So It Begins, CONTROVERSY ERUPTS AS VOTING BEGINS IN FLORIDA, Democrats try to steal election

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - So It Begins, CONTROVERSY ERUPTS AS VOTING BEGINS IN FLORIDA, Democrats try to steal election

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:00:33 PM EDT

www.drudgereport.com/dnc47.htm

**Exclusive**

As early voting begins Monday in the sunburn State of Florida controversy has already developed around a Democratic National Committee/Kerry-Edwards election manual.

The election manual titled -- "FLORIDA VICTORY 2004" -obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT, advocates an apparent unlawful "BALLOT PICKUP" drive by campaign volunteers.

The DNC Kerry/Edwards manual states:

"In Florida, it is legal to handle ballots. This means it is possible for the campaign to canvass base neighborhoods, pick up completed ballots and deliver them to Early Vote locations. We will incorporate these deliveries into our Early Vote canvassing program."

But Florida State election law - as detailed at: http://election.dos.state.fl.us/absenteevoting.shtml - is in sharp contrast and conflicts with the Dem plan.

"A designee may pick up an absentee ballot for a voter on election day or 4 days before election day. A designee may only pick up two absentee ballots per election, other than his or her own ballot or ballots for members of his or her immediate family. Designees must have written authorization from the voter, present a picture I.D. and sign an affidavit. Candidates may pick up absentee ballots only for members of their immediate family."

It is not clear as this transmits, if any Dem operatives have yet collected ballots. A legal challenge will be filed to stop any action, top Republican sources tell DRUDGE.

The exhaustive FLORIDA VICTORY 2004 manual runs 26 pages with an 18 page appendix. It is signed by the DNC, Kerry Edwards, Florida Democrat Party, Kerry Edwards Campaign Chair, Florida Victory 2004, Florida AFL-CIO, Florida Education Association, Academy of Florida Trial Lawyers, and Florida SEIU.

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Filed By Matt Drudge
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(c)DRUDGE REPORT 2004
Not for reproduction without permission of the author

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:02:50 PM EDT

[#1]

so what does this mean in english? (for us tired people)

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:03:15 PM EDT

[#2]

Those whacky democrats are always trying to get a leg up! I love how they come up with these illegal plans then cry "they stole the election" when they lose.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:06:37 PM EDT

[#3]

I don't understand what they are trying to do. Are they trying to make up votes? Are they just visiting democrats houses and picking up absentee ballots? What exatcly are they doing?

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:11:52 PM EDT

[#4]

Violating state law!

The Repubs better sue and sue fast!

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:18:57 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
so what does this mean in english? (for us tired people)

The Democrats will go out to "target neighborhoods" (i.e. black or whereever else they think people will vote for them) and have tons of people fill out absentee ballots, then bring them back to the polling place, however state law only says that each person can only bring back a total of 4 absentee ballots in a year, not a mail bag full.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:21:05 PM EDT

[#6]

Thanks Aimless.

What is to stop them from collecting Rep absentee ballots and just tossing them?

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:22:06 PM EDT

[#7]

They are farming votes so the lazy welfare queens don;t have to exert any effort to vote... this is why I hated motor voter which made it possible to get your gubmint handout and register to vote while waiting to suck on the people's tit. Now they don't even have to show up...

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:22:40 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Thanks Aimless.

What is to stop them from collecting Rep absentee ballots and just tossing them?

Nothing, which is why they should have to be mailed and postmarked.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:30:31 PM EDT

[#9]

a total perversion of the absentee ballot.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:31:08 PM EDT

[#10]

Also what is stopping them from knocking on someones door and saying - would you like to vote? No? OK then mrs. non voter.... Then go fill out their vote card for them and check off Kerry. Or they could even add their own ballots to the pile - say 10 extra bogus ballots for every person collecting. That would be one gaggle fuck.

I don't really trust the voting system we have in place now. Why can't everyone just show up to a certain place, show an ID and then vote? To do it any other way makes no sense at all.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:44:59 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Thanks Aimless.

What is to stop them from collecting Rep absentee ballots and just tossing them?

nothing.
what they are wanting to do is go around and pass out ballots, 'help' people fill them in, then take them back to the polls.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:50:33 PM EDT

[#12]

People used to do that around here. (and most likely still do) They would go to the old peoples houses and 'help' them fill out their ballots by forcing them to vote democrat. These people will not vote anymore because they feel so violated. I heard this first hand while witnessing a will sometime last year.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:51:50 PM EDT

[#13]

It means that the dems are trying to stuff the ballot box.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:52:46 PM EDT

[#14]

I'm not sure how it works, normally you have to request an absentee ballot and it is mailed to you. Democrats have long gone to nursing homes and helped people request one and fill it out, and even offer to pay the postage and mail it for them.

There is an upside to absentee voting. If not done right the ballot can be challenged... While I would rather everybody vote at the polls unless they have a valid reason for an absentee... once they step in the machine and pull a lever the vote will be counted... even if the person isn't who they claim to be. If a machine has 100 more votes on it than there are voters in the district... too bad, they don't disenfranchise voters by invalidating machines and all the votes on them, even if there are too many. The overvote is where they kill you!

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:57:00 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Why can't everyone just show up to a certain place, show an ID and then vote? To do it any other way makes no sense at all.

Naaah...that makes far too much sense...that's why it will never be done that way...because the world is a huge pile of shit...deal with it...just get whatever you can and fuck everyone else...sad but true...

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:01:28 PM EDT

[#16]

Approved by a predominatly run Republican State Legislature, with GW's brother as Gov.

Wake up and smell the Coffee. The other side's been doing it for years. They won't take any action because it's something that was copied from those who mastered it in the first place.

Political Virgins may be suprised out of the state, but in FLA..it's Business as Usual.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:25:31 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Approved by a predominatly run Republican State Legislature, with GW's brother as Gov.

Wake up and smell the Coffee. The other side's been doing it for years. They won't take any action because it's something that was copied from those who mastered it in the first place.

Political Virgins may be suprised out of the state, but in FLA..it's Business as Usual.

A legal challenge will be filed to stop any action, top Republican sources tell DRUDGE.

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:37:35 PM EDT

[#18]

Just make sure every honest person in Florida knows about the Dems efforts to steal votes. This sort of thing will tend to backfire.

GunLvr

Posted: 10/17/2004 11:18:59 PM EDT

[#19]

Yea the fuckers are trying to fake the election up here too .

Get this . Over the last week there has been a ton of articles in the paper about the Democraps sending out absentee ballets and in place of the persons address they have an address for the DNC head quarters . Near as i can figure they plan on having the ballots go there and toss the ones they don't agree with and ship the rest out for Skerry.

Posted: 10/18/2004 4:58:42 AM EDT

[#20]

Kerry is going to be in Tampa today and supposedly will encourage people to use the early voting. So, I'm going to follow his instructions, go to the poll and vote early - FOR PRES. BUSH!!! I will be away on election day, so my original thought was absentee ballot. I prefer having the vote in the machine rather than on a paper which can have things happen to it.

Posted: 10/18/2004 5:02:08 AM EDT

[#21]

Hey, we stole the election in 2000 right, so anything goes.

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