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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:04:45 AM EDT
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If I had to drop that money for a post-ban
I would look at Advanced Armaments{stoner?] AR-15s I hear they are the absolute bomb of post-bans. Sorry,never messed with Wilson Combat AR's,so I can't really hep you. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:06:21 AM EDT
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Get an copy of this months Gun Tests. They did a review on several AR's and the Wilson received a "Do Not Buy".
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:07:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Get an copy of this months Gun Tests. They did a review on several AR's and the Wilson received a "Do Not Buy". No way!!! Are you kidding me?!?!?!? |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:10:29 AM EDT
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Nope. According to them: overpriced, & not accurate. Buy an ASA AR instead.
Thats what they wrote... |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:43:00 AM EDT
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Gun Test is not a real good review magazine. Some of their tests and reasoning is beyond me. I think it is a little more like they are not accurate and figure it must be the gun. I am not saying to buy the Wilson Combat, because I think it is over priced a lot, but to say it wasnt accurate is foolish. In one issue they said the HK USP was not as accurate because "it" produced two fliers. I'm sorry, but it is the shooter who produced the fliers. Anyway... Please go to the ASA forum on this site. It is located in the Industry forum right at the top. One look will pretty much convince you to stay clear of ASA products for life. Nothing but troubles. Dont tell me, did Gun Test mag reccomend the ASA??? Judging by what I've read in their mag, I wouldnt be suprised if they did. Stick with A.B.C.D. A=rmalite, B=ushmaster, C=olt, and maybe even D=PMS. Not in that order, but an easy way to remember.
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:49:17 AM EDT
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You can pay someone to put your gun together, or you can do it yourself.
Get a Bushmaster. They're leading the pack these days. Choose the basic system that you want and add what you want to it. If you want a green gun, get a can of spray paint. Black is THE color. And the finish is tough as nails. For $17.5 you can buy TWO Bushmasters. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:51:41 AM EDT
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I have shot one. Nice weapon however; I was not impressed. I would buy a bushy and put on the stuff I like. For that money you could have a complete setup with a Trijicon and a couple K rounds. IMHO it is a waste of money, just my $. 02
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:55:43 AM EDT
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I haven't fooled with Wilson Combat rifles either, but I'm with the others on this board that $1750 is a hell of a chunk of cash. I personally like DPMS's rifles but that's just my opinion. You can't go wrong with the major manufacturers (I like the ABCD idea). Use the money you save on mags and ammo. My $.02.
ques |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:55:58 AM EDT
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A gun dealer friend of mine has one, not sure of the exact model but it is very nice. Personally I can't see paying that much for a post-ban but it is real sweet and comes with a 1 moa guarantee and it does that and better.
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:58:51 AM EDT
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Read a review on these in Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement - did not get very high marks. The test rifle that Wilson sent to the reviewer had jamming problems.
Why not get a bushmaster and some really nice add on accessories for that same price? You could get a bushy, Trijicon ACOG, Reflex/Aimpoint and still have cash left for some other goodies (like ammo) for that $1750. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 9:12:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: $1725 Jeesh that's alot of dinero man...... I have to go with the rest of the crew on this one... Get a Colt or Bushmaster and set it up RIGHT... You can get the rifle(First shelf) AND all the goodies and still have cash left over for ammo. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 9:31:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: $1725 Jeesh that's alot of dinero man...... I have to go with the rest of the crew on this one... Get a Colt or Bushmaster and set it up RIGHT... You can get the rifle(First shelf) AND all the goodies and still have cash left over for ammo. That's what I would do. You'll probably come out with a much better rifle this way and get great BM customer support to back it up. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 9:39:27 AM EDT
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Can anybody say ... "AR15.com Limited Edition Group Purchase" rifle. $660 each. You could almost get three for the ridiculous price of the Wilson. One to hang on the wall to look at and one in a holster on each hip. No wait, wrong fantasy. One to shoot & one for backup. Yeah, that's it.
Read some of the threads from guys in the first group of 100 who have their rifles already. Norm |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 9:43:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Im SERIOUSLY considering buying the new Wilson Combat TL-15 Lightweight Tactical with green Armor-Tuff coating. They are running about $1725 clams. Take a look at wilsoncombat.com to see what Im talking 'bout. $1725 Jeesh that's alot of dinero man...... For a POSTBAN carbine? Well,it's your money. You could have one built for under $1K, including a Douglas XX airguaged barrel and the JP trigger. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 9:52:09 AM EDT
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Don't give your money to Bill Wilson! Most people I've talked to that bought pistols from him ended up sending them back, a few times. That's ridiculous. I couldn't justify spending that much money. Buy a flat top target rifle w/ a good sight, and your favorite length handle top for combat gun.
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Posted: 6/7/2001 11:36:02 AM EDT
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I am with the rest of the board. Buy a bushmaster, load it up with a trijicon, otis cleaning kit and about 2000 rounds of AE 62grn from ammoman.com. You will be much happier!
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Posted: 6/7/2001 2:31:56 PM EDT
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I would rather spend the money on a ZM weapons kit. My .02 worth.
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Posted: 6/7/2001 2:45:57 PM EDT
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Heck for that money or a couple hundred more youcan buy 2 pre-ban Colts that will appreciate in value. Thats what I'd do.
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Posted: 6/7/2001 2:47:05 PM EDT
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For $1725!
why don't you just buy a pre-ban AR for that price. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 2:50:50 PM EDT
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Noting the fact that the Wilson you spec is a Cadillac model, I can say that the price of a regular run of the mill AR15 in these times is still overpriced, but we live with that. Buying that Wilson for that price would be a nightmare that w(sh)ould haunt any sane man.
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Posted: 6/7/2001 2:57:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bobby Vincent: A gun dealer friend of mine has one, not sure of the exact model but it is very nice. Personally I can't see paying that much for a post-ban but it is real sweet and comes with a 1 moa guarantee and it does that and better. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 3:01:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, the Wilsons are way overpriced. Get a Les Baer.
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Posted: 6/7/2001 3:02:00 PM EDT
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You can buy the new Bushmaster M4 post-ban with legal fix Telescoping stock for about $700+ plus you have 1k left to spend then you can buy 10k rounds of ammo for 1k.
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Posted: 6/7/2001 4:19:59 PM EDT
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Wilson makes his ARs on PWA receivers. I agree with the others you can get TWO BUSHMASTERS for that price and would be getting a better gun at that.
I would recommend getting a Bushmaster, Colt, or Armalite and then putting what you want on it or send it away to have a gunsmith make what ever modifications that you want. Just my .02 Good Luck Semper Fi USMC03 |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 4:58:30 PM EDT
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DO NOT BUY THE WILSON COMBAT AR - as stated above, in Gun Test magazine it shot like a piece of crap. It shot just a little better then a Mini-14. I'm suspecting that Wilson Combat is going to crap. Just got their Tactical Muzzle Break installed on my AR and they trashed my parkerized finish. When they returned my upper to me they essentially put it in a box with almost no padding and mailed it to me. Something wrong is going on there, in a big way. Go with Bushmaster all the way!!!!!
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Posted: 6/7/2001 5:34:02 PM EDT
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Here`s what you REALLY want, bud.....armalite-m15a2.....you can build it any way you want, but after you start shooting it, you might not care to! hey, the ORIGINAL is still the best!!!!!!!........[smoke]
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Posted: 6/7/2001 5:40:26 PM EDT
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geez- for $1700 - why not get a pre-ban colt 6520? or 2.5 legp carbines - or get a colt chrome lined mt6551 and a legp and have money left over for ammo and mags?
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Posted: 6/7/2001 5:55:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Read a review on these in Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement - did not get very high marks. The test rifle that Wilson sent to the reviewer had jamming problems. Hey ESP, That rag also called the Carbon-15 "AR-15 Perfection!" Their review is the reason I bought (and now am returning) my POS carbon-15. Don't believe everything you read. |
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Posted: 6/7/2001 8:21:36 PM EDT
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Bill Wilson has made lots of money buying parts from vendors, slapping guns together out of them and putting his name on the finished product. You aren't getting a better product for the exhorbitant price he asks, just one that says "Wilson Combat". Big deal. Bushmaster, DPMS, Armalite, and Rock River Arms are all producing a much better product for lots less money. Les Baer makes top-of-the-line stuff, but you pay more for it. In his case, it's probably worth it. You can buy a couple of post-ban guns from the above manufacturers for the same money as the Wilson, or a pre-ban and lots of mags and ammo.
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Posted: 6/8/2001 3:43:52 PM EDT
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I saw some WILSON COMBAT rifles at a gunshow last year.
They were built on PWA lowers, the uppers looked like the same cheap stuff you see at the shows being peddled by M&A parts and others. I was NOT impressed. [size=5]GET A PRE-BAN BUSHMASTER ! ! ! [/size=5] ...or Colt, Eagle/Armalite. |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 4:05:58 PM EDT
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I'm sure Wilson builds some fine weapons, AR's and 1911's both. But a pistol he sent a gun magazine for testing and evaluation wouldn't run and had to be sent back for adjustment. Of course the magazine excuses for him but if I paid the price for a custom firearm of any kind I would be highly upset if I had to send it back to make it work.
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Posted: 6/8/2001 6:28:26 PM EDT
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Two words: PRE...BAN.
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Posted: 6/8/2001 6:58:52 PM EDT
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BUY PRE-BAN. For that money, at least you can get a shorty folder.
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:01:57 PM EDT
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Where's Rock River in all this? Everyone is recommending ABC but no Rock River?! Then why the hell should I buy the LEGP?
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:23:27 PM EDT
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Rock River Arms is good, too.
Maybe: A rmalite B ushmaster C olt D PMS R ock River Arms [?] Can't beat a stock NM two-stage trigger |
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Posted: 6/8/2001 8:35:48 PM EDT
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Read a review on these in Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement - did not get very high marks. The test rifle that Wilson sent to the reviewer had jamming problems. Reply by RYANG: Hey ESP, That rag also called the Carbon-15 "AR-15 Perfection!" Their review is the reason I bought (and now am returning) my POS carbon-15. Don't believe everything you read. Rebuttal by ESP: But I thought that if its in print then it must be the TRUTH ! ! |
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Posted: 6/14/2001 6:13:19 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Read a review on these in Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement - did not get very high marks. The test rifle that Wilson sent to the reviewer had jamming problems. Reply by RYANG: Hey ESP, That rag also called the Carbon-15 "AR-15 Perfection!" Their review is the reason I bought (and now am returning) my POS carbon-15. Don't believe everything you read. Rebuttal by ESP: But I thought that if its in print then it must be the TRUTH ! ! RyanG's Dejected answer to prior rebuttal: You got me! Real world experience is once again trounced by a tired cliche! [;D] |
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Posted: 6/14/2001 7:42:35 PM EDT
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I'll tell my sad Wilson Combat story:
I sent an upper to WC to have their BATF approved Brake perm installed. When they received the upper they called and told my they were swamped with orders and asked if they could subcontract the order to a local gunsmith they said they used often. I gave them the go ahead and they sent my upper to Carter Custom. A couple weeks later I got the upper back. The muzzle brake looks great and was flawlessly installed. but the rear sight was broken and rear sight parts were lost in the process. I'll never know if it was Wilson or Carter Custom that broke the rear sight, but I wont do business with either again. |
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