apply cynicism equally. The US Goverment, and by that I mean all levels, city, state, county etc, are more of a threat to your 2nd Amendment Rights than any other group. Do you all vote?? If you don't your helping others decide who gets to placed into policy making positions. Ask RKBA people if PRK is a nice place to live in. Non-voters only have themselves to blame. I live in a city where it is illegal to sell handguns. I don't like that at all, but I vote to keep a further erosion of my right from occurring. The UN had nothing to do with it. |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 1:10:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Major Murphy: The Constitution was required reading for Marines. It wasn't for me. I wish it were though. I too didn't read it until much later. ..... A Joke:.... One day three generals got together. One from the Air Force, one from the Army and one from the Marine Corps. They were each bragging about their men. At some point they decided to test them. They all got together around a drained swimming pool. The Air Force general looked at an airman and said.... "climb up that high dive ladder". The airman did. "Walk out onto the diving board." The airman did. and to test that airmans loyalty the general said "now JUMP!!"... The airman jumped from the highdive into the drained pool a landed with a most dissagreeable "thud" at the bottom. The Army General said, "no problem, watch this"... and ordered the same of his E-1. The private did as he was told for honor and country. He too landed with a "thud" at the bottom of the drained pool. Then the Marine general ordered his private up the ladder. The private did it. The general ordered him to the edge of the high dive diving board. The private did it. The Marine General ordered... "JUMP!!!" To to the surprise of the other generals the private just stood there. The Marine General said "I said JUMP PRIVATE!!!" The Marine Private looked at the general....gave him the finger and said "F&ck You!! The moral of the story..... Well there are many. I'll let you decide. |
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Posted: 6/21/2001 2:01:41 AM EDT
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