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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:37:42 PM EDT
 www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_m468.htm Specifications - Caliber 6.8 Remington SPC - Operation Semi-Automatic, Gas Operated - Barrel Length 16 in. (Chrome Lined) - Rifle Weight 7.3 lbs. - Overall Length 35.4 in Features and Accessories ·Dual Spring Extractor System ·Muzzle Brake ·Folding Front Sight and Gas Block ·30 Round Magazine ·Two-Stage Trigger ·Law Enforcement and Military Configurations Available ·ARMS® Selective Integrated Rail (SIR) System Fore End ·ARMS® Folding Rear Sight - Retail Price $2,535 - Upper Conversion Kit Price $1,494 The Barrett M468 leaves the performance of the 5.56mm for others to ponder. The M468 can be utilized by law enforcement, military, and civilian shooters. The performance of the 6.8 Remington SPC far surpasses that of the 5.56 mm. This opens new hunting opportunities in states where the 5.56 is too small for larger game. Complete rifles or the upper conversion units are available. Anyone have one or shot one? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:38:54 PM EDT
[#1]
I ran a couple hundred rounds through 4 or 5 of them at SHOT 2004. I would like to have one.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:39:47 PM EDT
[#2]
No...but I want one now.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:40:48 PM EDT
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How would you compare it to a .308 AR10? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:41:38 PM EDT
[#4]
I have never fired an AR10, so i cannot compare th two. sorry. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:48:09 PM EDT
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From a purely aesthetic point of view, I do not like the free floating rail system on those. I would want one without that, were I ever to buy one. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:53:03 PM EDT
[#6]
Cover panels. 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:56:00 PM EDT
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How about a simple A3 upper with a 16" barrel. No bells or whistles.... I'd rather have stainless than chrome.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:00:51 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a actual pic of a 6.8 round. Im curious to see what it looks like.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:03:38 PM EDT
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Well, I have a 6.8 upper. But NO DAMN AMMO.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:04:27 PM EDT
[#10]
Did anyone ever figure out the mag situation?
How many rounds can the .223 mags be made to hold and still allow reliable operation of the weapon? Are there going to be hi-caps available for civvies? Without a good supply of hi-caps, I just don't see this ever becoming a commercial success. Mil or LE, maybe, but even then only for small groups. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:05:01 PM EDT
[#11]
I like the way the "LE" version looks better.
I want it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:07:03 PM EDT
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It will be a consideration when mags and ammo become more available.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:07:25 PM EDT
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Way too expensive.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:07:36 PM EDT
[#14]
Vaporware.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:07:57 PM EDT
[#15]
Bravo Company has bare-bones (though still nice and accurate) uppers for a LOT less:
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=221874 I'm thinking of getting one of the 20" ones - and eventually swapping out some components as time and $$ permit. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:10:28 PM EDT
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Also, if the 6.8 is still under .30 cal., wouldn't that still be illegal for hunting bigger game animals in some places?
Never mind my stupid questions if you want to, I'll never be able to own one in CA regardless. I couod buy the upper, I assume, but the mags kill the deal unless they make 10 rounders...  ETA: Mags are available here... Steel 10 rounders, $41 each... 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:15:38 PM EDT
[#17]
Interesting, but I think I'm going to go with the AR10
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:17:05 PM EDT
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Is it just me or are they charging over a grand for a complete lower?
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:20:37 PM EDT
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Naa... Most places with restrictions say the caliber has to be .243 (6mm) or larger. Kent |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:23:52 PM EDT
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PRI makes 10 round mags, and hicaps too. They are pricey, One 10-Rounder cost me over $40.00 delivered.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:24:50 PM EDT
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I've been waiting for them to become available on the retail market. I want one...
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:26:44 PM EDT
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Thats what it looks like. Way overpriced IMO.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:35:54 PM EDT
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That is a big reason that I'm thinking of the 10. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:35:58 PM EDT
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Even if you knock off the 400 dollar SIR, that's still a grand for the upper. I want one, but an AR10 is a great bargain by comparison. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:36:45 PM EDT
[#25]
You guys REALLY should visit HERE more often.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:39:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:43:00 PM EDT
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I'll take a Bushy .308 AR instead. Tens of millions of FAL mags around, and ambi controls. Not to mention .308 ammo is literally everywhere.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:50:04 PM EDT
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I don't really have a problem with the price of the upper, but the lower costs $1,000. Even if it has a two-stage trigger similar to the KAC, it is still overpriced by $450-$500. www.Model1Sales.com also sells a 6.8SPC upper, for around $400. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:51:20 PM EDT
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I have a m1s car upper and have shot it quite a few times working up loads
It shoots just like any other AR no more recoil than the 5.56 just bigger holes Don't wait for ammo-reload It is a 270 cal round about 1/2 the way between 5.56 and 308 |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:02:06 PM EDT
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·Dual Spring Extractor System ·Muzzle Brake ·Folding Front Sight and Gas Block ·30 Round Magazine ·Two-Stage Trigger ·Law Enforcement and Military Configurations Available ·ARMS® Selective Integrated Rail (SIR) System Fore End ·ARMS® Folding Rear Sight |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:03:53 PM EDT
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Yes they are, complete rifle is $2,500.00. But honestly what does a SR25 go for? Not every AR costs under $1,000.00 |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:06:46 PM EDT
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I had MSTN build me a COMPLETELY CUSTOM 6.8 SPC for $900 less than what Barrett charges for their standard setup.
I would look at MSTN again instead of the Barrett. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:11:08 PM EDT
[#33]
I don't mind giving Ronnie some money. Plus I'm sure they build a hellova rifle. Just curious about performance. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:07:13 PM EDT
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For the cost of that upper, I could get a complete DPMS AR10 in 7.62x51. Another alternative would be to get an OLY .243 WSSM upper that lists for $672. http://www.olyarms.com/usa.html
Winchester just introduced the 25 WSSM in the same case size that duplicates the .25-06 which is no slouch. http://www.winchester.com/marketing/newitems/whatsnewcontent.aspx?productid=17 Hopefully, Winchester will keep scaling the WSSM family up so that we get 6.5~>7mm members.  A 264 WSSM that is actually on the shelf, will blow away the Keyboard Kommando's 6.8SPC vapourwarez. I'm going to sit this one out for a couple of months to see what shakes out. But I am seriously looking at a 25WSSM upper, but hoping for a 264WSSM to appear. My 2¢, wganz ¶ |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 8:05:50 PM EDT
[#35]
Good grief what a stupid argument. You could probably get 1,000 Lorcins too. 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 8:37:57 PM EDT
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I've got about 500-600 rounds through my MSTN upper. It has much less recoil than an AR10. A 18" 6.8SPC with a brake feels kind of like a 16" 5.56 with a plain muzzle.
If you're in Northern Colorado and want to shoot one, send me some email. -z |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 8:40:43 PM EDT
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[size six]ROAD TRIP!![/size six] I am waiting for a 6.8mm MRP. LMT says they will be available when ammo is readily available, which is perfect timing! |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 8:46:22 PM EDT
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Uh Oh, I better start loading NOW! The irony of what LMT said is that it could mean 1 month, 9 months, or never. -z ETF: speeling |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 8:48:16 PM EDT
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Yeah, If I have to wait too long I will buy the MRP and the bolt, then have the barrel re bored down at Olympic Arms. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 8:51:18 PM EDT
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Unless the ammo is processed in military volumes, I would bet it compares to the .308 by being a much more expensive cartridge that has a very inferior range and balistics at 800+ meters. Designer cartridges. Kinda like all of those WSSM thingees.  Just wear your old dress. Get some new shoes. You will still get some pie. 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 9:16:12 PM EDT
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Just how often do you think riflemen (who are not snipers with specialized equipment) engage targets with their rifles at 800+m? Ballistically, the 6.8mm SPC would be less effective at that range than a .308, but not significantly so, as the .308 won't be doing all that much at that range either. The primary domain of a combat rifle is 0-200m. With a 6.8mm SPC, you are genuinely effective to 600+m, which is PLENTY of overkill. BTW, that's pretty much where I'd place an AR10 or other .308 battle rifle as well (around 600m effective range). Nothing wrong with that, as that's more than enough range to get the job done 90% of the time, and for the rest, you have artillery and airstrikes. -Troy |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 9:20:10 PM EDT
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Unlikely, as .270 and .243 are legal pretty much everywhere... But why buy a non-general-issue, rare cartridge anyway? 9mm 5.56 .308 .50BMG Who needs anything else? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:32:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2004 7:06:31 AM EDT
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I saw that, and wonder who is making the OEM mags. Barrett? Are the PRI mags aftermarket? I'm wondering about the commercial/civilian market and the viability of this weapon system... .gov and .mil will always get what it needs, at least for the high speed boyz. Even still, can it ever completely replace the 5.56 AR system? Do you think this weapons system will ever gain enough momentum among civvies and achieve adequate sales volume so these can come down in cost to near 5.56 AR15 levels? Ignoring the dumb state laws prohibiting hi-cap mags for a moment, how long before there are enough mags in the system to approach the price points we are seeing 5.56 AR stuff at? Or will this always be a specialized weapons system- i.e., stays at low volume, high cost? |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 7:35:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2004 7:37:18 AM EDT
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15 and 25 rounds mags from PRI currently cost about $38. If you look at the manufacturing steps required vs. USGI mags, you can see why they will be inherently more expensive. They are steel with flat-ground welds, instead of overlapping spot welds like USGI mags have.
If you look at 6.8 like "308 that fits in an M4 / AR15", the costs are not out of line with AR10 or M1A components. If appreciable numbers of LE departments adopt it, the adoption / cost model could look like 40SW: 15 years after introduction, once-fired brass is essentially "free" and cases of new commercial loaded ammo are available from many sources. -z |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:23:18 PM EDT
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Hmmm.. Let me get this straight. It is dumb to get a complete rifle for $1000 that does have ammo available and is sub MOA capable, but it is smart to get an upper for 50% more that doesn't have ammo available for it. It is dumb to get an upper for $672 that does have ammo available and is sub MOA capable, but it is smart to get an upper for 100% more that doesn't have ammo available for it. BTW, when I was at the local fun shop this weekend, they had .243 WSSM on the shelf and they didn't have 6.8SPC. Hey, if you want to slap down those Uncle Bens for a safe queen upper in the vapourware caliber of your choice; this is America and you can do it. Personally, I'm either going with the DPMS AR10 or wait to see if OLY brings out an upper in 25WSSM that ballistically exceeds my .257 Roberts. Either way, there is ammo available for either one. wganz ¶ P.S. I was actually thinking of getting a boat load of Kal-Tecs for that much $.
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Posted: 9/29/2004 7:27:47 PM EDT
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No. If your argument was based upon availability of ammo and such then that is fine. But if it was based upon how many cheap guns you can get for the same price (and that is how I took it) then it is a stupid argument. |
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