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Posted: 6/8/2001 7:52:09 PM EDT
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When they have "run their course" Kuiper locks them. He decides when they have been discussed enough. ??
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:10:36 PM EDT
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What type of community of freedom loving people like us are in if someone else decides when our discussion is done.
It is like we are children and our daddy told us to shut up because he doesn't want to hear us anymore. Language and pornography should be moderated, not content that a moderator finds uninteresting or offensive to only himself. |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:14:34 PM EDT
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Kuiper,
Please listen to this: Quoted: What type of community of freedom loving people like us are in if someone else decides when our discussion is done. It is like we are children and our daddy told us to shut up because he doesn't want to hear us anymore. Language and pornography should be moderated, not content that a moderator finds uninteresting or offensive to only himself. |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:25:34 PM EDT
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Oh! Okay Mr. WhoMe? Who is WhoMe? Are you Kuiper's right hand man? His "associate" or just a little kid tattle-tailing?
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this board does need moderation. [;D] |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:26:46 PM EDT
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I think he is agreeing with you. Gotta be careful how you type things. It can be confusing to understand sometimes
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:30:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Oh! Okay Mr. WhoMe? Who is WhoMe? Are you Kuiper's right hand man? His "associate" or just a little kid tattle-tailing? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this board does need moderation. [;D] It sounds to me like he's agreeing with you too. He appears to be asking Kuiper to read it and take it to heart. Not picking on Kuiper, he does a good job, for a foreigner. Just kidding!! LOL |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:34:35 PM EDT
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I know, I know. I'm jusy playin' with you guys.
But I still think Kuiper should lighten up on his moderating tactics a bit. |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:38:42 PM EDT
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So this is how it works, huh? Everyone complains about AntiUSSA's moderation, then when he's not here anymore you guys need to pick on somebody new?
I think Kuiper does a fine job, and a consistently fine job at that. If he's locking something, I have trust in his judgement. With all the nonsense going on here lately, there may be more going on than meets the eye. We're all trying to work together to keep this place nice, and sometimes it's not very easy. If we could all just follow the rules, moderation would be UNNECESSARY. |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:41:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: So this is how it works, huh? Everyone complains about AntiUSSA's moderation, then when he's not here anymore you guys need to pick on somebody new? I think Kuiper does a fine job, and a consistently fine job at that. If he's locking something, I have trust in his judgement. With all the nonsense going on here lately, there may be more going on than meets the eye. We're all trying to work together to keep this place nice, and sometimes it's not very easy. If we could all just follow the rules, moderation would be UNNECESSARY. We have to have something to complain about.[:D] Otherwise the board would be awfully quiet. |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:45:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: So this is how it works, huh? Everyone complains about AntiUSSA's moderation, then when he's not here anymore you guys need to pick on somebody new? I think Kuiper does a fine job, and a consistently fine job at that. If he's locking something, I have trust in his judgement. With all the nonsense going on here lately, there may be more going on than meets the eye. We're all trying to work together to keep this place nice, and sometimes it's not very easy. If we could all just follow the rules, moderation would be UNNECESSARY. Treetop, I assure you the LAST thing I want to do is cause trouble. My comment referred to a specific "lock" earlier this evening on a topic that had 6 pages of posts and was only locked due to his deciding it "had run its course." It was a graphic execution video clip with a strong warning/link, etc. which I believe followed the guidelines. I did not view it, but found the comments interesting. It lead to a discussion regarding war and such. Common theme around here. I certainly agree there has been much ugliness of various sorts. Certainly most of us agree that the mods are great and almost overly fair. No one expects perfection, especially from such a tough job. It would be impossible to make everyone happy. Again, no offense/troublemaking intended. [:D] |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:50:53 PM EDT
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TREETOP,
Please listen to this: Quoted: Quoted: So this is how it works, huh? Everyone complains about AntiUSSA's moderation, then when he's not here anymore you guys need to pick on somebody new? I think Kuiper does a fine job, and a consistently fine job at that. If he's locking something, I have trust in his judgement. With all the nonsense going on here lately, there may be more going on than meets the eye. We're all trying to work together to keep this place nice, and sometimes it's not very easy. If we could all just follow the rules, moderation would be UNNECESSARY. Treetop, I assure you the LAST thing I want to do is cause trouble. My comment referred to a specific "lock" earlier this evening on a topic that had 6 pages of posts and was only locked due to his deciding it "had run its course." It was a graphic execution video clip with a strong warning/link, etc. which I believe followed the guidelines. I did not view it, but found the comments interesting. It lead to a discussion regarding war and such. Common theme around here. I certainly agree there has been much ugliness of various sorts. Certainly most of us agree that the mods are great and almost overly fair. No one expects perfection, especially from such a tough job. It would be impossible to make everyone happy. Again, no offense/troublemaking intended. [:D] |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:56:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhoMe?: TREETOP, Please listen to this: Quoted: Quoted: So this is how it works, huh? Everyone complains about AntiUSSA's moderation, then when he's not here anymore you guys need to pick on somebody new? I think Kuiper does a fine job, and a consistently fine job at that. If he's locking something, I have trust in his judgement. With all the nonsense going on here lately, there may be more going on than meets the eye. We're all trying to work together to keep this place nice, and sometimes it's not very easy. If we could all just follow the rules, moderation would be UNNECESSARY. Treetop, I assure you the LAST thing I want to do is cause trouble. My comment referred to a specific "lock" earlier this evening on a topic that had 6 pages of posts and was only locked due to his deciding it "had run its course." It was a graphic execution video clip with a strong warning/link, etc. which I believe followed the guidelines. I did not view it, but found the comments interesting. It lead to a discussion regarding war and such. Common theme around here. I certainly agree there has been much ugliness of various sorts. Certainly most of us agree that the mods are great and almost overly fair. No one expects perfection, especially from such a tough job. It would be impossible to make everyone happy. Again, no offense/troublemaking intended. [:D] TroubleMaker[:D] |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 9:00:09 PM EDT
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I'm NOT trying to cause trouble, I just agree with what thebeekeeper1 is saying........ |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 9:00:09 PM EDT
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I'm listening. And understanding.
I haven't looked at the thread in question, I guess I passed over it. Kuiper has locked a couple of my threads on the old board [specifically "Night Crew" 1&2] for bandwidth reasons since they got too large. Perhaps his reasoning was the same here, or maybe it was a different reason. Without being him, I can't tell you why the thread was locked for sure, but like I said I trust his judgement. It looks like all the mods have been doing some house cleaning here. Feel free to e-mail Kuiper if you don't understand something he did. I'm sure he'd be happy to explain. [:)] |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 9:02:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm listening. And understanding. I haven't looked at the thread in question, I guess I passed over it. Kuiper has locked a couple of my threads on the old board [specifically "Night Crew" 1&2] for bandwidth reasons since they got too large. Perhaps his reasoning was the same here, or maybe it was a different reason. Without being him, I can't tell you why the thread was locked for sure, but like I said I trust his judgement. It looks like all the mods have been doing some house cleaning here. Feel free to e-mail Kuiper if you don't understand something he did. I'm sure he'd be happy to explain. [:)] And here I thought moderators were omnipotent and would be able to read minds, leap tall buildings, and catch a bullet with their hands.[;)] |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 9:07:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm listening. And understanding. I haven't looked at the thread in question, I guess I passed over it. Kuiper has locked a couple of my threads on the old board [specifically "Night Crew" 1&2] for bandwidth reasons since they got too large. Perhaps his reasoning was the same here, or maybe it was a different reason. Without being him, I can't tell you why the thread was locked for sure, but like I said I trust his judgement. It looks like all the mods have been doing some house cleaning here. Feel free to e-mail Kuiper if you don't understand something he did. I'm sure he'd be happy to explain. [:)] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=28475[/url] |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 9:07:57 PM EDT
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Personally, I will take any number of admonitions to see the crap/pornmeisters/fighters/bitchers/trolls/troublemakers and such cleared out.
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Posted: 6/8/2001 9:17:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Personally, I will take any number of admonitions to see the crap/pornmeisters/fighters/bitchers/trolls/troublemakers and such cleared out. That pretty much covers it. |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 9:52:07 PM EDT
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I personally think TREETOP sucks as a moderator. [;D]
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Posted: 6/10/2001 7:16:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: And here I thought moderators were omnipotent and would be able to read minds, leap tall buildings, and catch a bullet with their hands.[;)] I agree with TREETOP on his explanation.There are times when by the time you get to the 5th or 6th page (sometimes it happens in the 4th post)the discussion focus has shifted and you might as well start a new thread with that as the heading. In that particular thread the video was properly described before loading it, and the conversation at first revolved around how traumatic it was to watch.Later when the discussion turned to the horror of war and how people felt about conduct in combat it could have been sustained as a separate topic....thus Kuipers comment that "it had ran it's course".No need to load 6 pages of thread to continue the discussion. My $.02 BTW-I thought the entire thread was handled very well by all who posted, beginning with the member who originated it. |
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Posted: 6/10/2001 7:29:03 AM EDT
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This is exactly what is wrong with our society nowadays. Strict enforcement of the rule of law is always at its most after an incident occurs.
Example: [b]somebody shoots up a school....... the antis yell blood......the politicians ride the issues and proposes tougher laws.......the law-abiding gun owners suffer the after effect.[/b] Is this not similar to: [b]some of the members here acting like idiots posting stuff which is either inappropriate or copyrighted....... the other members react.......flame wars resulted.......admin gets tough on moderators to do their job.......moderators slash and burn through whatever "they" find offensive.......all the law-abiding gun owners suffer the after effect.[/b] I for one think that the moderators are doing a job with an unholy responsibility of balancing what is right with what is not permitted. Sometimes posts can be [b]"right and permitted"[/b], sometimes it can be [b]right and not permitted[/b], it can be [b]wrong and permitted[/b] or [b]wrong and not permitted[/b]. The first and the last example is easy but for the two in between, who draws the line?? I agree with some that Kuiper has been quite consistent in moderating this board but I certainly hope that his new title/role will not get to his head, because if it does......(we have seen this before) |
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Posted: 6/10/2001 7:38:30 AM EDT
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OOOOpppss! Forgot .....Same goes for you to ED. [8D] [8D] [8D] [8D] [8D]
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Posted: 6/10/2001 7:50:18 AM EDT
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[b]Any user who finds material posted by another user objectionable is encouraged to contact us via email. We are authorized by you to remove or modify any data submitted by you to these forums for any reason we feel constitutes a violation of our policies, whether stated, implied or not.
By registering for the forums you, the user, admit to being over the age of 13. You are fully responsible for any information or file supplied by this user. You also agree that you will not post any copyrighted material that is not owned by yourself or the owners of these forums. In your use of these forums, you agree that you will not post any information which is vulgar, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws. By continuing forward to view or use the forums, you are agreeing with the rules and policies stated in this agreement, and meet the criteria stated herein.[/b] Personally I use the above quoted and the conduct code to gauge whether a post should be edited,locked or deleted. Some threads are a blatant violation of the rules and guidelines. Others walk a fine line. Sometimes you have to go with your gut feeling. For example I almost deleted the post with the link to the soldier being killed because to be quite honest I almost threw up when I watched it and I've seen some gruesome things in my life. But I decided to let it go and keep an eye on it. I agree with Ed about the replies posted by members. It didn't go in the direction I thought it would. It generated some very good discussion and debate. Moderating isn't as easy as clicking on the lock button. What might be offensive to me won't be to someone else and what right do I have to delete it because it is offensive to me but based on replies posted it isn't to other people. I'm going to continue to use the conduct code and user policy as my "measuring stick" because I believe it will keep my moderating fair and unbiased which is what I said I would do in the first place. If anyone has an issue with my editing or deleting their thread please e-mail me. I respond to all of them and appreciate the feedback be it positive or negative. |
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Posted: 6/10/2001 7:52:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: [b].....flame wars resulted.......admin gets tough on moderators to do their job.......moderators slash and burn through whatever "they" find offensive.......all the law-abiding gun owners suffer the after effect.[/b] |
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Posted: 6/10/2001 1:57:08 PM EDT
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The video thread was indeed handled very well by the members here. Perhaps I closed it too soon, but I made a decision at that time. No more new comment/insights were added. Obviously you cant please them all. But I do ask you to trust me that being a member here since '98 does give you some insight in internet discussions and where they are heading.
As said before, if you have questions regarding a thread. Please enclose the URL. I can be wrong too, and will stand corrected if need be. Kuiper |
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