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Posted: 1/10/2005 5:33:29 AM EDT

Political suicide that is.

I watched his California State of the state address last night. He want's to take on everyone. He basically told all of the career politicians (meaning all of them) that he was going to make sure they lose their jobs in the next election, by hiring a bunch of judges to redistrict the voting districts. He's taking on the corrections system, the teachers union, the budgetary system, firing 1000 appointed officals, so on and so on. He also said, if he doesn't get his way, he'll take it to the voters and screw the legislature.

While I am still pissed that he banned 50 cal's, he has a lot of good points here. But he just killed any political career that he might have wanted. So I doubt you'll see him as president. Californian's here, you'll only have to worry about the BS he passed in this first and only term.

Governor Schwarzenegger's State of the State Address 01/05/2005
Wednesday, 01/05/2005 05:00 pm

Thank you, Lieutenant Governor Bustamante, President Pro Tem Perata, Speaker Nuñez, Senate Republican Leader Ackerman, Assembly Republican Leader McCarthy, my fellow representatives of the people. Once again I am honored to stand in this chamber.

Right off I want to say, Maria, thank you for all you've done for me, for our family and for California over this past year. All of us in elective office know the sacrifices our families must make, and so I also want to acknowledge the sacrifices and contributions of your families. I want you and them to know that our state is grateful.

My friends, I look forward to working with you on the people's business. We have a lot to do, and I believe we can do it.

In these State of the State speeches, governors often begin by listing their accomplishments of the past year. I will do the same.

The year before I took office as governor, California had 300 days of sunshine. Last year, under my administration, we had 312 days of sunshine. That's what true leadership is all about.

In all seriousness, this last year we faced some dark days. The shadow of 22 billion dollars in inherited debt loomed over us. The great state of California, the sixth largest economy in the world, the symbol of the American dream, faced economic ruin.

The most important thing we did last year--we grabbed California by the collar just before it slipped into a financial black hole. We slowed the growth in spending, renegotiated contracts, secured more than a billion dollars in new federal financial support. We should feel good about what we accomplished together.

Yet the greatest rescuers of the state are not those of us in this room, but the people of California. They are the ones who passed Prop 57, which issued the bonds to prevent the state's collapse. They are the ones who passed Prop 58, which prevents the state from borrowing money to cover future deficits. I want to thank my fellow Californians for their confidence that together we can turn this government and its finances around.

The people saved the state from bankruptcy, but they were very clear about one thing. They said, "We will do this once to clean up the past, but do not let it happen again."

Last year we stopped the bleeding. This year we must heal the patient.

To continue California's recovery, this year we must do two things.

To solve the budget's continuing structural deficit, we must reform the way the government spends its money. And to restore the trust of the people, we must reform the way the government operates.

My friends, this is a time for choosing.

Will California have a government that encourages the dreams of the people?

Or will the decline of recent years accelerate and further destroy the people's faith in their government? We must not let that happen.

I get up every morning wanting to fix things here in Sacramento. I ask you today: Help me fix them.

Last year, we worked together to avert a crisis. This year we must address its causes.

Tomorrow, I will convene a special session to address the financial, educational and governmental reforms that civic responsibility demands.

In this special session, I ask you to work with me on four reforms.

The first relates to the financial situation that we face.

I'm going to tell you something that you know in your hearts to be true.

In every meeting I attend in Sacramento, there's an elephant in the room. In public, we often act like it's not there. But, in private, you come up to me--Republican and Democrat alike--and you tell me the same thing, "Arnold, if only we could change the budget system. But the politics are just too dangerous."

The elephant in the room is a budget system that has removed our ability to make the best decisions for California. It has taken away the freedom and the responsibility of legislating. We can change that.

My colleagues, I say to you, political courage is not political suicide. Ignore the lobbyists. Ignore the politics. Trust the people. (not going to happen)

Last year, we had $78 billion in revenues coming in. The great news is that this year, we have $83 billion coming in, over $5 billion more than last year. Now that is terrific.

However, various budget formulas require us to spend over $10 billion more.

Do the math. Our revenue increases by more than 5 billion but our spending increases by over 10 billion. We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

In fact, the way the formulas now work, we will never catch up. No matter how well we do, the current system is programmed to spend even more.

It is on automatic pilot. It is accountable to no one. Where will it all stop? How will it stop unless we stop it?

The truth is that we cannot fix the budget deficit without first fixing the budget system. The Constitution requires that I submit a budget to you, which I will do in a few days.

Yes, it sounds good, and it would get us through the current year, but I do not like this budget at all. It does not solve our ongoing structural problem, because our deficit the following year will be even worse.

It does not restore the integrity of the budgetary process. It is a painful budget forced upon us by a broken system.

And we all know what's going to happen. The special interests will run TV ads calling me cruel and heartless. They will organize protests out in front of the Capitol. They will try to say I don't understand the consequences of these decisions.

Let me tell you something. I am well aware there are lives behind the numbers. But I have a responsibility for the fiscal health of this state and for the honesty of its finances.

A lot of people say, "Arnold, why don't you just raise taxes and be done with it?" Well, as I said earlier, we don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. We could raise taxes by billions but that would only further drive up spending by billions of dollars.

California would never come out ahead. Our economy would suffer, jobs would be lost and the people would be punished. Unless we go to the root of the problem and reform the system, the budget will continue to be one big fight, year after year after year. I don't mind a fight, but if there is to be one, let it be over new, important things that move us beyond the past.

Therefore, in the special session, I will submit to you legislation that cuts expenditures across the board when they grow above revenues.

We must take back responsibility for the budget. We must have a new approach that overrides the formulas, overrides the special interests and overrides the forces that have turned some of you from legislators into clerks.

Now, related to this, is the second item we must tackle in our reform session.

Like the budget itself, our state pension system is another financial train on another track to disaster.

California's pension obligations have risen from $160 million in 2000 to $2.6 billion this year. Another government program out of control, threatening our state. Accordingly, we must do what business has been doing.

For new employees, we must move from a defined benefit to a defined contribution system. We need a public pension system that is fair to employees and to taxpayers.

Now, the third item relates to the education of our children.

California will spend $50 billion on K through 14 education this year; that's $2.9 billion more than last year. Nearly half the state's budget is dedicated to education.

What do we get for that money? We get many wonderful and dedicated teachers. We get many children who are doing terrific.

But $50 billion, and we still have 30 percent of high school students not graduating. That is a human disaster.

$50 billion and we still have hundreds of schools that are failing. That is an institutional disaster.

$50 billion and the majority of our students cannot even perform at their grade level. That is an educational disaster.

So, where do we start? We start in the classroom. We start with those who hold our children's learning in their hands. We start with the teachers.

Let me say this to every California teacher who is opening the minds of our children and nurturing their lives: I want to reward you for your hard work. I want to reward you for the sacrifices you make. I want to reward you for the learning that you instill.

But I cannot do so under the current system. Help me change it.

We must financially reward good teachers and expel those who are not. The more we reward excellent teachers, the more our teachers will be excellent. The more we tolerate ineffective teachers, the more our teachers will be ineffective. (The teachers union is going to have a field day with him)

So, in the special session, I propose that teacher pay be tied to merit, not tenure. And I propose that teacher employment be tied to performance, not to just showing up.

And I want to say to every Californian who has a child: "Your child deserves a good teacher. An educational system that rewards and protects a bad teacher at the expense of a child is wrong. And I intend to change that system."

My colleagues, this is going to be a big political fight. This is a battle of the special interests versus the children's interests. Which will you choose?

I will also introduce measures to further charter schools, vocational education and fiscal transparency so people know how every educational dollar is spent at their local schools.

Fourth, we must make California's elections democratic once again.

When I was studying to take my citizenship test, I learned about gerrymandering and how politicians changed the boundaries of a voting area to protect themselves. For a long time I thought that was something that happened way back in the 1800's, but the practice is still alive and well today.

Here is a telling statistic: 153 of California's congressional and legislative seats were up in the last election and not one changed parties.

What kind of democracy is that?

I will propose that an independent panel of retired judges--not politicians--determine California's legislative and congressional districts.

They can draw fair, honest district lines that make politicians of both parties accountable to the people.

The current system is rigged to benefit the interests of those in office . . . not the interests of those who put them there. And we must reform it. (Crickets...curp...curp)

On top of the reforms to be addressed in the special session, we must also reform and reorganize the structure of government itself. We need a 21st Century government to match a 21st Century world.

Over the past year, we streamlined the state's purchasing system, consolidating our huge buying power into one entity rather than splitting it among hundreds.

We cut the average wait time at the Department of Motor Vehicles from more than an hour to less than 20 minutes.

We eliminated delays of up to 13 months for the state licensing of nurses, barbers, contractors and many others.

Good management is crucial, but we need even bigger solutions.

A year ago, I told you that I wanted to blow up the boxes. Well, we have lit the fuse. The California Performance Review has done an outstanding job.

285 people have worked for 9 months looking at how to eliminate duplication and increase accountability in government. They received the views of 10,000 Californians. They held public hearings and produced a 2,000-page report.

Thanks to the Performance Review and the leadership of Secretary Rod Hickman, the Youth & Adult Correctional Agency - an agency with a $6 billion budget and 54,000 employees - will be the first agency that we reorganize. Its need is the most urgent.

This is an agency in which there has been too much political influence, too much union control and too little management courage and accountability.

For many months, you could not pick up a newspaper without reading about a youth dying in prison, or codes of silence, or abuses of force. I want to put the corrupt people in our prisons on the same side of the bars. (What did you say Ceasar? As they pull the knfe out of his back)

Tomorrow, I will send to the Little Hoover Commission our plan to reorganize this agency. And I want to say this to the many honest and hard-working people who work in corrections: thank you for your perseverance, and thank you for your hard work. We will free you from the prison of waste and mismanagement in which you have been held.

California was once the national leader, a pioneer, in corrections integrity, innovation and efficiency. We can make it so once again.

More reorganizations of other agencies will follow in the months ahead.

I can also announce that we intend to wipe out nearly 100 unnecessary boards and commissions, abolishing over 1000 political appointments in the process.

No one paid by the state should make $100,000 a year for only meeting twice a month.

I know the special interests will oppose all the reforms I have mentioned. Any time you try to remove one dollar from the budget, there are five special interests tugging on the other end. Anytime you try to make something more efficient, there are a half-dozen special interests trying to prevent it.

The result is that nothing changes in Sacramento. This place is in the grip of the special interests.

The people of California demand reform. That is what the recall election was all about. That is what the ballot process is about. And that is what this special session is about.

A special session will allow us to work together quickly, so that people can vote on our reforms in an election by early summer.

If we here in this chamber don't work together to reform the government, the people will rise up and reform it themselves. And I will join them. And I will fight with them.

With the reforms that I've outlined, we can build upon the progress we've made in just the last year.

Our credit rating is up. Our business climate is improving. We passed workers' compensation reform. We took action to curb frivolous and shakedown lawsuits. We killed other measures that would discourage businesses from creating jobs here.

A record number of Californians now have jobs. Our state outpaced the nation by creating nearly 150,000 jobs in the last year. Our unemployment rate is the lowest since September 11, 2001.

If a politician tries to take credit for job growth, don't believe it. Ladies and gentlemen, I did not create this record number of jobs.

Businesses created them. Small businesses. Large businesses. Women-owned businesses. Minority-owned businesses.

We have such great entrepreneurial drive in this state. All we must do to enjoy its benefits is to let it loose and get out of the way.

And, over the next year, we can continue moving forward, with more employment, more businesses coming back, more revenues coming in.

And we have other good news. We signed agreements with Indian gaming tribes that should provide about a billion dollars for transportation this year. Not only will this improve California's highways, it will also create 16,000 new jobs.

When I first came to California, the roads fascinated me. Californians can't get from place to place on little fairy wings. This is a car-centered state. We need roads.

Like Governor Pat Brown before me, I intend to see that the government builds the roads that Californians need.

We need roads and we need affordable housing. The median price of a home in California is $460,000. That is too much. A home of your own is part of the American Dream. I believe in such dreams, so I will propose legislation that eliminates regulatory and legal hurdles that delay construction and increase the costs of new housing. (There goes the equity of all of your homes!)

I want a California where people spend less time sitting on the freeway and more time in the homes that they own.

I believe we can meet our transportation, our housing and our business needs and still improve the environment.

Last year we made progress on launching the Hydrogen Highway, encouraging green buildings, putting solar in more homes.

We took steps to safeguard California's ocean and coastline. And we also established the 25 million acre Sierra Nevada Conservancy, the largest in the nation.

I love riding my motorcycle along the Pacific Coast Highway - the freedom of the road and the smell of the sea. That is the California spirit.

Closely related to the environment is energy. California has long been the national leader in energy conservation. We must continue that leadership, but we cannot conserve our way out of our long-term energy crunch.

Yes, we need conservation. Yes, we need renewable energy. But California also needs power plants and transmission lines. We need more of them and we need them as soon as possible.

We're already increasing our reserves and encouraging long-term contracts.

And I am pleased to report that we're beginning to see investments that will put steel in the ground and power on the lines.
This is a modern society and a modern society must have abundant and affordable power.

Another thing every state needs is affordable health care for its citizens.

Millions of Californians lack coverage for the prescription drugs they need. Many of these people are the working poor who do not qualify for assistance.

Therefore, I am announcing a prescription drug discount card with minimal costs to the state. We will make prescription drugs available to nearly 5 million low-income Californians, at prices competitive with those from Canada.

We have so many good things in this state. Over the last year I have traveled the world to let people know about those good things.

Do you know why California is so easy to sell? Do you know why we attract the world's attention? Because California invents the future. It's known for its innovation, its creativity, its energy.

We are a forward-looking people, and we must have a forward-looking government.

Help me apply the natural innovation and imagination of our people - to government, to education, to transportation, to the improvement of our society.

That is the job of those of us who serve the people. I welcome and seek your ideas, but do not bring me small ideas; bring me big ideas to match our future. Bring me reforms to equal our problems.

What I propose will demand political sacrifice from all of us, (Like that will happen) but it is nothing compared to the sacrifice of thousands of Californians in uniform. Many have left their blood and their buddies in the sands of a foreign land.

When we ask them to risk their lives for democracy over there, how dare we not take the risk to reform our democracy here!

Our troops should come home to a government as noble as their sacrifice.

Ask yourselves, what do they want from us beside our political courage?

They want jobs so that they can support their families and afford health care and a home of their own. They want good schools where their children are safe. They want an environment that is clean. They want a society that cares for the sick and needy. They want honest and responsive government.

These things are not too much for the people to ask. These things are not too much for government to provide.

But these things will not happen without reform.

My fellow representatives, in closing, I make this appeal to you. Join me in regaining control of California's financial future. Join me in restoring the trust of the people. Join me in introducing a bold, new era of reform in California.

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:34:54 AM EDT

[#1]

[/arnie] I WON'T BE BACK NEXT ELECTION. [/arnie]

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:36:43 AM EDT

[#2]

Arnie, for all his anti-gun faults, is making some serious sense here. He is independently wealthy and doesn't need to work another day in his life. He sees the problems and has an idea of how to fix them.

He also has the ability to use the bully pulpit and to directly appeal to the people.

He can make a lot of this happen.

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:39:41 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Arnie, for all his anti-gun faults, is making some serious sense here. He is independently wealthy and doesn't need to work another day in his life. He sees the problems and has an idea of how to fix them.

He also has the ability to use the bully pulpit and to directly appeal to the people.

He can make a lot of this happen.

Good post. I agree with ever point you made.

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:39:56 AM EDT

[#4]

He's got some major balls. I wish the Republican majority in congress had balls like that, and would learn to act like the majority party. The most egregious lack of testicularity that comes to mind is former majority leader Trent Lott. Dashle would say jump and Lott would ask "How high?"

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:41:11 AM EDT

[#5]

Arnold has always been an asshole.

He is a good actor though.

Ca. deserves him...

America doesn't.

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:41:18 AM EDT

[#6]

I hope he makes it happen, damn politicians are in it for their own ends and very few are doing what their constituents elected them to do, but it seems unlikely enough.

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:41:40 AM EDT

[#7]

he's got stones that's for sure which is not very common among politicos...

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:47:44 AM EDT

[#8]

He makes sense. That's going to cost him in the long term.

I doubt anything will happen - there is no way carear politicians will give up pork-barrel projects or their jobs.

Av.

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:50:28 AM EDT

[#9]

No matter what Arnie won't be President. Well unless they amend the Constitution. He is not a Natural Born Citizen. Austrian I believe..?

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:51:31 AM EDT

[#10]

it is good to see someone in cali screwing with the establishment, maybee some will lose their jobs, and be replaced by more rkba friendly people

you are terminated

Posted: 1/10/2005 5:52:45 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
No matter what Arnie won't be President. Well unless they amend the Constitution. He is not a Natural Born Citizen. Austrian I believe..?

Yes, and if I am not mistaken, his father was a card carrying NAZI.

I just figured it out. The reason Arnold and Uncle Ted get along so well is...Arnold's dad was a NAZI and Teddy's father was a had known anti-semitism and NAZI sympathy. Conspieracy theory? You decide...

Posted: 1/10/2005 6:10:02 AM EDT

[#12]

He is just another anti-gun Republican, which is ten times worse than any Democrat. I would not cut any Republican slack, after being anti-gun. He supports the assault weapons ban, and now has banned the 50. I agree with another poster, California deserves him. Personally, I would never vote for him for Pres, and I wish the Republican party would out those ten politicians who who voted to extend the assault weapons ban, including Warner and Luger.

At a time when gunowners overwhelmingly vote Republican, any Republican who sells us out on the 2nd amendment should be handed their political career and kicked out. The sellouts are what has gotten us here in the first place, and we have had to work hard to work around them.

It's nuts to cut Arnold any slack. And NO, I will not support changing the constitution to get him elected President. The Republican party can discover Ron Paul and help get him elected President. That would be a move in the right direction!!!!

Posted: 1/10/2005 6:11:33 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Arnold has always been an asshole.

He is a good actor though.

Ca. deserves him...

America doesn't.

I feel better now. Once again, I disagree with every single point you make.

(Arnie is a good actor? What have you been smoking?)

That was the most ballsy "State of the State" speech I've ever read. Only disagreement I have with him is placing the blame for bad education squarely on the teachers.

He left out the multiple layers of ridiculously expensive administrative bureacracy that smothers the abilities of the teachers to teach.

Other than that, it was bang-on.

I can't imagnine him winning another term, though. He's angered pretty much every power-hungry special interest going. I wouldn't be surprised if he was shortly assassinated by some Twinkie-addled recently fired mid-level government bureacrat.

Posted: 1/10/2005 6:15:10 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Arnie, for all his anti-gun faults, is making some serious sense here. He is independently wealthy and doesn't need to work another day in his life. He sees the problems and has an idea of how to fix them.

He also has the ability to use the bully pulpit and to directly appeal to the people.

He can make a lot of this happen.

I agree 100%, and aside from Arnolds gun stance I think he would make a FINE President. He's really suprised me with how well he's doing and how sensible he is. I can applaud him, even if we dont see eye to eye on all issues (guns).

Posted: 1/10/2005 6:17:58 AM EDT

[#15]

At least maybe he'll be in office long enough to shake things up in Cali. If the people like him, he may not be creating suicide at all. In fact, the others who go against him may be the ones committing suicide if Arnold is really popular out there.

At least he's pissing in the democrat's coffee out there. LOL. Plus, he's rather entertaining when doing so.

Posted: 1/10/2005 6:19:47 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
He's got some major balls. I wish the Republican majority in congress had balls like that, and would learn to act like the majority party. The most egregious lack of testicularity that comes to mind is former majority leader Trent Lott. Dashle would say jump and Lott would ask "How high?"

Yours and John Wayne's posts I think are very good.
Although Arnold is no friend of the Second Amendment, I do think his speech was a courageous and accurate one and I hope he is successful.

In essence, he had the courage to say that the emporer has no clothes.

Posted: 1/10/2005 7:14:42 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Arnie, for all his anti-gun faults, is making some serious sense here. He is independently wealthy and doesn't need to work another day in his life. He sees the problems and has an idea of how to fix them.

He also has the ability to use the bully pulpit and to directly appeal to the people.

He can make a lot of this happen.

Good post. I agree with ever point you made.

And he has the guts of Teddy Roosevelt. TALK SOFTLY (in a Arnie kind of way) AND CARRY A BIG STICK!

Posted: 1/10/2005 7:19:16 AM EDT

[#18]

I wouldn't vote for an Arnie presidential candidate, but as far as governors from modern Kali, he's about as good as you are going to get.

And if his policies work and improve the state, then perhaps it would begin to open the eyes of the electorate and show them that all liberal policies do is make things expensive and bad, to which the response is to raise taxes. Arnie's ideas can work and can demonstrate that at least some level of conservative ideology is great to govern with.

Posted: 1/10/2005 7:21:41 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Arnie, for all his anti-gun faults, is making some serious sense here. He is independently wealthy and doesn't need to work another day in his life. He sees the problems and has an idea of how to fix them.

He also has the ability to use the bully pulpit and to directly appeal to the people.

He can make a lot of this happen.

Good post. I agree with ever point you made.

Add me to the Amen Chorus on this one.

Sounds to me like he's taking the battle right to the career politicians and ramming it down their throats. Good for him!

Another thing: A lot of what he is proposing is basic Conservatism. If it works (and it will, if it gets implemented), then you can't help but wonder how many will take a step back and say, "Wait a minute.... if they were right about THIS, what about the rest?"

Just asking the question is a start, especially in a liberal Mecca like Kali.

Posted: 1/10/2005 7:38:31 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Arnold has always been an asshole.

He is a good actor though.

Ca. deserves him...

America doesn't.

Holy shit, thats the first sane thing i've seen from you.

Posted: 1/10/2005 7:52:55 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Arnie, for all his anti-gun faults, is making some serious sense here. He is independently wealthy and doesn't need to work another day in his life. He sees the problems and has an idea of how to fix them.

He also has the ability to use the bully pulpit and to directly appeal to the people.

He can make a lot of this happen.

I'm glad that Ahnold got elected, otherwise we would still be in the "same-old, same-old" rut in Sacramento

Ahnold is the only person with enough political clout to tell the Dems and the state workers unions to go take a hike. Grey(out) Davis was pretty much beholden to them.

He had 3 anti-gun bills before put out by the Dems without debate from the Republicans, and he signed the one bill that was the least offensive to the gunners, Davis would've signed all of them in a heart beat. The Republicans in the Peoples' Republik of Kali-fornia pretty much tokenism, they have near zero power to stop most of the Dems legislative agenda, and the Repubs in Kalif. are just trying to keep their own jobs.

For the calendar year of 2005, things will get interesting for the Kali-fornia govt, especially for the Dems, because Ahnold has threatened, that if they don't see things HIS way, Ahnold will by-pass them and take his case straight to the people. For me, I hope the Dems are still thinking that things are still going to be business as usual, because they are in for some big time disappointment.

The people of the state of Kali-fornia owes Ahnold a big debt of gratitude and a big THANK YOU. He is doing the us a favor by getting rid of the Dems and their power, the unions. He's cutting them off at the knees. He doesn't need the headaches.

Actually, Ahnold is probably losing money because he is paid, what $20 million per movie, he does 1 movie a year. He will be in Sacramento for 3 years, thats $30 million that he has to forgo, and if goes for another 4 years, that is another $40 million. Total income forgone probably around $70 million. That is some serious bucks.

Posted: 1/10/2005 7:56:07 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Actually, Ahnold is probably losing money because he is paid, what $20 million per movie, he does 1 movie a year. He will be in Sacramento for 3 years, thats $30 million that he has to forgo, and if goes for another 4 years, that is another $40 million. Total income forgone probably around $70 million. That is some serious bucks.

If it's $20MM per movie, try $60MM, $80MM, and $140MM total.....

Zaphod - Arithmetic Nazi!

Posted: 1/10/2005 8:29:34 AM EDT

[#23]

Well written speech. Good, sound points. Ambitous aims.

Not gonna happen.

When you tell the state's politicians, the sneakiest people alive, that you are about to try and re-arrange their backyards and endanger their power base, stand by for a major fight. They will come at him in ways that haven't been invented yet.

I admire his integrity, but I strongly disagree with his anti 2nd amendment stance. That aside, I think he has bitten off much more than he can chew. If he manages to pull this off, it will be a miracle. It will also be the deciding factor on a constitutional amendment that would allow him to run for president. The impression would be that if he could turn around the biggest state economy, then he might be able to turn this country's economy around.

I don't want him as president, but I want Hitlery a lot less.

Posted: 1/10/2005 8:32:21 AM EDT

[#24]

Maybe that's all true, but what's really going to count here is not how the politicians react, but how the PEOPLE react. The fact that someone over there is actually standing up and saying it speaks volumes.

I'll remind everyone that Reagan, who we all love so much, did exactly the same thing with the Congress he had. When they didn't agree, he took it to the people, and THEY pressured the politicians.

We'll see. I give him kudos for having the balls to stand up and say it.

Posted: 1/10/2005 8:36:03 AM EDT

[#25]

[Arnold] Let's just face it - the Democrat's are losers[/Arnold]
He has a way of pissing people off, and that's why I like him. He's brutally honest and says exactly what he's thinking.

Posted: 1/10/2005 8:37:02 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
[Arnold] Let's just face it - the Democrat's are losers[/Arnold]
He has a way of pissing people off, and that's why I like him. He's brutally honest and says exactly what he's thinking.

Yeah, really. Imagine that: A politician who tells you what he actually thinks!

Posted: 1/10/2005 8:38:25 AM EDT

[#27]

rn45: At least he's trying, even though Ahnold is not 2nd Amend friendly, that's more than I can for any other politico, he's got zero ax to grind. Money money is that the Dems had better get out of the way or they will be run over/down. The USA Consitutional amendment won't get done in time for Ahnold. It will take at least 10 years. He will be too old.

Zaphod: Sorry, got the math wrong, I'm doing many things at once.

Posted: 1/10/2005 8:39:36 AM EDT

[#28]

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Arnold has always been an asshole.

He is a good actor though.

Ca. deserves him...

America doesn't.

Here we go..the looney leftist don't like him, he must be good and trustworthy.

Liberals are even getting pounded on the home truf of the Socialist Rep. of Kali...love it.

Posted: 1/10/2005 8:54:19 AM EDT

[#29]

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Zaphod: Sorry, got the math wrong, I'm doing many things at once.

Oh, hey, man! Just bustin' your chops! No foul!

Posted: 1/10/2005 8:56:39 AM EDT

[#30]

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Yes, and if I am not mistaken, his father was a card carrying NAZI.

I just figured it out. The reason Arnold and Uncle Ted get along so well is...Arnold's dad was a NAZI and Teddy's father was a had known anti-semitism and NAZI sympathy. Conspieracy theory? You decide...

Posted: 1/10/2005 9:20:12 AM EDT

[#31]

Lucky for Arnold, the people vote for him, not his coleagues.

Posted: 1/10/2005 9:26:42 AM EDT

[#32]

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Zaphod: Sorry, got the math wrong, I'm doing many things at once.

Oh, hey, man! Just bustin' your chops! No foul!

Thanks, I needed that!

Posted: 1/10/2005 9:27:15 AM EDT

[#33]

I don't agree with everything Arnie says or many of the things he's done so far, but there isn't anything in that address to the legistlature that isn't absolutely correct. The career politicians here has completely screwed this state up and only something drastic is going to fix it.

Posted: 1/10/2005 9:39:51 AM EDT

[#34]

U know whats most f up part is that he owns his owe tank but we cant have a 50 cal. Thats bs

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He is just another anti-gun Republican, which is ten times worse than any Democrat. I would not cut any Republican slack, after being anti-gun. He supports the assault weapons ban, and now has banned the 50. I agree with another poster, California deserves him. Personally, I would never vote for him for Pres, and I wish the Republican party would out those ten politicians who who voted to extend the assault weapons ban, including Warner and Luger.

At a time when gunowners overwhelmingly vote Republican, any Republican who sells us out on the 2nd amendment should be handed their political career and kicked out. The sellouts are what has gotten us here in the first place, and we have had to work hard to work around them.

It's nuts to cut Arnold any slack. And NO, I will not support changing the constitution to get him elected President. The Republican party can discover Ron Paul and help get him elected President. That would be a move in the right direction!!!!

Posted: 1/10/2005 9:41:07 AM EDT

[#35]

I heard his total worth is in 300million range. He also owes starbucks, and bunch of other companies

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Actually, Ahnold is probably losing money because he is paid, what $20 million per movie, he does 1 movie a year. He will be in Sacramento for 3 years, thats $30 million that he has to forgo, and if goes for another 4 years, that is another $40 million. Total income forgone probably around $70 million. That is some serious bucks.

If it's $20MM per movie, try $60MM, $80MM, and $140MM total.....

Zaphod - Arithmetic Nazi!

Posted: 1/10/2005 9:48:29 AM EDT

[#36]

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No matter what Arnie won't be President. Well unless they amend the Constitution. He is not a Natural Born Citizen. Austrian I believe..?

Yes, and if I am not mistaken, his father was a card carrying NAZI.

I just figured it out. The reason Arnold and Uncle Ted get along so well is...Arnold's dad was a NAZI and Teddy's father was a had known anti-semitism and NAZI sympathy. Conspieracy theory? You decide...

ok, I've decided (about you

)

This speech was just more of the same that Arnold has been beating the CA Legislature with since his election. He IS bitchslapping them in every way, and his approval ratings remain the highest of a CA Gov in decades.
I could give a fuck what the Libertarian-minded Righty-McRight thinks of him. He is STILL to the Right of the rerst of CA Govt, and the Liberal fuckheads who have destroyed the State over the last decade. He IS pulling the State Rightward.
And when his terms are up, we can elect a real Conservative.

And the bashers will just keep right on villifying him for NOT being to the Right of Buchanan.

Posted: 1/10/2005 9:56:18 AM EDT

[#37]

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Arnie, for all his anti-gun faults, is making some serious sense here. He is independently wealthy and doesn't need to work another day in his life. He sees the problems and has an idea of how to fix them.

He also has the ability to use the bully pulpit and to directly appeal to the people.

He can make a lot of this happen.

I agree 100%, and aside from Arnolds gun stance I think he would make a FINE President. He's really suprised me with how well he's doing and how sensible he is. I can applaud him, even if we dont see eye to eye on all issues (guns).

+.75 Why cant this guy love guns, dammit. Guns are the reason he is rich- people who love things that go 'bang' are is biggest fans and he was right in his address last night.

Posted: 1/10/2005 9:58:22 AM EDT

[#38]

He's not going to be able to implement a good majority of what he wants, but what he said is correct. Yes, his anti-gun politics SUCK, but let's face it-he's the best that has come along in 10 years. (I still wish McClintock would have been elected though..)

hopefully, people will re-elect him or someone who is better...another Socialist or two in office and that state is going to collapse.

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:02:06 AM EDT

[#39]

Arnold "Der Groper" Schwarzenegger = RINO.

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:08:54 AM EDT

[#40]

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Arnold has always been an asshole.

He is a good actor though.

Ca. deserves him...

America doesn't.
I feel better now. Once again, I disagree with every single point you make.

(Arnie is a good actor? What have you been smoking?)

That was the most ballsy "State of the State" speech I've ever read. Only disagreement I have with him is placing the blame for bad education squarely on the teachers.

He left out the multiple layers of ridiculously expensive administrative bureacracy that smothers the abilities of the teachers to teach.

Other than that, it was bang-on.

I can't imagnine him winning another term, though. He's angered pretty much every power-hungry special interest going. I wouldn't be surprised if he was shortly assassinated by some Twinkie-addled recently fired mid-level government bureacrat.

I agree with you on every point, except I think he has a damn good chance to win another term.

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:11:17 AM EDT

[#41]

While I was pulling for McClintock, Ahnold is probably the person who could most appeal to the people and get reforms in CA.

CRC

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:13:27 AM EDT

[#42]

You guys are right...the Legislators will do nothing...that's why Arnold will take this to the people and get it done...some of it anyways.

I told you guys change was coming but you wouldn't listen.

Now sit back and look out.

SGatr15

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:15:46 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
He's not going to be able to implement a good majority of what he wants, but what he said is correct. Yes, his anti-gun politics SUCK, but let's face it-he's the best that has come along in 10 years. (I still wish McClintock would have been elected though..)

hopefully, people will re-elect him or someone who is better...another Socialist or two in office and that state is going to collapse.

McClintock would have never been able to bitch-slap the Democrats like Arnie does. Basically, the legislature would have tied McClintock's hands, and that would have been that. But Arnie has the popular support to actually get things done.

Sometimes we want the person up there that believes exactly the right things. But if that person can't get anything done, what good can they do? We need to consider this pragmaticly.

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:19:25 AM EDT

[#44]

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Arnold "Der Groper" Schwarzenegger = RINO.

How sad that a so called conservative would believe the hit piece "report" by the leftist media and run with it.

He groped a few women? So fucking what. If it was bad enough we would have heard about it years ago. I'm more inclined to think that the women themselves were the ones who initiated it. Hm, very rich, famous, somewhat powerful, good looking man... Nope, women never go for that type!

I'll say that he isn't perfect, but some of you expect way too much out of this guy. Bush said he'd sign the AWB if it got to his desk. I believe he would have kept his word. Guess what, A.S. signed one of three gun bills, and he did it knowing he had to. I believe that if this state wasn't so left he would have told the legislature to fuck themselves. I don't think he is inherently anti, he is being a cunning politician.

While he alienated a lot of politicians, remember that he got some 60%+ of the vote - many of those votes came from democrats and non republicans. He is very popular, and CA has a history of voter initiative measures being proposed and passed.

Hopefully he will be successful in at least of his ambitions.

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:41:04 AM EDT

[#45]

Tagged!!

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:45:24 AM EDT

[#46]

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No matter what Arnie won't be President. Well unless they amend the Constitution. He is not a Natural Born Citizen. Austrian I believe..?

Yes, and if I am not mistaken, his father was a card carrying NAZI.

I just figured it out. The reason Arnold and Uncle Ted get along so well is...Arnold's dad was a NAZI and Teddy's father was a had known anti-semitism and NAZI sympathy. Conspieracy theory? You decide...
ok, I've decided (about you )

This speech was just more of the same that Arnold has been beating the CA Legislature with since his election. He IS bitchslapping them in every way, and his approval ratings remain the highest of a CA Gov in decades.
I could give a fuck what the Libertarian-minded Righty-McRight thinks of him. He is STILL to the Right of the rerst of CA Govt, and the Liberal fuckheads who have destroyed the State over the last decade. He IS pulling the State Rightward.
And when his terms are up, we can elect a real Conservative.

And the bashers will just keep right on villifying him for NOT being to the Right of Buchanan.

Did you just crawl out of a cave?

Arnold's dad WAS a Brown Shirt in the NAZI party. He served the NAZI party in France and was at some of the worst things done to humans. Ted Kennedy's dad DID support the NAZI party before we went to war with them. If I am not mistaken, he even gave them money in support. Daddy Kennedy was betting on the side that the NAZI's would win. And Arnold even made a comment in "Pumping Iron" that he admired Hitler.

I agree he did the right thing in his speech and he just might get more conservatives elected in California (though I doubt it) may happen. But Arnold is NOT a saint and it's sheeple like you who have horse blinders on, are the one's that support, without knowledge, idiot's, moron's and power hungry people that will take away every right you have. Arnold may have "said" the right things on Wednesday, we'll just see if he'll carry them through or was using this pressure as a bargaining chip to get a couple of bigger things passed, like the budget. It would suprise me at all, if he would trade everything else away to get a new budget system passed.

If you want to bow down like this and lick the boot before you, go right ahead. Arnold "said" some good things. For me, I'll just keep my eye on him and see if he follows through with his words. And with California, the reason I want to watch? If you go down the tubes, who'll pay for it? Me, along with every other non-Californian. Your screwed up laws and moronic ideas have screwed this country up for too long. As California goes, so does the country. True and sad. And don't get me wrong, Michigan isn't the best out of the 50 states either. But at least, I am wise enough to not trust politicians.

So who's the...

...now dick!

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:48:37 AM EDT

[#47]

rayra

Oh yeah...AT LEAST I CAN PURCHASE A 50 CALIBER RIFLE

Well, at leas for now that is.

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:51:57 AM EDT

[#48]

He's a RINO. He banned the .50BMG and he will cave in of drivers licenses for illegals.

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:54:46 AM EDT

[#49]

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Only disagreement I have with him is placing the blame for bad education squarely on the teachers.

He left out the multiple layers of ridiculously expensive administrative bureacracy that smothers the abilities of the teachers to teach.

The teachers union is responsible for that bureacracy.

Posted: 1/10/2005 10:57:00 AM EDT

[#50]

Believe it or not this is called the art of politics.

If you tell someone you are going to cut off their finger, they will protest and fight. If you tell them you are going to cut off an arm they will still protest and fight but in the end they will not only let you cut off the finger , they may let you cut off the hand to save the arm.

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