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Posted: 10/13/2004 11:29:35 AM EDT
Is it some special mix of solvents?

Just what is it?

Naphtha?

Mineral Spirits?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:31:30 AM EDT
[#1]
I just use gasoline...

Matter of fact  just finished BBQing some sausage...

SGatr15
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:31:59 AM EDT
[#2]
Charcoal Lighting Fluid
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:38:53 AM EDT
[#3]
No help so far........
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:44:39 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
No help so far........



What exactly are you trying to do?

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:45:54 AM EDT
[#5]
This is from the MSDS for Royal Oak charcoal starting fluid:

Ingred Name:
STODDARD SOLVENT (PETROLEUM DISTILLATE), MINERAL SPIRITS

CAS:
8052-41-3

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:45:59 AM EDT
[#6]
here is the MSDS


starter           0.77
gasoline         .739
Kerosene       .820

so it's  a little heavier than Gasoline but not as heavy as Kerosene.  the heavier it is the less volatile it is (generally).  so it burns longer than gas and leaves less residue than Kerosene

why?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:47:44 AM EDT
[#7]
This is from the MSDS for Kingsford charcoal lighter fluid:

Ingred Name:
SOLVENT NAPHTHA (PETROLEUM) MEDIUM ALIPHATIC; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM SOLVENT)

CAS:64742-88-7
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:50:28 AM EDT
[#8]
Where did you get those numbers?
Not from the MSDS you linked to.

From your provided link:

SECTION XII - Ingredients/Identity Information
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ingredient #                             01
Ingredient Name                          ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM SOLVENT

CAS Number                               64742488
Proprietary                              NO
Percent                                  100
OSHA PEL                                 100 PPM
ACGIH TLV                                50 PPM






Quoted:
here is the MSDS


starter           0.77
gasoline         .739
Kerosene       .820

so it's  a little heavier than Gasoline but not as heavy as Kerosene.  the heavier it is the less volatile it is (generally).  so it burns longer than gas and leaves less residue than Kerosene

why?

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:50:35 AM EDT
[#9]
Get a chimney, much better way to bbq or grille.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:52:00 AM EDT
[#10]
i got the Gan and kero from here

for the starter look at:

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Appearance/Odor                          CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID
Boiling Point                            315-350 F
Melting Point                            N/A
Vapor Pressure                           2MMHG@60F
Vapor Density                            4.7
Specific Gravity                         0.77
Solubility in Water                      INSOLUBLE
Percent Volatiles by Volume              100
Container Pressure Code                  4
Temperature Code                         8
Product State Code                       U
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:00:46 PM EDT
[#11]
What ever it is, From my past experience, I will say that it works much better than JP-4, and dosen't leave a bad taste on the burgers
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:01:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Why do I have the feeling this is going to turn into a 10 page arguement???



SGtar15
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:03:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Just wanted to know..........and I wouldn't have to buy "Charcoal Fluid" in a quart if I could buy a gallon of some solvent instead.

Thanks
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:06:42 PM EDT
[#14]
I see.
You tossed in something that had nothing to do with the original question.
Had you identified your numbers as "specific gravity" then I would have known.




Quoted:
i got the Gan and kero from here

for the starter look at:

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Appearance/Odor                          CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID
Boiling Point                            315-350 F
Melting Point                            N/A
Vapor Pressure                           2MMHG@60F
Vapor Density                            4.7
Specific Gravity                         0.77
Solubility in Water                      INSOLUBLE
Percent Volatiles by Volume              100
Container Pressure Code                  4
Temperature Code                         8
Product State Code                       U

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:12:10 PM EDT
[#15]
100% cheater juice, that's what it is.  Good BBQ never gets within 100 miles of that crap.

Use wood chips to get your fire going.  Also, don't use that Kingsford charcoal garbage.  It's full of fillers that screw up the flavor of the meat.  Look for 100% mesquite charcoal.  I like Best of the West.  Burns very evenly, I can keep my smoker at a consistent temperature all day long.

Kirk
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:18:12 PM EDT
[#16]
the original question is what is it?
VOC and Hydrocarbons as best defined by their specific gravities.
i was stating it is a Hydrocarbon with a specific Gravity between gas and Kerosene.
Working in the petrochemical industry if you say a liquid is a .8 it’s assumed you are talking SG.  Sorry to throw you for a loop.



Quoted:
I see.
You tossed in something that had nothing to do with the original question.
Had you identified your numbers as "specific gravity" then I would have known.




Quoted:
i got the Gan and kero from here

for the starter look at:

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Appearance/Odor                          CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID
Boiling Point                            315-350 F
Melting Point                            N/A
Vapor Pressure                           2MMHG@60F
Vapor Density                            4.7
Specific Gravity                         0.77
Solubility in Water                      INSOLUBLE
Percent Volatiles by Volume              100
Container Pressure Code                  4
Temperature Code                         8
Product State Code                       U


Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:19:28 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
100% cheater juice, that's what it is.  Good BBQ never gets within 100 miles of that crap.

Use wood chips to get your fire going.  Also, don't use that Kingsford charcoal garbage.  It's full of fillers that screw up the flavor of the meat.  Look for 100% mesquite charcoal.  I like Best of the West.  Burns very evenly, I can keep my smoker at a consistent temperature all day long.

Kirk



the best fires are made with OAK wood.  and a little hickory for flavor.

wood has a SG of about   0.700
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:33:18 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Why do I have the feeling this is going to turn into a 10 page arguement???



SGtar15



Because a disproportionate number of the members to this site are engineers.

Like myself.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:38:34 PM EDT
[#19]
get a chimney- never have to buy that crap and your food does not taste like sheet.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:51:02 PM EDT
[#20]
The original question (which I answered)


Quoted:
Is it some special mix of solvents?
Just what is it?
Naphtha?
Mineral Spirits?



Nothing in there asking about specific gravity or where the specific gravity of the compound/s are placed in a specific gravity chart.



Quoted:
the original question is what is it?
VOC and Hydrocarbons as best defined by their specific gravities.
i was stating it is a Hydrocarbon with a specific Gravity between gas and Kerosene.
Working in the petrochemical industry if you say a liquid is a .8 it’s assumed you are talking SG.  Sorry to throw you for a loop.



Quoted:
I see.
You tossed in something that had nothing to do with the original question.
Had you identified your numbers as "specific gravity" then I would have known.




Quoted:
i got the Gan and kero from here

for the starter look at:

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Appearance/Odor                          CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID
Boiling Point                            315-350 F
Melting Point                            N/A
Vapor Pressure                           2MMHG@60F
Vapor Density                            4.7
Specific Gravity                         0.77
Solubility in Water                      INSOLUBLE
Percent Volatiles by Volume              100
Container Pressure Code                  4
Temperature Code                         8
Product State Code                       U



Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:48:09 PM EDT
[#21]
So it looks like it's mostly Mineral Spirits?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:55:44 PM EDT
[#22]
Yeah, once you throw the tech talk out.

Makes your food taste bad if you don't let it burn all the way out after you've let in soak all the way in as directed.  (Anybody actually wait that long???)  If you insist on using it instead of a chimney, start  a little pile with it and then use them to start a big pile so you eliminate most of the taste.

We used to camp at a beach and one of the regulars worked in an aerospace machine shop and about once a week he'ld light his with a pile of magnesium shavings.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:57:45 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Get a chimney, much better way to bbq or grille.



+1
Just got one and it works pretty good.......
no starter fluid
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:59:23 PM EDT
[#24]
The lighter fluid always leaves a bad taste on the food I grill.  (No I don't pore it on the food.)
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:34:20 PM EDT
[#25]
LIghter fluid works fine if you let the coals get to the right stage they should be all white or grey with no black edges showing if it is dark they should look like little glowing orange briquettes.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 9:10:28 PM EDT
[#26]
Haven't used "charcoal lighter" in about 20 years.

I have all Coleman white gas appliances for camping so I always have a can or two of "campfire in a can" in the garage. I have a multi fuel backpacking stove (white gas, car gas and kerosene) and those aluminum storage bottles are just the thing for dousing the coals with white gas.

Let the coals burn until they are completely white, them put the grill on and let any residual grease/leftover food, etc. burn off. Give the grill a once-over with a wire brush and BAM you're good to go. NO oily or petroleum taste whatsoever.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 3:40:28 AM EDT
[#27]
I use that green gel stuff from WalMart.....  based off of a starch substance.  Burns really hot and gets the charcoal going really good.  Only use the hardwood charcoal too.
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