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Posted: 10/4/2004 10:26:02 AM EDT
Pics of women and guns and combat gear may be fun to look at, but in reality the battlefield is no place for a woman.
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but is it really a big deal you teach them how to shoot, then if things ever get really bad you have all the soldiers possible.
If we were surrounded by arabs I would want my sister/wife/GF/mom to know how to shoot. |
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But not as infantry soldiers. |
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Fixed it. Just as the battlefield is no place for some men. I can think of a couple women I would rather have watching my back in a firefight over a couple of the guys I know. opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. |
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In Israel the battlefield is everywhere.
I agree I would not want women on the front line if it can be avoided, but they have taken on the entire Middle East at once. It might be necessary to use every resource available, and keep the women trained and ready if a big war happens again. Do they have a problem with hippies burning their draft cards or not enlisting in the military there? |
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Israelis agree. Women don't serve in combat in Israel except as fighter pilots. And only because the supreme court said so. IAF didn't want them.
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Hokie your post is hokey. |
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ouch. |
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LOL |
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Yeah because you need a penis to pull a trigger. It was quite obvious that women couldn't handle it when Russia sent all those female snipers into combat during WW2 and they didn't shoot the living shit out of all those Germans.
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riiight. |
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And you won't find women IDF members in actual combat, either! In the October War in 1973, also known as the Yom Kippur War, there were three IDF female transport drivers who were killed and it almost shut down the State of Israel over the recriminations that its women had been killed in combat. So, if a little nation like Israel, beset upon all sides by its eternal avowed enemies, is loathe to permit women in combat, where could anyone cogently argue for women in combat elsewhere? And yes, there were female snipers, apparently, in the Soviet Army in WWII, but even that may be nothing more than propaganda..... But we are nothing like Stalin's Soviet Union, are we? Eric The(WarIsHell)Hun |
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Different circumstances call for different rules to live by.
Their population is 6.7 million. Not a big pool to pull from. Got it, c_c? |
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13,421 posts since April 2003. You are wasting your youth on the internet. |
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Hey I just made a comment. You can agree or disagree. This is a discussion board after all. |
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There is a difference between Russian women and “suburban” American women. Take a farm girl... Russian or American. Chances are she has killed something, probably many things. She is use to death and a hardness of spirit comes from that. Most likely what she has killed she has eaten within 24 hrs. or seen many things die and done quite a bit of hard manual labor. the closest most "suburban” American women have come to death is when they have to pick a small piece of rib off a raw chicken breast. Death and food come in plastic. Sweat, killing and death are icky things and not suitable for young American ladies. |
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spending an hour a day on here is wasting my life? news to me. i don't think you want to get into this discussion with me clean_cut, as the topics you've started on here over the past 3 months read like some pathetic, made for tv, lifetime movie. |
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One hour a day, huh? I wouldn't know what Lifetime is like. |
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Real life is always stranger than ficton. |
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In my platoon, we have three women. I would take any of these ladies over most of the men I know. We got into firefights and they drove through ambushes and fired back like the rest of us (depending on their job as either gunner or driver) One of our female MPs with the badass name of Crystal, kicked the crap out of an Iraqi cilivian who decided to try and grab her. The guy was crying on the ground like a little baby. She got a couple of good hits on his face with her boot. We thought about arresting him (we ran the police station in Balad helping the Iraqi Police and had free will to arrest anyone) but we decided that having the shit kicked out of him by a five foot blonde named Crystal in front of his friends was punishment enough.
Another one of our females was in the gunners position, behind a MK-19 when they were ambushed (this was a different platoon) An AK round hit her forearm, shattered it, travelled into her upper arm and exited through. Some bone fragments hit her in the cheek. She dropped into the vehicle, yelled "I'm hit", stood back up and returned fire towards the direction the rounds were coming from, holding down the butterfly trigger with one hand. She lost the use of her arm. I read in the Army Times of one female MP who gunned down three to five Iraqis attacking her squad with a SAW. Yeah, women are of no use on the battlefield |
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Riiiiiiight, like there aren't a huge amount of manginas running around here in the states also. Hell, there are a shitload just on this board. Intestinal fortitude depends on the person, not the sex organs. Once again I'm just going to sit here and |
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Ding ding ding! It's amazing how much time people will spend argueing about something that is not an issue. |
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Yeah, well, if you want to see public support for the War in Iraq evaporate like the dew on the lawn this morning, just let 'Crystal' or anyone like her in US uniform get captured, and put on a grainy videotape on her knees in front of a group of masked men. It would undo us to see an American male soldier in that position, but it would KILL us to see an American female soldier in that same condition. Do you doubt that? Then you don't know America. And once that happens, there will be a run on capturing American female soldiers to accomplish on American televisions what our enemies cannot accomplish in the field. Eric The(Realistic)Hun |
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Very, very True!!! I dont obsess over manley looking women anyway. I like my women to vacume while wearing an apron and high heals, just like on "Leave it to Beaver". My wife brings me the paper, and my pipe and slippers as soon as I walk through the door. Barefoot and pregnant! Flame on feminazis!!! |
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Nice assumption Hun. I'm glad you're able to foresee the future of public opinion. I'm sure there is a job in D.C. being made for you right now.
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Tell me what makes you think otherwise. Do you remember how many American POWs were 'rescued' during the current war in Iraq? Do you know when the last American POW was rescued in such manner? Do some homework and get back with me. Eric The(Puzzled)Hun |
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On a more serious note, I fully agree with the Hun! |
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Didn't this already happen during OIF I? The transport column geting ambushed, several soldiers including females captured?
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At what point during your military career did you come to this conclusion? I served with several women that I would gladly go to war with during my short 22+ years. |
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So we should let the enemy dictate who we and who we don't send into battle? And if you guys like it or not, there are thousands of females on the battlefield right now. They might not be in the infantry, but that doesn't matter on the ground in Iraq, they are all in combat. The females in the Military Police, and Intelligence, Truckers, and other MOSs right now are trading fire with the enemy. Instead of dissing them and telling them that they are in a man's role, maybe we should support them. I still stand by my original statement, I would rather stand with the three females that were in my platoon than a lot of people I know, inculding some of the "fighting" men that's over there now (not all of them of course, but I know a select few men and women who I still wonder to this day how they got in the military). And I don't care if the Israelis don't send women into the front, I don't base my opinions regarding our military on what Israel or any other country does. I would rather fight with a female soldier from the US at my side than with a soldier from France or Germany. Crystal and I had also discussed the kidnapping thing while we were over there.. She wasn't going to let herself be captured. No Iraqi was going to take her alive. |
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Post from guardian855 -
No. No more than we let FemiNazis in Congress dictate who should be sent into battle. I am confident to rely on good old American morality.
No one asked me about it. Nor should they have! And no one asked the American people about it either. And they should have!
I haven't heard anyone here 'dissing' them. Have you? If so, please tell us where.
Cool. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
The only reason that Israel is ever brought up in these discussions is because folks mistakenly believe that Israeli women serve in combat. They don't. So, their example is not being used to base anything on, one way or the other. But, I find it very interesting that Israel, which is certainly beset upon all sides by its enemies, does not choose to use 50% of its youth to fight in combat.
Cool, again. Eric The(LaidBack)Hun |
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I suspect there are a few Israeli women who would disagree. And in the end it makes no difference what ANY of us thinks. I see it as them doing what must be done. The suicide bombers (men and women) and other Pali bad guys don't give a shit what gender the Jew they hope to kill is. |
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I think the military is NO PLACE for SOCIAL EXPERIMENTATION. I'd keep this simple. If a woman can pass the EXACT same training requirements and fit tests as are required by men, then let em fight. If a woman can power her way through that, then she can most likely hold her own.
Period. ...which reminds me of another point. Physical limitations aside, women do complicate things however in the military with regards to menstration, pregnancy, and of course the undeniable FACT that women are more emotionally driven then men. There's always exception to every rule, but as a whole, I'd say women would be better suited for things in the military other than front line combat. Unless it's Xena - Warrior Princess. |
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Very well put. |
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yumasun.com/artman/publish/articles/story_12190.shtml |
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Israel is a small country bordered by enemies on all sides. The Israelis have no choice but to use all its resources to its fullest.
Don't let anyone kid you, the Izzy women are tough. Not like 90% of the "give me everything cause I deserve it" women here in the States. I don't think women belong on the front lines either. But the Israeli's really don't have much choice. |
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The female soldier I was talking about that got hit in the arm was Mary Herrera.
The article says she was the M249 gunner, but she actually was behind the Mk-19, we strapped the M249 to the ammo can as a back up weapon. And I believe she was a specialist, not a sergeant at the time. That's cool, I never saw that article. She never came back to the company after they flew her out. |
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But I think you miss the point - Israel does NOT have front line female soldiers! They are used in rear echelon positions, support, transportation....and now in the IAF, although I am not certain how many women have qualified as combat pilots. And understand, the people of Israel did NOT approve the use of their daughters as combat pilots - their Supreme Court mandated it! The Israelis would never have approved it. Eric The(ZionistAtHeart)Hun |
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Only because Suck it up bitches, vaginas are in the sandbox. |
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Please.
99.999999% of women can't even LOAD a Mk19 or a .50 cal. Why make the effort to find that rare one that can? What's the payoff from such a search? A lone female who can barely do the job that most men do with ease? My Company Gunny was in Kosovo, in 2002. Female soldier, up in the ring-mount, "manning" the Mk19 rolled up. He asked to see if she could load the weapon... She could not. She didn't have the strength to pull back the charging handles. Nope. Why was she there, if she couldn't do her job? Even if she could do her job, why was she there? Not to help achieve victory. There is absolutely NO benefit to having females in combat. There is no shortage of men. It's all a big lie. |
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You mean ROSIE is gonna take on MALE CHARACTERISTICS?!?!?!?! I only have two words to offer up in the un-ending debate of U.S. female troops in combat. "Jessica Lynch" (ok... I can't say it in 2 words...) Look at how this country fawned over this bleeder because she was taken POW, and then heaped the praise and medals on her for the actions of another, MALE soldier!! It was an insult to every MAN who has ever served in combat. (One of which, I am NOT). Women have their place in society. Just like men have their place. Wealthy people have their place. Poor people have their place. The Clergy have their place. School teachers theirs. Police, firefighters, postal workers, truckers, Legislators. waitresses, et al. THIS FUCKIN SOCIETY HAS BEEN DRAGGED DOWN THE DRAIN BY PEOPLE INSISTING THEY ARE BETTER THAN THEY ARE, SIMPLY TO "FEEL GOOD". QUALIFY YOURSELF, BY EDUCATION, AND JOB EXPERIENCE AND BETTER YOUR LOT IN LIFE. BUT THE FACT THAT A WOMAN CAN HOLD A RIFLE = WORTHY TO SERVE ON THE FRONT LINES IS THE SAME AS A TEACHER TELLING ME I MUST LOCK MY GUNS UP AT HOME, BECAUSE JOHNNY TALKS ABOUT THEM IN SCHOOL AND IT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT OR LIFE VIEWS THEY WISH TO INSTILL IN THEIR STUDENTS!!! |
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