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Posted: 10/29/2004 4:48:06 AM EDT
Lets prove this asshat wrong!
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Every other national poll has Bush either leading or tied.
Just yesterday Zogby was saying that his original confidence that Kerry would win was GONE. Also, it depends state-to-state. I'm not ready to throw in the towel. VOTE, people! |
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I just heard on the radio that Zogby said Bush was going to win? WTF? www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm |
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Something tells me that either a misunderstanding occurred, or someone leaked an OLD Zogby story.
It is true that way back, Zogby DID say he believed that Kerry would win. HOWEVER, as of yesterday, I heard him say on the radio that his original optimism was now GONE. If illigb heard something like that this morning, then all the better! |
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Paul Havey stated yesterday that the sports handicappers have been more accurate than polls have ever been since they've been keepin track of these stats........
I'd be more inclined to believe him and he says it'll be 60% to 30% with Bush kickin Kerrys' butt. As for me, I invite ya to join me in helping turn this country around by voting for "NONE OF THE ABOVE". It's time we started making a real choice, instead always picking the lesser or two evils.....or as my dad puts it "voting AGAINST someone", instead of for somebody. Mike |
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don't use my freedom as bargaining tools for your principles...... |
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Many here rebuke that concept --- I like it -- It needs done. BOTH parties need a wake up call. |
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Is that with vote fraud factored in or without? |
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I am going to vote for Bush, too, but I sure can sympathize with those who vote third party.
The powers that be offer two candidates from the major parties. They are far more alike than they differ. Bush is actually the equivalent of an old style democrat. Any candidate who stands for real change can't get nominated by either major party and thus the people are told "If you vote for a third party candidate your vote is wasted." They have us right where they want us. |
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Hell, I'm hoping Zogby says Kerry %75 - %20. That way all the lazy ass Kerry supporters will stay their dead asses at home thinking the election is in the bag leaving the polls clear for Bush supporters to put in the landslide vote.
I put no faith in polls of any kind. No one has polled me, I'm registered Independant and I've gotten enough campaign literature to fuel my home all winter and enough pre-recorded campaign messages to make a greatest hits album set. You know what I think? I see a few cars around town with Kerry stickers, not many with Bush stickers. Anyone with a Bush sticker stands a chance of having their car vandalized. So those with Kerry stickers are Kerry voters and all the rest are Bush voters. Furthermore, I haven't met one Kerry supporter yet, YET! that wasn't some kind of left wing militant hippie freak and it has had nothing to do with age or occupation. Lawyers, business men, writers, they have all been freaks, some 60-70 yo. freaks. Likewise I've met hard core partyline Democrats that have a brain and even they can't bring themselves to vote for Kerry. I'll wait to see the numbers Tuesday night, that's my poll. |
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Whether you admit it or not, your actions on November 2nd will determine whether Kerry of Bush get elected. If you want Kerry to be elected, vote accordingly. If you want Bush to be elected, vote accordingly. Whether you decide to vote for Bush or kerry or Nader or Badnarik or YOURSELF... THAT decision and that ACTION will go towards the election of either BUSH of KERRY. |
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Luckily for those of us with our eyes open, we know that President Bush isn't evil at all and we are voting for him rather than against Kerry. |
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Write this with a black marker on your forehead.
"swonk yllaer ydobon" Then look in the mirror everytime you ask this question. |
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+1 |
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Zogby sucks as a pollster... his methodolgy isn't shared by any other reputable pollster in the business and in the 2002 elections, he called 29% of the elections for the wrong guy (never mind the huge point discrepancy).
Check out this point from someone who spends some time doing this professionally:
Source: polipundit.com/index.php?p=4176 |
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I heard a story on NPR yesterday about how early in the election Zogby had predicted Kerry to win, but recently he's changed his mind and is now predicting Bush to win.
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Heard the same thing on pubic radio yesterday. |
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Wow. This is the first time I've ever read a post by you with which I disagreed. I do understand your point and would gladly cast a vote for a third-party candidate IF there was another candidate that was "electable" (hey, I just made up a new word. ). Casting a vote for someone who isn't even in the running IS a wasted vote IMHO. All the people who voted for Perot in '92 helped elect Clinton. The Repubs & Demos didn't get much of a message either. |
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EXACTLY! NPR! Man, you know afternoon talk-radio in New England SUCKS when all you've got is NPR! |
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My problem is that the building I work in blocks AM radio, so all I can get is FM. Then the other problem is the damn firewall blocks most streaming internet radio. If I could only argue my way into a cube by the windows ... |
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Yeah, I had heard him on several occasions say it seems like Bush has the momentum.
ALSO remember....he's a Kerry supporter. As legit as his process and models might be, when it's close enough he, like any human being, lets his opinion leak out. Recently the numbers are strong enough to tilt him to W. |
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If you are listening to NPR, you're listening to the wrong voice! NPR is the most liberal POS I have ever heard!
DON"T SUBJECT YOURSELF TO THAT KIND OF TORTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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The NPR Zogby story....what was the date of the Zogby info? Is NPR being political and playing a Zogby prediction from Monday when the "missing explosives" story was making it's splash? As far as radio....you can web stream to RUSH and SEAN. |
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The story involved them either interviewing Zogby directly or discussing what he had said. (I honestly can't remember which.)
Anyway, they said something along the lines of "Pollster John Zogby had once made a confident prediction that Kerry would win. He claimed to day that his confidence in that prediction was now gone." I'm sorry, but that's as close as I can get. I was busy trying not to get lost and reading roadsigns, but I DO remember a line very similar to the line above. |
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Someone needs to change/edit the title of this thread - Zogby predicts Bush will win
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Shit, I live and work in Texas, we have a small contigient of idiots oops, democrats, working here. They generally keep there mouth shut though . |
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Want put a non-monitary bet on who will win? Your account verses mine. Sgtar15 |
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S15ratg, I certainly hope you are right. I think Bush wins, however, my problem comes with the fact that He had a 12 point margin in polls in FLA and won by 537 votes. Lets hope it a landslide! TXL |
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+1 Bush may not be perfect, but he's done 1 or 2 things I don't like (CFR & Medicare), and the rest is A++... Plus, with the 'America Sucks, we're a mess, everything is rotten & terrible' campaign that Kerry has won, he does not deserve the Presidency, so even if I didn't think that GW is the 2nd coming of Ronald Reagan himself, I'd vote for him... - Dave_A (Allready voted for Bush) |
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And while you're diddling around "turn(ing) this country around" there are SCOTUS appointments to be made. Real nice. |
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You seem to have a lot of fear. You might want to seek help about that. |
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you're okay as long as they don't take your STAPLER!! |
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Zogby was quoted on Fox News that it is basically just a "hunch".
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I agree. I think Kerry will win - and could very well win BIG (by electoral votes).
I think "close" states will be stolen by Kerry (rampant voter fraud, lawsuits) and so I give absolutely NO benefit of the doubt to GWBush. MY FINAL PREDICTION: KERRY 311 GWBUSH 227 Kerry States: California (55) Conecticut (7) Delaware (3) DC (3) Florida (27) Hawaii (4) Illinois (21) Iowa (7) Maine (4) Maryland (10) Massachussetts (12) Michigan (17) New Hampshire (4) New Jersey (15) New Mexico (5) New York (31) Ohio (20) Oregon (7) Pennsylvania (21) Rhode Island (4) Vermont (3) Washington (11) Wisconsin (10) GWBush States: Alabama (9) Alaska (3) Arizona (10) Arkansas (6) Colorado (9) Georgia (15) Idaho (4) Indiana (11) Kansas (6) Kentucky (8) Louisiana (9) Mississippi (6) Missouri (11) Montana (3) Nebraska (5) Nevada (5) North Carolina (15) North Dakota (3) Oklahoma (7) South Carolina (8) South Dakota (3) Tennessee (11) Texas (34) Utah (5) Virginia (13) West Virginia (5) Wyoming (3) |
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Don't know what you are talking about. You may want to check out this composite of polls, which still shows President Bush 2.4% up, and Zogby shows a tie. Real Clear Politics |
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Oh... well that settles it then. Why even bother holding the election? Zogby has decreed that the die is cast, so it must be so. Might as well turn in all our guns now & hoist the U.N. flag... save them the hassle of forcing our hand. Yup, we are doomed.... Zogby says so. |
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