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Posted: 1/12/2005 7:53:13 AM EDT
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My personal opinion is that the Iraqi Army and Saddam's henchmen were the real weapons of terror in Iraq, and until the insurgency is quelled, will continue to be.
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should have quit looking a year ago. hard to search & find something that wasn't there.
wag the dog............................. Chris |
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Start checking Syria, Belgium, Iran, Germany, and maybe Russia. Eye France as well.
Lots of nations have dirty hands in this one. |
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Were not the Iraqi Army and Saddam defeated in the invasion ? so why are foreign forces still there ? |
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the search was going fine before we jumped the gun. anyway, at least the WMD (doom doom doom, soon soon soon) has been shown for what it was. using our fears against us to get what the admin wanted reguardless or truth or actual evidence. you break it, you own it.<< I believe was powells quote. what else have we been told that isn't actually true? Chris |
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Insurgency is an internal matter, if anarchists/ insurgents started attacking target in the U.S. should China's armed forces come in and put down the insurgency ? |
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never forget to look at home too Macman. whos companies do you think are in the redacted parts of the oil for food scandle or the "no bid" contracts. the good ole US of A. we used to be "the good guys" not sure what to concider us now . Chris |
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Really? I'm sure the UN weapons inspectors who were repeatedly delayed and stymied at every facility they tried to enter would be very interested to learn that.
[quote\what else have we been told that isn't actually true? Elvis lives. JFK was waxed by Joe DiMaggio. live among us. Whatever you want to believe, Chris. |
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Does anyone---- besides him give a shit about what he says-------- |
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You just changed the target as it were. I was talking about WMDs- some of which have cropped up (the machinery for which, anyway) in Belgium. The Oil for Food thing... I don't know much about the US's role in that. My understanding is that the UN's role was huge, and some people got very rich off of it. If they were companies from the US, don't you think everybody would be screaming "Treason" by now? jim |
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LMAO, we have a coalition of the willing (paid in full out of our pockets for support) we're here to find the WMDs, no it's liberation , wait now it's, etc etcetc etc ad nausium. my my what short memory. for the record, since GB started his WMD in Iraq scare tactics I've said . they'll find nothing and this is wagging the dog to push for profits without questions from "we the people". WW lo and behold.nothing was found and lots of the "friends" of the pres get $$billions$$ hurray! what did we the people get? oh yeah, just then bills to pay off on our kids backs. can we get Bush on the stand under oath and see how he fairs? I sure would like to see it. be one of the first times we might actually get "the truth" out of him, not "the truth" wink wink nudge nudge. Chris |
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hard to do when it's protected by the fed and redacted to keep it hidden.(why would they do that? who are they protecting?) it'll come out I'm sure, of course it'll be many years from now when the heat dies down and most are dead or pardoned by someone. Chris |
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Virginia, Why did all of Saddam's units have gas masks and protective suits? Were they afraid of our soldiers aftershave? Why did we find large cache's of suits, and components of binary chemical weapons? Why was one area full of drums of radioactive material? What about the mobile biological weapon lab we uncovered? What about the satellite photos of convoys of Russian trucks leaving weapons facilities headed for Syria, shortly before the invasion? |
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Now we just need cyanide and cinncinatus here and we can have our normal Bush/anti-Bush discussion... |
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Chris, just a note... Don't let the media's "there aren't any there now so there never were any" remarks color your thinking.
They had at VERY LEAST, the machines necessary to make WMDs and were actively seeking a nuclear program (or at least a nuke). This is documented yet strangely ignored. Some (like the machines) he even had up to and after the invasion in 03... But the media has chosen to selectively report that "Saddam never had WMDs" when in truth, Saddam had the machinery (at least) to make WMDs, and they were trucked out before the war. Much of America has bought it hook, line and sinker. BTW if the stuff is so heavily redacted how do you know it was US companies that are under the ink? I have a sneaking suspicion that the US has gone out of its way to prevent a lot of damning evidence against countries we try to refer to as "Friendly" that helped Iraq with weapons and such. It is a hunch but with real evidence that France, Russia and Germany all had advisors and products in Iraq helping Saddam out... Well that would put a kink in international relations, now wouldn't it? |
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Let us know when you do. |
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Yes.
So, Iraq was the ONLY dictatorship in the region who was NOT pursuing Nuclear and Chemical weapons programs. Saddam would never do such a thing. Never did it in the past. |
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running low on wattage? txl |
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My opinion on it has nothing to do with the media. been saying it since Bush first mentioned Iraqs WMDs and started pushing the doom doom doom soon soon soon., I called BS then and at this point it's been shown to be exactly that. as to the redacted portions, we won't know. they refuse to release it and I can see why. so IYO we're protecting those from being named we bought off( our friends, some friends huh?), but those we couldn't buy off get front page coverage? pretty fucked up IMHO either they're guilty or not, funny how it is picked over to only name those we have a problem with at this moment (them fukin french, the damn germans,etc) not a full list of all the guilty parties. Why not?what do they have to hide if the war was on the up and up? that coalition of the willing gets thinner and thinner by the moment. more like protection of those who accepted our payoffs. Chris |
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That just isnt going to happen IMHO. The Iraqi people are like most other Muslims. Lazy and silent when it comes to trouble. The insurgency will NEVER go away as long as the Iraqi people keep acting like the French. The Left wing braindead libs like a few we have here are some big reasons there is no progress. |
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About time they stopped this wild goose chase……
All the gear went to Syria before the invasion. ANdy |
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You Left Wing whack jobs are something else. You forget most of the Dimocrats idiots that you love so well are instigators in this as well. All or most of them agreed Saddam had WMD. They cried like chicken little to W about it and he took action. Almost looks like a making for a Left wing conspiracy. "Heh, lets freak out W into thinking there are WMD and their use is immentn. Lets vote for him to use force and then the moment he does. We back pedal in good old Democrat fashion to the brainless will eat it up and use it against him" |
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They were there, and everybody agrees they were there (even Clinton and the UN). The question is simply, "where are they now?" |
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I don't follow. As Bush was doing what you call "Doom doom doom soon soon soon", the Iraqis were busily packing up their WMD machines (note I am not talking the WMDs themselves. I believe they had them but I have no proof of it) and sending them off to Syria, or who-knows-where. There is no disconnect there. CNN even reported it!!! I guess there is a disconnect if you do in fact buy in to the general media perception (and esp. liberal perception) that since we went in and haven't found anything that Iraq was ALWAYS WMD free- which is a very unfortunate trap to fall into. It's like going into an empty house and saying "There was never furniture here" just because there isn't any when you walk in to it. The rest, meh. I don't have the time today to get into reasons for the war any further and the oil thing. I admit I don't have my facts in order on that one because my understanding of it is that the UN was mostly involved with it. Proving my disdain for the UN. |
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seems you give he left quite a bit of credit unlike most right wing fanatical mulahs you coagulate with. do you honestly believe the dems that smart? were I one of these follow the party line no matter what types such as yourself, I may actually be convinced. problem is, I'm not. I don't believe a word either of them say. Chris chris |
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just remember the same kind of thieves and liars they have in the UN , are working in the nations capital for the president. they're no different |
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Well I agree that for an independent I agree with much of the Repubs policies. What gets me is that those who are against some of the policies or actions of The Repubs of W himself forget that they are describing problems not unique to them. Its always Bush fault or its the evil Republican party fault. Seems to be a common thing. |
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So you knew all along that Saddam had no weapons. Even when the democrats, the UN, the intel services of dozens of nations thought there were... ...you knew that they did not. Even in 1998, when Clinton, Kerry, etc. ALL were convinced that Saddam had these weapons... ...you knew that he did not. Pardon me, but I don't believe you. I don't think that you held such an opinion at that time. I think that you are simply saying so NOW, to make yourself feel smart. |
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My knowing was my opinion from day one Cin, believe it or not, doesn't really matter to me. you think I really care about impressing anyone or jumping on the coattails/bandwagon? you'd be 100% wrong. Chris |
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OK we'll do the semantic thing. 1: There IS proof the WMD stuff was moved- again the media reported it but then didn't "pump" it. Some of the machinery went to Belgium. There IS proof of this. 2: I recall Bush saying something along those lines... Of course he wasn't reporting specifics. He might have meant "we know they're in Iraq"- then, of course, when they got moved out... they weren't there. 3: If you went into a house that had obviously been lived in, saw the outlines on the carpet from where the couch was and the pictures on the wall were, and THEN said "There was never furniture here" like you and the liberals are doing... There's a problem with that. The stuff was there. The machinery was there. I personally believe that Saddam had WMDs but moved them out (hmm, if the oil-for-food thing went on, do you think that he might have received a little counseling from the UN? They're corrupt enough to do it. Again, speculation on my part) to alter public perceptions of him. Here's the deal V22: Even if Saddam didn't have any WMDs - which I am convinced that he did- Iraq wasn't all roses and chocolates and kittens and puppies before we went in there. Saddam was the Butcher of Baghdad. Rape camps and all that. Never forget that. 4: The US doesn't have the market cornered on crooks, I freely admit that. However, for you to just assume that the redacted portions are all US companies??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? |
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In 1998, what did you base this opinion on? Were you a member of a super-secret international intelligence gathering team? Did your super-sources have proof that the WMD destroyed by Clinton during the 1998 raids did not actually exist? Was/is Clinton lying about his BDA of having destroyed WMD? The logical conclusion is therefore this: For your contention to be true, we must assume that during the 1990's, the UN inspectors destroyed ALL, yes ALL of the WMD that Saddam had (the DID find alot, and destroy alot). You have to believe then, that they FOUND and DESTROYED it ALL. You have to believe that when they left in 1998, they had found it all. Even though they thought there was more. |
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Two words. Scott Ritter |
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Isn't Scott Ritter the man who said in 1998, when leaving Iraq, that Saddam still had WMD?
Didn't he take money from Saddam, to make a documentary saying that Saddam had no weapons? |
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I told you guys Need some more thinkers and less followers around here ! |
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Ya bastard stealing company time |
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for some, it's easier to just go limp. Chris |
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Where were you in 2003? Here's a huge list of sources that tell of his documentary: www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22scott+ritter%22+documentary+iraqi+funded&btnG=Search Didn't your super-secret intel group know of this? I thought they knew ALL about Iraq |
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show where I claimed to know ALL about Iraq? I'll wait. last I heard of scott ritter he was fighting charges of nailing kids , didn't hear about him after that. gleaning through your links none of them seem very reputible. one even claims "fair and balanced accuracy in reporting" as does fox, but it isn't so either. I'll look around some more later on and get a real impression, but first look it doesn't look good. Chris |
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There he is... I knew if there was a topic that was remotely anti-Bush, cyanide would show up eventually... |
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Where is the ETH ----- I still hear his words ringing in my ears --
"just wait fellows , they will find them" |
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