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I'm not talking about BEFORE THE WAR! Before the war the US was a pretty primative country, without the population or position to require the size/scope of government we have today.
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Before the war, the US gov't had for the most part only the powers the CS gov't had while it lasted. The "good things" you specified in your initial post are post-CW developments. Therefore, you are saying that the US before the civil war was a shithole. You think that the US gov't before the civil war was more oppressive than it is now. That is stupidity walking.
I'm saying NOW! I'm saying look at the laws you have the most trouble with, and for most people you will see that your STATE government is the worse of the two.
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That is a statement of unfathomable stupidity. Alternatively, your $75 occupational license represents the most annoying contact you have with government, in which case you are a victim of parochialism and ignorance rather than stupidity - and I apologize. Get a newspaper subscription. Citizens are now registered with the government via Social Security, the income tax, and other novel programs. Economic activity is now tracked via various "anti-money-laudering" laws. It is effectively impossible to live an anonymous law-abiding life, which was the norm before the CW (and more especially before FDR's 2d term).
I'm saying that if it wern't for the FEDS you would have LESS rights, not more, as there are (fortunately) some things that the Feds won't let the STATES screw up...
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True, if you're black; otherwise nonsense nonpareil.
BASICALLY, THE POINT IS THAT BASED ON WHAT STATE GOVERNMENTS HAVE BECOME, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE RESTRAINED BY THE FEDS IS A GOOD THING, AND THE CSA/STATES-AS-SOVREIGN-GOVTS SCENARIO WOULD HAVE CREATED A MONSTER BY THIS TIME, HAD IT NOT BEEN DESTROYED! Copy?
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I copy the fact that you apply neither thought nor research to your posts. Please specifiy the state intrusions on individual liberties which have been restrained by federal powers acquired after the CW. Leave out race-related state action (including segregation, racially-enforced gun control laws, miscegenation laws, etc., all of which could have been eradicated by constitutional amendments which did not give the federal octopus the murderous power it now exercises).
Again, specify the state intrusions on individual rights which were ended by the application of post-CW federal powers. Then compare and contrast those intrusions (if you find any) with current federal intrusions on individual liberties made possible by the post-CW ascendancy of the federal government.
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Ok:
1) Pre-14th,, the 4th & 5th Ammendments only applied to the Federal government.
2) My point was not focused on the Federal restraint of state violations, but rather that
the most significant violations of my rights are committed by state government, and this is a trend nationwide.The Federal government does not tell me where I can carry my weapons, and how I must transport them. They do not make me wait 2 days to pick up a postol I purchased. And we're a 'good' state, with a state RKBA ammendment, and all... Oh yeah, WI is a tax-hell, too...
The Federal Government does not tell Californians that they cannot own AR-15s, or prohibit the folks in Illinois from owning machineguns, short longarms, & sound supressors, and make them register as gun owners & pay for a 'FOID'...
In fact, Federal law enforcement has minimal interaction with most citizens, as 99% of the restrictive laws on the books are STATE law.
My point is that these infringements would be WORSE under a CSA-style arrangement... That's all...
The fact that the Federal government requires certain minimal standards of criminal procedure thru the 14th that were not previously applicable to the states pre-CW is a sidenote, the main point (As stated above) is that STATE GOVERNMENTS are inherantly more opressive than the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, and thus the CSA would have been worse...