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Posted: 10/5/2004 8:10:43 AM EDT
www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/10/05/haiti.ap/index.html
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) -- Machete-wielding supporters of ousted President Jean-Bertrand Aristide are turning their wrath on Haiti's demoralized police force, beheading some of their victims in a campaign imitative of the insurgency in Iraq. (longer story at the link) Savages will be savages, regardless of the color of their skin or their religion, apparently |
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maybe the haitian police will use some of those M14s we gave them when Willy was pres to blast these savages.
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Not directed at you, or intended to be a flame, but aren't the vast majority of Haitians Catholic? (Probably not these assholes, but I thought Haiti was pretty much a Catholic country) |
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They claim they are, and they even go to church, but then they go home and practice voodoo anyways. |
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Smae could be said of alot of american "christians" that profess understanding and love and to follow Jesus's teachings. and then cheat on their wives and hit their kids. not a flame, but just saying. |
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Are you perfect? VooDoo is part of their culture and quie spooky too I might add. Do/have you ever sinned? Lusted after a woman other than your significant other? Looked at Porn? AND YOU CALL YOURSELKF A CHRISTIAN/CATHOLIC?!!!!!!!!!!!!! See how easily you comment is turned around. |
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Did we lose sight of the Dane's topic??
besides, looking at your neighbor's wife is a long shot from beheading or murder in general... FMO |
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There is so much voodoo mixed with derivatives of Christianity in that part of the world, I don't know if you can really classify them. Sgtar15 probably comes closest to hitting the nail on the head. Seems more pagan than anything else. I have no desire to go there to find out more. |
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they were prolly immigrants from haiti and just got confused... |
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This photo could be legit but there's something about the M16's and the NCO's stripes that don't look right. If it is legit, that NCO should have been found and tried along with that squad. |
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Is that a tele stock on that Sgt.'s Carbine? Did they have telestocks in Vietnam? |
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Did they have brass deflectors and forward assists? (forgive me if a stupid question, but I know little about vietnam-era M16s) |
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I think fwd assist was the M16A1, which was used in Vietnam. I also think there were telestocks.
Corret me if Im wrong, though |
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xm-177 ...yes to folding stocks and forward assist...don't think they had brass deflectors though.... |
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Yes to telestocks, forward assists, not sure about brass deflectors |
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What about the handguards? I always remember seeing the triangular ones that were smooth |
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Looks to me like those guys had some holes in them already. Probably dead already and didnt feel a thing.
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At least I THINK it's a brass deflector the guy on the right has on the xm-177 - but I could be mistaken |
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Plus - they might just have found decapitated bodies, and taken the picture. Who knows? Even if the picture is correct and from Vietnam, maybe it was taken to document atrocities committed by the V.C. and these guys are just posing with decapitated bodies they found. |
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ear hunts...head hunts...pushed out of helos...shooting anything that moved...it's a war.
charlie did some very bad things. we did them right back. |
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JOJO prolly did it anyway...he's one of those mall ninjas that are so sweet..they flip out and chop peoples heads off...
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I think some japanese soldiers lost their heads, so to speak, in the Pacific in WWII, after the way they treated POWs I can't imagine that they were shocked at the retaliation.
The japanese government still lies about it's behavior in WWII and I think a lot of japanese citizens don't really know much about the truth about what their country did then. |
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Well, it sure beats their old method of execution: Necklacing. Haiti is the most messed up country in this hemisphere. |
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Is "necklacing" the one with the tire? My dad would see those all the time when he worked in Nigeria |
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Yup. Used to be very popular among Aristide backers in Haiti. An extremely gruesome way to die. |
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OOOhhhh...falming tire full of gasoline around the neck....nasty |
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How do you know those troops lopped off their domes ?? I see no knives, swords, machetes. My guess would be they came across this scene and decide to have kodak moment. That headline could just as easily read.....U.S. troops find evidence of VC murders. |
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Wow, I think you guys have lost it!
What is done to a soldier by another soldier in time of war is a tad different than staging an internet show for the media beheading innocent civilians. I'm afraid our history of war crimes pales by a long shot to those of our enemies. One only has to occassionaly read a book or two to know this. Tj BTW, note the picture that the dead were shot and not beheaded live with a dull knife. BTW2, -10 points for NSF for providing aid and comfort to our enemies with his post. |
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Yeah you dopes gotta wake up!! Atrocities do happen in war on both sides!! Many many soldiers came back from nam saying they either witnessed it or actually participated in it. This is truth not propaganda! Does it mean that all in nam did it? NO! But it did happen. It's only because of this Election that the atrocities are being brought up again. With some jackasses saying it never really happened at all. So are all the vets who said they saw these things liars? I'm not talking about just Kerry. But a lot of them, All liars?? Plus remember that The mei-lai Massacre was real. And remember that movie "casualties of war" where they kidnapped and raped that girl? That was'nt hollywood leftist BS, It was based on an actual court martial case. To say that it did'nt happen at all is a pure lie.
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How true, and how sad. |
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As well as saying that they all witnessed it and participated in it, ala John Kerry. Besides, I don't know how John Kerry could have seen that much of the war if even half of what Brain Tracy says is true. |
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Agree with the first point. My guess is the VC were probably killed in combat and were then decapitated by these smiling idiots. (Incidentally, the Sgt. stripes look like legit subdued rank shoulder patches to me.) Disagree with second point. If we can’t face up to own misconduct, then criticizing someone else’s is meaningless. Along the same lines, let me remind our more forgetful members that white Christian (so-called!) members of the Klu Klux Klan went around this country a hundred years or so ago, gleefully lynching blacks and burning down their houses and such. And I’m old enough to remember the bombing of a black church in the south that IIRC left 3 young black girls dead. Long before there was Al Queda, there was the KKK. |
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"There's a time and a place for everything and that's college." Southpark
Denying war crimes by Americans isn't right but bringing them up NOW almost 30 years later in the middle of a terrorist war and national election is simply feeding the fire of the democrats and terrorists. You guys try so damn hard to justify what the terrorist do cause of what happened in history. First it was the Crusades, now the KKK, and Vietnam Vets. Suggest that if you are that sympathetic you go join your brothers in Jihad and kill the infidel! Afterall we did it once and we have a Hollywood movie to prove it. Tj |
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Maybe I missed it, but I haven’t seen a single poster here try to justify terrorist acts. The point – in my view at least – is that terrorist acts are neither new nor limited to any one specific group. No one (including myself) should be allowed to simply pick and choose only those events that support their own argument. |
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First let me apologize for the baiting and compliment you on a calm structured response. You see picking ones subject matter is not only the right of one to do but is how people influence a discussion or opinion. The overt direct approach often yeilds less than the indirect and implication. It's no accident the media chose the prison abuses to blaster or brains for weeks on end nor is it that they play down the kidnappings and beheadings nor is it that the terrorists are now freedom fighters. If the war is wrong, Kerry wins. It's that simple and who gets killed along the way means no nevermind. We can take many lessons from the past and if I learned one thing about Vietnam is how the media twisted the public perception of what was the war and with it came the twisting of who fought the war. I personaly knew and saw a many good man die in that war and you know what? I'm still not use to being associated with baby killers and body mutilators no more than our soldiers now do with prisoner abuses. Both wars were and are so much bigger than a glow stick up the ass or the Mai Lai massacre. In Nam, 58,000 Americans died and over 300,000 were wounded compared to Iraq all of the casualties todate would have been in two bad weeks. Yet, Iraq is not a fight over idealogical principles but for the freedom we all hold so dear. It is against an enemy that is a direct and immediate threat to our love ones. Although I see many similarties to Vietnam this one difference makes all the difference. Yet the trend of public opinion is following the same path. We are in the beginnings of public opinion shifting against the war. The liberals proclaim loudly just as they did in 1967, I'm against the war but not our soldiers. I heard a presidential canidate say, it's the wrong war and heard that before. Soon the rheteric will change to hate and hate knows no bounds. Our soldiers will be next and 30 years from now may be associated with glow sticks up some naked prisoners ass instead of the fight for freedom. By pointing out our mistakes while ignoring our successes, we encourage the process. Tj |
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