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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:48:35 AM EDT
This sceanrio definitely illicits an emotional response. If this link is a CC violation, I don't mind it being removed.
www.dvc.org.uk/~johnny/dunblane/dream.html 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:55:31 AM EDT
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Thats just messed up
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:55:58 AM EDT
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The first quote or the 2nd?
I think the 2nd quote means that from time to time, good men must die to remind outselves of our freedom, ie not to take freedom for granted. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:01:55 AM EDT
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Very plausible.
It's a wonder that no one has started anything like this. Not from our side, mind you, but from the other. You know, the 'Blue' States.  Eric The(CivilWarII)Hun 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:04:00 AM EDT
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Do you think its a CC violation?
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:06:22 AM EDT
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I don't understand, is this the outline for some novel?
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:09:53 AM EDT
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Me? No. No one here is advocating the violent overthrow of the Republic that was founded by our forefathers. But I'm always careful to parse my words. Eric The(Meaningful)Hun
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:10:28 AM EDT
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ah...more fantasy from the criminally insane calling for revolution, murder, terrorism and the overthrow of the government.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:19:27 AM EDT
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It is still too early for the tinfoil hat.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:20:57 AM EDT
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It would work…it appears to have been very well thought out and considered. Whoever wrote this clearly had enough knowledge to work out how to use the various atrocities to push all the buttons… Police, transportation, IRS, Waco… yep he has worked out all the incidents needed to stir up all the Survivalists, tin foilers and far right wingers into action… more importatntly, he has considered a progressive ratcheting up of the violence so as to keep the public and authorities off balance.
these acts would require the Government to react against people who almost certainly had nothing to do with the attacks. This would then start them off retaliating as they would consider themselves under attack by the Government. I would imagine after the first two weks he and his small band could just sit back and watch everybody else carrying it on without them. If that started happening you would have a 'meltdown' in three weeks… Andy |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:24:45 AM EDT
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Tom Clancy is behind this, I just know it.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:25:30 AM EDT
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"A Few Good Men"?
i don't see anything good in that. i don't see any good men destroying the physical infrastructure we all paid for and rely on for making our livings. granted there are a few bureaucrats that need to be unelected or fired - but when some one starts blowing up things and poisoning things in a way that kills innocents, they aren't a few good men. maybe he meant good as in "good at what they do", not as in morally good. funny how it was the islamic extremists who started the ball rolling but quickly switched to indigenous "freedom loving" groups doing a lot of damage and claiming credit. like ETH, suprised we have not already seen some of this - probably will in some fashion. better to learn to be somewhat self sufficient and able to get along. those who are helpless without power and the latest technology (aside from those who need it medically to survive) will be lost for awhile - until they wise up. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:34:12 AM EDT
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I think this is the 'clever' bit of this 'plan'. Almost certainly it would have nothing to do with the Arabs or anybody else… you just carry out the attack and claim that it was carried out by whatever group you choose to make up… it's classic SOF tactics, assassinate or bomb and claim a local group was behind it. The group does not exist but the Government will round up people it 'thinks' are in this group. Smoke and Mirrors of the best kind. Andy |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:37:19 AM EDT
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Terrorists are terrorists no matter where they were born. If I were able to predict any one of the scenario's outlined in this trash someone (domestic terrorist) is going to catch a 223 round between their eyes. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:42:04 AM EDT
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Still a believer? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:48:47 AM EDT
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It would work?
no. it would not. it appears to have been very well thought out and considered. no. it appears delusional, overly optimistic and from the mind of a mad man. Whoever wrote this clearly had enough knowledge to work out how to use the various atrocities to push all the buttons? Police, transportation, IRS, Waco? yep he has worked out all the incidents needed to stir up all the Survivalists, tin foilers and far right wingers into action? more importatntly, he has considered a progressive ratcheting up of the violence so as to keep the public and authorities off balance. and whoever created this drivel clearly has no clue as to the reaction it would generate. these acts would require the Government to react against people who almost certainly had nothing to do with the attacks. This would then start them off retaliating as they would consider themselves under attack by the Government. retaliating? against the murdering terrorists...yes. do you remember a guy named tim mcveigh? most of us do not think any more of him than lon horiuchi. a criminal is a criminal, regardless of the patch on his uniform. I would imagine after the first two weks he and his small band could just sit back and watch everybody else carrying it on without them. that is the wet dream of overweight, toothless militia commandos practicing 'rebellion drills' in the deep woods with their sks and makarov. in reality, the clumsy oafs would be behind bars in a matter of months. like eric rudolph, they would hide from the light of day and eat out of trash dumpsters. If that started happening you would have a 'meltdown' in three weeks? america has weathered several rounds with the anarchists in two centuries...one even killed one of our presidents, william mckinley. we have survived the communists and socialists. for decades. we have survived the students for a democratic society. the weather underground. the black panthers. the symbionese liberation army. the aryan nation. white sumpremicists and separatists. and a host of 'organizations' hell bent on wrecking havoc upon our country. we survived rebellion from england and that nasty little tif in 1812 in which you sacked and burned our capitol. hell...we even survived a civil war in which we tried to anihilate ourselves. rest assured, andy...we WILL survive any paranoid scenario cut and pasted in a lightly edited form from "unintended consequences". |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:49:17 AM EDT
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That is disgusting.
Whoever wrote that is pathetic. DId you notice that in each instance whoever was arrested was never convicted, or even tried in court?? What a bunch of bullshit. I hate people who write shit like this. I hate the fact that they live in America. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:50:39 AM EDT
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Thank god for assholes like the guy who wrote that piece. We can't appreciate enough the free inspiration their demented ramblings give to actual terrorists. I feel sick after reading his webpage.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:51:17 AM EDT
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Well said CampyBob.
Thank you. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:57:48 AM EDT
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In this case, they apparently don't....it's from a UK website. Pretty sick stuff.....he conveniently forgets to mention about the anarchy that would rule afterwards. And with all of the terrorist groups operating in his scenario, I sincerely doubt they would ever agree on any form of government necessary to operate the infrastructure. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:09:24 AM EDT
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Or the good citizens would turn 'em in, and they'd all be dead or wearing orange on the evening news... Most of us LIKE our government more than the future that sort of thing would create... Especially since a 'meltdown' generally turns into a dictatorship, and for all the Fed's faults, rule by Sir Tinfoler The Great would be far worse... But wait... It should be YOUR govt he's talking about, as it's run from YOUR side of the pond... |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:12:05 AM EDT
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My, my, 'operate the infrastructure'?
What if the 'infrastructure' could not be made to operate again? I wonder what the Ancient Romans thought when they first heard of the German tribes that were fleeing across the Danube into Roman territories to escape from the path of the Huns? 'Nothing more will come of it'? What in God's green earth would make you think that American Civilization is impervious to waves of immigrants who have nothing in common with the waves of immigrants before them? Things change. Countries change. People change. History doesn't. And it is littered with displays, sample boxes, catalogues, and index cards concerning civilizations long gone which were far more mature than our present American Civilization. Eric The(OnlyTheDeadRemainTheSame)Hun
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:17:27 AM EDT
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The article's scenario was overly optomistic and fantastically inept, but ETH is right on the money as usual.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:19:57 AM EDT
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Never happen. Internet fantasy written by someone who wouldn't have the balls to stop and help and elderly person change a tire after dark - much less have the ability or opportunity to sexually mutilate a US Marshal.
Glad to see it's not a CoC violation and that we can discuss it - but - this kind of tripe makes gun owners look bad. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:22:23 AM EDT
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Now that is very well thoughtout and well said Campy! |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:22:26 AM EDT
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I certainly hope your right!… but you have to agree, this scenario relies more on percieved fear than actual action… look at how the public reacted after flight 587 went down on November 12… fear, real deep fear. To this day many believe that the Government deemed it an 'accident' to protect the publics moral Terrorists now can use just fear itself after 9/11, we have seen how far they 'can' ratchet up the violence, so even a small attack can cause a major panic. If somebody walked into a bus depot in a major city and dropped a 1lb C4 nailbomb into a trash can and walked away it would kill maybe a handful of people but the whole bus network nationwide would freeze instantly even without a phone call saying there were more. It's asymetric warfare at it's most deadly… fortunately we have been able to stop it happening… so far. Andy |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:24:25 AM EDT
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 I do not, in any way, support the article, or whatever it is. But folks, consider that our nations Founding Fathers were also "terrorists, anarchists, etc" Many people think the U.S. Gov't is tyrannical, Timothy McVeigh for example. Most rational folks would hold that a Gov't cannot be tyrannical as long as the popluation is armed. I submit, that if a person is motivated to actually commit an act of violence against their Gov't, then to them, the Gov't has become as such. Now, as Mr. McVeigh learned, if you are gonna rise up against a Government, you better win. Otherwise, they will. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:24:51 AM EDT
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vito, is your sigline supposed to be Koran verse 9:11? If so, it is fake.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:26:26 AM EDT
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Smells the same as the Turner Diaries
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:33:58 AM EDT
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It is… I've managed to get hold of the book you recommended to … Atlas Shrugged Andy |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:35:29 AM EDT
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What in God's green earth would make you think that American Civilization is impervious to waves of immigrants who have nothing in common with the waves of immigrants before them?
you mean, like the chinese that built our railroads? i don't think a chinaman had much in common with, oh...say...george washington. or the nearly 4 million black african slaves we imported against an 'american' population of 'what'? what did they have in common with ben franklin? or the hutterites, amish, zoarites and menonites that stayed apart from us and still speak german in their homes and classrooms? they deliberately minimize commonality with der english. 'who' are these 'waves' and where are they coming from? mexicans? Things change. Countries change. People change. agreed. but, change is not necessarilly destruction. america has "changed" since the very first day a white man from europe set foot on the continent. just ask the indians/aboriginal peoples/insert tribal name or politically correct term here if that isn't so. you think immigrants can do what the mighty army of northern virginia could not? what stalin failed miserably at? what mao died leaving unaccomplished? pfffftttt! |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:38:04 AM EDT
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What complete Tripe... a bunch of internet armchair commandos are going to pull this off and nobody is ever captured or killed in the process... righttttttt!
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:41:41 AM EDT
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Ozymandias I met a traveler from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read, Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed, And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings: Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away. -Percy Bysshe Shelley 1792-1822 History is not mocked. The United States has indeed survived many a brush with death...but with each meeting, has it not come away changed? And not always changed for the better. How many more such encounters will it take, before the Face of America looks nothing as our Founding Fathers intended? As IF the Founding Fathers would recognize the Republic they founded TODAY! Eric The(HistoryIsABitch,ACruelBitch)Hun
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:44:49 AM EDT
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Have you guys looked at the main site. Apparently the format like mine here is a college or higher ed. insitution (denoting the ~johnny) - on his homepage among the other various crap is the following link: Including the British Home Office's `proof' that guns cause crime. Do you know enough psychology and statistics to see what's propaganda and what's science? www.dvc.org.uk/~johnny/dunblane/ |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:47:23 AM EDT
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I was merely pointing out, as someone who has lived with actual terroism via the IRA for 30+ years, that this sort of action can be very effective… the history of the troubles in Northern Ireland showed that the 'fear' of bombs on the mainland far outweighed the likelyhood of them happening, yet when they did they had a fear factor far outweighing their actual effect But we still do not have any trash cans in Stations or airports 25 years later… 'just incase' BTW… his site, if you look closely is very pro gun, and the article has clearly originated in the US @ 1997… probably from a far right website. Andy |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:47:39 AM EDT
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History is not mocked.
perhaps not, but it is revised every day on this forum by those with an agenda. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:59:06 AM EDT
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He surely didn't, did he?
Other than the fact that good Ben Franklin once owned a slave, nothing at all.
Yes, they are a force to be reckoned with, indeed.
I have no clue.
Nope. Not around here. There is no Aztlan. There is no Reconquista. Nothing like that exists.
Then, at least in the historical case that you cited, 'change' did indeed mean 'destruction.' Ask any Sioux you happen to meet.
I did not think that the war aim of the 'mighty' Army of Northern Virginia was the destruction of the United States. But History is replete with instances wherein a great nation was attacked again and again without success, only to fall later to even less 'mighty' opponents. Consider Rome, f'rinstance.
Great examples, but had utter destruction of the United States been all that either Stalin or Mao wished, they could have accomplished that easy enough...at the cost of their own kingdoms.
Excuse you! Eric The(EndOfHistory..Pshaw!)Hun
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:02:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:07:15 AM EDT
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I had to order it from the States via Amazon, it was not available over here. It was out of stock and just arrived yesterday… a long wait @ 7 weeks. Andy |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:11:04 AM EDT
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yeah ... like shit. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:12:23 AM EDT
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That whole story depends too much on teh American people doing something they have never done in the past, behave in a predictable manor.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:12:29 AM EDT
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eth, your replies leave me still unconcerned about the prospects of either delusional, lunatic 'patriots' or immigrants that 'suddenly' have nothing in common with what you define as america. i am equally unconcerned with shrill harbingers of gloom and doom that portend the skills of prognostication.
you say "reconquista"... i say "repatriacion". so far, there is still an america standing. i'm betting it will still be standing long after you and i are cold in the ground. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:12:45 AM EDT
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We are so far beyond 'Atlas Shrugged' I cannot imagine anyone still reading it!
BTW, I never liked Ayn Rand in the least. Eric The(StirringTheShiite)Hun
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:13:21 AM EDT
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Recommendations: Everytime you see 'Who is John Galt?', write down the meaning of the question at that point. Then when you finish the book, see how it has evolved. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:14:41 AM EDT
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ETA - how do you feel about Dagny? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:15:00 AM EDT
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Holy shit. You're saying it took you 7 weeks to track down a copy of Atlas |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:22:54 AM EDT
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As I say, I wonder what the Ancient Romans thought at this point in their history?
I don't say it. The fact that California was, at one very recent time, a 'safe' Republican State, and is now firmly tucked into the 'Blue States' column, says it all!
Say it all you wish, it will still never happen.
Great! The Republic of Rome was still standing in 407 AD. And, just as the Republic of Rome in 407 AD was nothing like the Republic of Rome in 150 BC, the United States of America of 2004 is nothing like the United States of America in 1790. Some things have changed for the better, but most have not.
It may still be standing when our granchildren are lying in the cold ground beside us, but what will it look like? What will it stand for? Will it even bear a remote resemblance to what we knew it as? There is a slide towards destruction that has begun, and I can see no forces that are present that can stop this slide. Except for One. Eric The(Unacceptable)Hun
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:33:53 AM EDT
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And what would we think of McVeigh had he been executed for executing Horiuchi, rather than for a botched bombing that killed little kids? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:36:40 AM EDT
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I would keep my big trap shut. 'There is no such thing as a deaf mute in prison.' Eric The(WiseBeyondHisEars)Hun
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